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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: maidstonevillain on May 07, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
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A few of the bottom teams have to play each other yet, so we may now be mathematically safe. I hope so, because we are unlikely to get anything from the next two games.
Can anybody be bothered to work it out?
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There's a predictor on the BBC website.
But no. We're not mathematically safe.
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We are not mathematically safe, but we'll probably stay up.
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May morning, hanging round a trapdoor
Saw a girl like I’ve never seen before
I wanna make her mathematically safe
Wanna keep her mathematically safe
Take her up where we’re mathematically safe
Gonna wake up mathematically safe
Mid table there’s nothing much on my fork
It’s alright though ‘cos I can go for my walk
Around Cartmel, mathematically safe
With no alarm bell, we’re mathematically safe
On a lilo, in a sea of alright
I’m a mongrel and I just won a dog fight
From: Half Man Half Biscuit: Mathematically Safe - lyrics http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/trouble-over-bridgwater/mathematically-safe/#ixzz1LggvY6Oz
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I just tried the predictor thing and without actually trying to get this to happen got all 6 of the bottom teams finishing with 39 points which bizarrely relegates Wolves Wigan and Small Heath who finish bottom....
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No, but it would take a miracle. Including united throwing away the title after defeats to blackpool and blackburn. We are safe!
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I just tried the predictor thing and without actually trying to get this to happen got all 6 of the bottom teams finishing with 39 points which bizarrely relegates Wolves Wigan and Small Heath who finish bottom....
I hope your'e right, I think we need Blackpool to lose then they can't catch us
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When O'Neil left my workmate bet me a fiver Villa would finish in the bottom five. I took the bet :(
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When O'Neil left my workmate bet me a fiver Villa would finish in the bottom five. I took the bet :(
Were not in the bottom 5
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When O'Neil left my workmate bet me a fiver Villa would finish in the bottom five. I took the bet :(
Were not in the bottom 5
We will he by May 22nd
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Pen to Blackpool... and 1 up. We're still going to be shitting it on the last day.
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Pen to Blackpool... and 1 up. We're still going to be shitting it on the last day.
Even if they win today Blackpool will still need to win the remaining two games in order to finish above us. It's a hard task but very possible... especially if they can hold out for the win against spurs.
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How shit does it feel to hope that Spuds beat Bleakpuddle so we are 'mathematically' safe
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can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe
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I don't think we will go down we should be ok.
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Well its now only down to goal difference. Blackpool and Wigan can only match us on points and West Ham cant catch us. We would need to be spanked heavily in our next two games and they both win theirs and surely both events wont happen?
Isnt it thoroughly depressing we are having to have this discussion!!!
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Assuming United beat Blackburn and Blackpool, then yes. It would take a cataclysmic set of results now.
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It would need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load
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It would need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load
I think the last bit is highly likely don't you?
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I think we're safe. However, if every result goes against us we still can go down.
This would mean both Blackburn and Blackpool beating Man Ure. Either fail and they're likely to go down.
Wolves would also have to win their last three matches. And Wigan need to turn around a 10 goal difference whist they win and we lose.
Unlikely.
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It would need Blose and BBurn to get results Wigan and Bpool to win both thier games and us to conced a boat load
I think the last bit is highly likely don't you?
Its not beyond the realms of possibility, but we will not go down.
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can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe
If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.
If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18. i.e they finish above us.
If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.
If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us. That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us. So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.
If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.
If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.
If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.
It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened. We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
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can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe
If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.
If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18. i.e they finish above us.
If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.
If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us. That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us. So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.
If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.
If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.
If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.
It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened. We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
run that by me again
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can some one come up with a the results that would put us down, i think we are mathematicaly safe
If we lose 4-0 at Arsenal and 2-0 at home to Liverpool we stay on 42 points and our GD goes to -19.
If Wigan win their two games 2-0 and 3-0 they land on 42 points with a GD of -18. i.e they finish above us.
If Blackpool win their last two games 2-0 and 2-0 they get 42 points and a GD of -18 and finish above us.
