Are we mathematically safe? - Yes

[aldridgeboy]

Well its now only down to goal difference. Blackpool and Wigan can only match us on points and West Ham cant catch us. We would need to be spanked heavily in our next two games and they both win theirs and surely both events wont happen?

Isnt it thoroughly depressing we are having to have this discussion!!!

[ozzjim]

Assuming United beat Blackburn and Blackpool, then yes. It would take a cataclysmic set of results now.

[hawkeye]

It would  need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load

[Des Little]

It would  need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load

I think the last bit is highly likely don't you?

[Mac]

I think we're safe.  However, if every result goes against us we still can go down.

This would mean both Blackburn and Blackpool beating Man Ure. Either fail and they're likely to go down.

Wolves would also have to win their last three matches. And Wigan need to turn around a 10 goal difference whist they win and we lose.
 

Unlikely.

[hawkeye]

It would  need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load

I think the last bit is highly likely don't you?

Its not beyond the realms of possibility, but we will not go down.

[ktvillan]

can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe

If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.

If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18.  i.e they finish above us.

If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.

If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us.  That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and  keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us.  So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.

If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.

If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.

If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.

It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened.  We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
 

[hawkeye]

can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe

If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.

If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18.  i.e they finish above us.

If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.

If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us.  That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and  keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us.  So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.

If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.

If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.

If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.

It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened.  We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
 

run that by me again

[ktvillan]

can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe

If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.

If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18.  i.e they finish above us.

If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.

If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us.  That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and  keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us.  So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.

If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.

If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.

If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.

It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened.  We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
 

run that by me again

Well you did ask.

[hawkeye]

Cheers KT UTV

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We'll draw 0-0 with Arsenal and fuck up any fleeting hopes of the title for them.

[ez]

We'll draw 0-0 with Arsenal and fuck up any fleeting hopes of the title for them.

A clean sheet away from home?

[TheSandman]

I have a strange feeling about us getting an uncharacteristic 3-2 win.

But we'll lose and lose heavily against Liverpool.

[olaftab]

We are safe and have been once we were on 39 or more points. However I have looked to see if there is a combination of results that could send us down when we lose  both remaining games. I say that it is almost impossible to come with that combination.

[villa for life]

ktvillain - that's fantastic!! I'd love to see Gabby's face if you tried to explain it to him!!