SSN: "Downing won't commit to Villa"

[oldtimernow]

Welcome to you too.......please tread carefully around here when making strong comments to fellow posters.

I think SD has decided he's going and we realistically don't have much chance of keeping him, I think its just about maximising the upside for us.

Plus I was never a fan of the faint hearted lion

[pablopicasso_10]

Stewie is average to be brutally honest. We could replace him with an overseas winger as good or better for a fraction of what Liverpool will fork out for DJ Stew. Get rid, and quick, so we can get about our business.

Throwing in the towel already? Strange how a player becomes more and more average in the mind of some the closer said player moves towards the exit door.

Downing will be a loss. Just like Young. Why mug yourself off by making stupid comments like that?

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

[byrnes collar bone]

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

Downing was unlucky enough to be signed during a period when you were all expecting Sneijder and god knows who else. The summer of 2009 was a crazy time for Villa fans and poor Downing has obviously born the brunt of your delusions in the two seasons since.

He shouldn't make the Liverpool first eleven in the manner he does Aston Villas but he'll be handy to have around. What say you to £10 million? A fair sum for a fair player. No more, no less. 

[hartman_1982]

Yeah those two Wembley trips in 2010 were really hard to bare. Poor Stewart!

[KevinGage]

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

Downing was unlucky enough to be signed during a period when you were all expecting Sneijder and god knows who else. The summer of 2009 was a crazy time for Villa fans and poor Downing has obviously born the brunt of your delusions in the two seasons since.

He shouldn't make the Liverpool first eleven in the manner he does Aston Villas but he'll be handy to have around. What say you to £10 million? A fair sum for a fair player. No more, no less. 

Aye, I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpoor try and play poormouth on this one again, as per the Barry deal. The smallest big club in the land.

And the irony of a Liverpool fan talking about delusional behaviour. I'd guess you'd be experts mind.

[Eigentor]

Let him be. We also had a time when we thought our owner could afford a perpetual spending spree, that our manager was the Messiah, and that it only was a question of time before we were in the Champions League. Granted, we were nowhere near as smug about it, but it would be cruel to wake him up from his dream when it has just started.

[Redman]

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

Downing was unlucky enough to be signed during a period when you were all expecting Sneijder and god knows who else. The summer of 2009 was a crazy time for Villa fans and poor Downing has obviously born the brunt of your delusions in the two seasons since.

He shouldn't make the Liverpool first eleven in the manner he does Aston Villas but he'll be handy to have around. What say you to £10 million? A fair sum for a fair player. No more, no less. 

Aye, I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpoor try and play poormouth on this one again, as per the Barry deal. The smallest big club in the land.

And the irony of a Liverpool fan talking about delusional behaviour. I'd guess you'd be experts mind.

Hypocritical post, that. All Liverpool are looking for is value for money. To read more into it than that is delusional.

The only way to overcome delusion is to accept all football supporters are essentially the same. We just have different allegiances and we're all as deluded as each other.

[Eigentor]

Fair point, but actions speak louder than words. Liverpool have shown a willingness to spend over the odds earlier for players that aren't for sale. Downing isn't for sale. Why shouldn't we expect you to overpay this time? We don't need to sell Downing.

[Redman]

Fair point, but actions speak louder than words. Liverpool have shown a willingness to spend over the odds earlier for players that aren't for sale. Downing isn't for sale. Why shouldn't we expect you to overpay this time? We don't need to sell Downing.

You shouldn't expect us to because of Downing's age and future resale value. Otherwise, I agree. He's under contract and you are within your rights to price him out of a deal.

[Nev]

Stewie is average to be brutally honest. We could replace him with an overseas winger as good or better for a fraction of what Liverpool will fork out for DJ Stew. Get rid, and quick, so we can get about our business.

Throwing in the towel already? Strange how a player becomes more and more average in the mind of some the closer said player moves towards the exit door.

Downing will be a loss. Just like Young. Why mug yourself off by making stupid comments like that?

Why make yourself look stupid by sounding like Ian Wright?

[Eigentor]

Fair point, but actions speak louder than words. Liverpool have shown a willingness to spend over the odds earlier for players that aren't for sale. Downing isn't for sale. Why shouldn't we expect you to overpay this time? We don't need to sell Downing.

You shouldn't expect us to because of Downing's age and future resale value. Otherwise, I agree. He's under contract and you are within your rights to price him out of a deal.

I think this is the crux of the matter. You see Downing as a useful addition, but by no means essential and have no problems moving on to other targets if our asking price is too high. However, we have already sold Young, made a controversiel manager appointment and can only defend selling Downing if we get an inflated fee.

What complicates matters is that Downing's head is turned. However, unless he puts in a transfer request I don't think that'll make a difference.

[KevinGage]

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

Downing was unlucky enough to be signed during a period when you were all expecting Sneijder and god knows who else. The summer of 2009 was a crazy time for Villa fans and poor Downing has obviously born the brunt of your delusions in the two seasons since.

He shouldn't make the Liverpool first eleven in the manner he does Aston Villas but he'll be handy to have around. What say you to £10 million? A fair sum for a fair player. No more, no less. 

Aye, I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpoor try and play poormouth on this one again, as per the Barry deal. The smallest big club in the land.

And the irony of a Liverpool fan talking about delusional behaviour. I'd guess you'd be experts mind.

Hypocritical post, that. All Liverpool are looking for is value for money. To read more into it than that is delusional.

The only way to overcome delusion is to accept all football supporters are essentially the same. We just have different allegiances and we're all as deluded as each other.

It was the dreg you no doubt introduced to the thread who mentioned the d word, but no matter.

On a wider point:

Is anyone else getting a wee bit bored of Liverpool fans telling us what we should and shouldn't accept? Definitely shades of deja vu with the Barry deal there.

I'm trying to think of all the various players we've signed in previous years -plenty of them for big fees. Did any of our lot go on opposition websites, in the mistaken belief we could get the price down? As if we were agents of the club in some way? Is that how it works?  It seems to be a peculiar trait specific to the bindippers,  as I don't recall fans of other clubs coming on here (or other Villa websites) and trying it either.

The current club sets the asking price -that's generally the norm in these scenarios. There might be a bit of room for manoeuvre if the bid is closer to our valuation and doesn't take the piss. But when it comes down to it, it's a case of pay or don't.  If the Redscouse ultimately believe the price to be unreasonable -as their fans so clearly do- fine. Move on.
Go and spunk the guts of £20-£30 million on another promising Championship/ lower Prem U21 international.

[barrysleftfoot]

  Its simple enough really.We don't want to sell him, and he has 2 years left on his contract.

  If Lplop want him,  make us an offer we can't refuse.Start at £20m and we might reconsider, anything less than that we don't have to bother.

 FWIW he flatters to me, good footballer, but an absolute tart, not a winner in my eyes.Better footballer than AY, but not a better player.

[Redman]

It was the dreg you no doubt introduced to the thread who mentioned the d word, but no matter.

More delusion.

[Stu]

its also amazing how much better a player becomes when a fan of a club thinks he is about to join them...

although if you look past the 1 post you have on here, you will see that quite a few fans dont rate downing and never have...

Downing was unlucky enough to be signed during a period when you were all expecting Sneijder and god knows who else. The summer of 2009 was a crazy time for Villa fans and poor Downing has obviously born the brunt of your delusions in the two seasons since.

He shouldn't make the Liverpool first eleven in the manner he does Aston Villas but he'll be handy to have around. What say you to £10 million? A fair sum for a fair player. No more, no less. 

I've got a suggestion:

Fuck off.