If Wolves win all three of their games they finish on 43 points, also above us. That would need Wolves to beat Blackburn, and Blackburn would have to beat Man Utd and keep their GD to less than -19 (currently -14)to finish above us. So if Blackburn lose 1-0 to Wolves and beat Man Yoo 1-0 they will do it.
If Blackburn beat Wolves, then Wolves can't catch us but we could still be overhauled by Blackburn, Blackpool and Wigan and take the third relegation spot.
If Blackpool had lost tonight they would not have been able to catch us. But they got a point, so they can still make it.
If Blues win one of their remaining games and their goal difference stays at -18 or better, they also finish above us.
It is mathematically possible, but unlikely and we would be the unluckiest team ever to go down if it happened. We could do with avoiding a heavy defeat at the Emirates next week just in case.
run that by me again
Well you did ask.
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Cheers KT UTV
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We'll draw 0-0 with Arsenal and fuck up any fleeting hopes of the title for them.
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We'll draw 0-0 with Arsenal and fuck up any fleeting hopes of the title for them.
A clean sheet away from home?
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I have a strange feeling about us getting an uncharacteristic 3-2 win.
But we'll lose and lose heavily against Liverpool.
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We are safe and have been once we were on 39 or more points. However I have looked to see if there is a combination of results that could send us down when we lose both remaining games. I say that it is almost impossible to come with that combination.
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ktvillain - that's fantastic!! I'd love to see Gabby's face if you tried to explain it to him!!
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What a sad load of old conjecturists we are..
We are made to be contenders and mid-table also rans
When Ron won the European cup it was his death knell
No real ambition just a great fanatical crowd who turn up in droves when we as winning one or two.
Been the same since they sacked Joe Mercer..looks like always will be.
Grimsby's biggest ever crowd was against Villa in Third division back in..oh 1970 odd? or was it Scunthorpe? or perhaps it was Accrington Stanly but we were thrashing them every game and the crowds came in droves to see and it was great..who was it now sticking goal after goal past shite never were and never will be teams..but we were winning and that was all that mattered except it was the Third div.
The owners know how lucky they are and how extra lucky they will be to get the Premiership millions again next season backed by the best and most gullible crowd any club could ever wish for..
Survive..of course we will.. maybe we can come 15th or even 16th next year and feel we've made progress? Lerner just counts the gate money and effs off back to Miami for the rest of the time. Ellis was happy doing it in Four Oaks.
Someone is taking the piss and it ain't me..
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What a sad load of old conjecturists we are..
We are made to be contenders and mid-table also rans
When Ron won the European cup it was his death knell
No real ambition just a great fanatical crowd who turn up in droves when we as winning one or two.
Been the same since they sacked Joe Mercer..looks like always will be.
Grimsby's biggest ever crowd was against Villa in Third division back in..oh 1970 odd? or was it Scunthorpe? or perhaps it was Accrington Stanly but we were thrashing them every game and the crowds came in droves to see and it was great..who was it now sticking goal after goal past shite never were and never will be teams..but we were winning and that was all that mattered except it was the Third div.
The owners know how lucky they are and how extra lucky they will be to get the Premiership millions again next season backed by the best and most gullible crowd any club could ever wish for..
Survive..of course we will.. maybe we can come 15th or even 16th next year and feel we've made progress? Lerner just counts the gate money and effs off back to Miami for the rest of the time. Ellis was happy doing it in Four Oaks.
Someone is taking the piss and it ain't me..
I dont think your taking the piss. Frankly, reading through what you have said or tried to say I'm not certain what you have taken.
Incidentally we never had any games against either Grimsby or Scunthorpe during our 3rd Division days.
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We'll draw 0-0 with Arsenal and fuck up any fleeting hopes of the title for them.
A clean sheet away from home?
The only way Dunne will keep a clean sheet at Arsenal is to not to go to the loo!
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Just did the BBC predictor and the following results would take us down:
Wolves beat West Brom at home
Blackpool beat Bolton at home
Wolves win at Sunderland
We get spanked at Arsenal (say 4-0)
Bham beat Fulham
Wigan beat West Ham
We lose to Liverpool (say 3-0)
Blackpool win at Old Trafford
Wigan win at Stoke
Wolves beat Blackburn at home
The chances of all those results, with a sufficient goal swing, is almost unimaginable. It would take teams who have barely been able to put two good results together to win all their remaining games. But it's not absolutely inconceivable.
If West Brom equalise today, it would take Blackburn to win all their remainign games along with a perfect storm of results elsewhere to do it.
I think it would probably qualify as the most unlucky relegation in history!
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And if you're pessimistic enough to think that combination of results is going to happen, you should be able to get fantastic odds.
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As it stands, Wigan and Blackpool need to win both of their games and rely on a goal swing of unlikely proportions for us to be in trouble.
And it goes without saying that we need lose both of our remaining games, and don't manage to score in either.
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How shit does it feel to hope that Spuds beat Bleakpuddle so we are 'mathematically' safe
You said it Fergal...
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And it goes without saying that we need lose both of our remaining games, and don't manage to score in either.
And this is unlikely?
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My analysis is that we could mathematically still finish as low as 19th. 18th is a more distinct possibility. What may well save us is our goal difference. It would need a 10 goal turnaround over the next two games for either Wigan or Blackpool to finish ahead of us on g/d, although if we lost our last two games, Blackburn won one of theirs, Wolves won their last two and Blues got 4 points it would only need one of Wigan or Blackpool to turn the g/d around with 2 wins (Wigan looks the more likely of the two to do that.)
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
Precisely. We've pissed away points that should've been there for the taking, and now we're relying on games away to Arsenal and home to Liverpool, games we should be able to afford to lose without too much compromise, to get the point that'll make us safe.
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To answer maidstone's opening point BTW, the only game involving two teams below us who could both mathematically catch us is Wolves v Blackburn on the final day. There is still Wigan v West Ham to come also but W Ham cannot catch us and seem to be doomed.
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
Precisely. We've pissed away points that should've been there for the taking, and now we're relying on games away to Arsenal and home to Liverpool, games we should be able to afford to lose without too much compromise, to get the point that'll make us safe.
Gary Mac thinks the Arsenal and Liverpool are games where the team can "enjoy themselves " even though we are not 100 % safe.Unbelievable
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Just did the BBC predictor and the following results would take us down:
Wolves beat West Brom at home
Blackpool beat Bolton at home
Wolves win at Sunderland
We get spanked at Arsenal (say 4-0)
Bham beat Fulham
Wigan beat West Ham
We lose to Liverpool (say 3-0)
Blackpool win at Old Trafford
Wigan win at Stoke
Wolves beat Blackburn at home
The chances of all those results, with a sufficient goal swing, is almost unimaginable. It would take teams who have barely been able to put two good results together to win all their remaining games. But it's not absolutely inconceivable.
If West Brom equalise today, it would take Blackburn to win all their remainign games along with a perfect storm of results elsewhere to do it.
I think it would probably qualify as the most unlucky relegation in history!
Although that sequence of results would be unbelievable, if you look at each one individually, they could easily go the way we don't want. The only truly exceptional results would be if Blackpool won at Old Trafford. It could well come down to goal difference.
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The fact that this thread exists and that the answer is still technically no says all you need to know about an absolute dog shit season...
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
Precisely. We've pissed away points that should've been there for the taking, and now we're relying on games away to Arsenal and home to Liverpool, games we should be able to afford to lose without too much compromise, to get the point that'll make us safe.
Gary Mac thinks the Arsenal and Liverpool are games where the team can "enjoy themselves " even though we are not 100 % safe.Unbelievable
Then he's an idiot.
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Define "enjoy themselves".
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Just did the BBC predictor and the following results would take us down:
Wolves beat West Brom at home
Blackpool beat Bolton at home
Wolves win at Sunderland
We get spanked at Arsenal (say 4-0)
Bham beat Fulham
Wigan beat West Ham
We lose to Liverpool (say 3-0)
Blackpool win at Old Trafford
Wigan win at Stoke
Wolves beat Blackburn at home
The chances of all those results, with a sufficient goal swing, is almost unimaginable. It would take teams who have barely been able to put two good results together to win all their remaining games. But it's not absolutely inconceivable.
If West Brom equalise today, it would take Blackburn to win all their remainign games along with a perfect storm of results elsewhere to do it.
I think it would probably qualify as the most unlucky relegation in history!
1 down !!!
Getting scary now.
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The saddest thing is that most of us, including me, are assuming there is zero chance of getting the job done ourselves with a result against arse or liverpool. Even though both have lost against some garbage this year. I don't even trust them not to piss away our GD.
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Blackburn could yet be relegated. It's quite possible that they'll lose to Man Utd and at Wolves leaving them still on 39 points which probably won't be enough. Even Blose might yet go down if they lose or just get a point against Fulham, I reckon Spurs will want to finish on a high in their last home game. So even though Wigan, West Ham and Blackpool look most likely there's others who could yet be dragged into it - but I think we'll be ok. Just crap though to be stillthinking this way!! Glad when it's all over!
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
Precisely. We've pissed away points that should've been there for the taking, and now we're relying on games away to Arsenal and home to Liverpool, games we should be able to afford to lose without too much compromise, to get the point that'll make us safe.
Gary Mac thinks the Arsenal and Liverpool are games where the team can "enjoy themselves " even though we are not 100 % safe.Unbelievable
Then he's an idiot.
I heard him say that as well. And even though I think we're safe, he's still a bell end for saying it.
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The saddest thing is that most of us, including me, are assuming there is zero chance of getting the job done ourselves with a result against arse or liverpool. Even though both have lost against some garbage this year. I don't even trust them not to piss away our GD.
And that's because the crap teams that have beaten Arsenal and Liverpool (Wolves, Blackpool, etc.) have at least got a bit of bottle and fight about them. Something we're sadly lacking.
The fact that we're even discussing this with two games to go is a disgrace.
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And the loyal crowd will still flock to put money in the coffers of the rich.
We deserve more than to be also rans for the last 30 years which except for that blip you can say the last 50 years. We are not the Grimsbys or exeters of this world who grimly hang on by the skin of teeth year on year dependant on the loyalty of their genuine fans.
We are somehow bigger than that and contibute significantly more and have spread the gospel far and wide but the anthem and banners are wearing thin on the long crusade.
Unless the Villa get some results worthy of our history we are a spent force and as fans are having our money sequestered under false pretences.
MON started well and did well and had a longterm plan. For a fleeting moment I thought something might be happening; something to be proud of again. 6th wasn't good enough and he is gone. Houllier has/had a long term plan but likely he is gone.
I am still waiting for Lerner's longterm plan to manifest itself.
I don't want to see Villa playing lower division teams ever again. It nearly came to pass but we're saved now.
The nature of the long-suffering oppressed of Birmingham found relief in the performance of their team. Now we need that boost more than ever.
The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
It is a relief not to be going into a lower division but I am still concerned as to plans for the future that will not only keep us in the Premiership but challenge for Top 4 position. People's lifetimes have passed watching limited moments of excellence that turn to dross because of managerial/ownership failings.
I've been going long enough and seen the same thing again and again as did my father who first put in seedling of doubt in there when he said they were more interested in taking you money at the turnstiles than giving true value for money.
Rant over..We used to play the Chelsea's Man U off the park one time..
I want to see it again..some sort of hazy dream told by an elder?
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We are not safe now? We have 3 Game to get the win Stoke/WBA/Wigan but we can not.
Still need new manager.
Precisely. We've pissed away points that should've been there for the taking, and now we're relying on games away to Arsenal and home to Liverpool, games we should be able to afford to lose without too much compromise, to get the point that'll make us safe.
Gary Mac thinks the Arsenal and Liverpool are games where the team can "enjoy themselves " even though we are not 100 % safe.Unbelievable
Then he's an idiot.
Yes
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Mathematically safe? No.
But most bookies, from what I can see, aren't even accepting bets on the Villa being relegated: http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
However, the key point is that - in an unlikely combination of circumstances - we could go down. And that, given the money we've spent on this squad, is all you need to know about AVFC 2010/11. Awful, awful season.
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And the loyal crowd will still flock to put money in the coffers of the rich.
We deserve more than to be also rans for the last 30 years which except for that blip you can say the last 50 years. We are not the Grimsbys or exeters of this world who grimly hang on by the skin of teeth year on year dependant on the loyalty of their genuine fans.
We are somehow bigger than that and contibute significantly more and have spread the gospel far and wide but the anthem and banners are wearing thin on the long crusade.
Unless the Villa get some results worthy of our history we are a spent force and as fans are having our money sequestered under false pretences.
MON started well and did well and had a longterm plan. For a fleeting moment I thought something might be happening; something to be proud of again. 6th wasn't good enough and he is gone. Houllier has/had a long term plan but likely he is gone.
I am still waiting for Lerner's longterm plan to manifest itself.
I don't want to see Villa playing lower division teams ever again. It nearly came to pass but we're saved now.
The nature of the long-suffering oppressed of Birmingham found relief in the performance of their team. Now we need that boost more than ever.
The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
It is a relief not to be going into a lower division but I am still concerned as to plans for the future that will not only keep us in the Premiership but challenge for Top 4 position. People's lifetimes have passed watching limited moments of excellence that turn to dross because of managerial/ownership failings.
I've been going long enough and seen the same thing again and again as did my father who first put in seedling of doubt in there when he said they were more interested in taking you money at the turnstiles than giving true value for money.
Rant over..We used to play the Chelsea's Man U off the park one time..
I want to see it again..some sort of hazy dream told by an elder?
I agree with all of this. Birmingham's major club should, in theory, be able to compete with any other major team in the country - that surely has to be the minimum to our expectations? Anything less is totally selling ourselves and our region short. This is a big summer for us and I expect/hope Randy to show strong, ambitious, winning leadership.
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Sky have just had the relegation run in and we weren't mentioned from the bit I saw.
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Mathematically safe? No.
But most bookies, from what I can see, aren't even accepting bets on the Villa being relegated: http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
However, the key point is that - in an unlikely combination of circumstances - we could go down. And that, given the money we've spent on this squad, is all you need to know about AVFC 2010/11. Awful, awful season.
You'd be better off betting on the sequence/combination of results that could send us down.
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The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
Go on, you lead a protest against Randy.
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The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
Go on, you lead a protest against Randy.
Are you happy with the way the club has been run this season then Dave? I should imagine you'd be in a very small minority if you were.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
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The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
Go on, you lead a protest against Randy.
Are you happy with the way the club has been run this season then Dave? I should imagine you'd be in a very small minority if you were.
I'm not particularly happy with the way things have gone, but I think the way some people are currently behaving is ridiculous. We've had four good seasons where Randy has given us just about everything we could have dreamed of from an owner and more, yet the first time something goes wrong the amount of petulant footstamping is nothing short of pathetic.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
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The Owners are taking the piss. The fans need to demonstrate the fact in the way they have long come to know. either by carrying banner to express ire or just plain staying away until it dawns on Randy what he is dealing with. the Club is nothing without its support and we should not be remotely happy the position we are in presently.
Go on, you lead a protest against Randy.
Yeah go on. You'll be leading it and bringing up the rear at the same time.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,. As I said, and you seemed to ignore, I like Randy, he's been great so far. He's been let down by Houllier and Mack this season. Change it and become the hero again.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,. As I said, and you seemed to ignore, I like Randy, he's been great so far. He's been let down by Houllier and Mack this season. Change it and become the hero again.
I agree, so what on earth would protesting against him achieve?
Don't you think he knows he needs to think about making a change?
How do you think 12 people, led probably by that slobbering idiot who runs that mental blog, marching up Trinity Road waving placards would inspire Randy to do the best he could?
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,. As I said, and you seemed to ignore, I like Randy, he's been great so far. He's been let down by Houllier and Mack this season. Change it and become the hero again.
I agree, so what on earth would protesting against him achieve?
Don't you think he knows he needs to think about making a change?
How do you think 12 people, led probably by that slobbering idiot who runs that mental blog, marching up Trinity Road waving placards would inspire Randy to do the best he could?
I wouldn't protest against Randy. Never said I would. He's been very good for the club. However, he needs to recognise that the future of the club is played out on the pitch, not in the boardroom. Sack Houllier, appoint a Manager who will take the club forward, get us back on track, like we were over the last three seasons, and the fans will be happy. There's no doubt that this season has been woeful. Only Randy has the power to do anything about it.
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6th wasn't good enough.. we haven't haven't has a bad season in recent years
How many bollox statements do we have to endure.
We have not won anything in UK terms in over 30 years
We are the Villa!
We were the most powerful team ever once.
Wha happen?
eff off with prosletysation..Do the business or suffer the consequences.
Villa are better than you think..
Trust the fans Randy..not the marketing men!
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I am going to make a placard that reads:
`I Am Somewhat Disappointed With The Team's Performance Over The Season, and While I Accept That There Have Been Mitigating Factors Such As Injury, Illness, And The Mental Health Of Stephen Ireland, The Board Must Act Swiftly And Decisively To Reassure Players and Supporters That It Has A Credible Strategy For Renewal. Furthermore It Is My Belief That Doug Ellis Is A Threat To The City Of Rome, And Must Be Destroyed'.
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aka IASDWTTPOTSAWIATTHBMFSAIIATMHOSITBMASADTOPASTIHACSFRFIIMBTDEIATTTCORAMBD
I'm with you, brother!
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,.
Amen Brother.
My spies have told me that the half time cuppa for the players is made from Tesco value tea bags.
They should be drinking Yorkshire Gold.
You don't but a Rolls Royce and put paraffin in it.
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Define "enjoy themselves".
Bending over for big boys Arsenal and Liverpool.
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We have not won anything in UK terms in over 30 years
Apart from 15 and 17 years ago?
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Define "enjoy themselves".
Bending over for big boys Arsenal and Liverpool.
Texting pictures of their genitalia to teenage girls
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,.
Amen Brother.
My spies have told me that the half time cuppa for the players is made from Tesco value tea bags.
They should be drinking Yorkshire Gold.
You don't but a Rolls Royce and put paraffin in it.
What kind of fool talk is this?
Twinings Assam, surely?
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Define "enjoy themselves".
Bending over for big boys Arsenal and Liverpool.
Having rewatched the interview ( I was a bit pissed first time round) he says we're not mathematically safe but we're ok the boys can play with a smile on their faces.I wonder if they'll be smiling if we're 4-0 down to Arsenal and Blackpool and Wigan have won both their games
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I always wondered what you looked like.
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Being happy with the way things have gone this season is one thing. I can see some things have been handled badly.
Mounting protests against them, though? After four years of not putting a foot wrong?
What would you put on your placard?
My placard would say "we are even further away from the top four than we were since you came in. What are you going to do about it?" Don't get me wrong, generally, I like Randy and he has done a lot for the club, but, the team on the pitch is the most important aspect of the club and to that degree, he has ruined any gains made over the last three years or so in just one season. Put it right by getting a Management team who share Randy's ambition and quality.
Every one can have a bad season. We're not immune from it.
If you recognise that he didn't put a foot wrong for the prior four seasons, why on earth would you be protesting against him? It is the manager who fucked it up this season.
You could turn that directly onto the chairman, but it strikes me that someone who has poured that much money into the club and done so well prior to that has at least a bit of credit in the bank.
He can put it right by doing one thing. Appoint a new management tea,.
Amen Brother.
My spies have told me that the half time cuppa for the players is made from Tesco value tea bags.
They should be drinking Yorkshire Gold.
You don't but a Rolls Royce and put paraffin in it.
What kind of fool talk is this?
Twinings Assam, surely?
For fucks sake Mazrim.
We're not Man City.
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We can't compete with the Twining's of this world.
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I always wondered what you looked like.
Yes, that was me campaigning for the Morans, who's child needs a brain donor.
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We can't compete with the Twining's of this world.
Maybe, but are we really a 7th-12th Typhoo?
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We have not won anything in UK terms in over 30 years
Apart from 15 and 17 years ago?
Not forgetting the Peace Cup
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We can't compete with the Twining's of this world.
Maybe, but are we really a 7th-12th Typhoo?
Well we could be top four if we had a new moneyed, classy owner. Earl Grey? He has a good record in the cup too.
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Just made my BBC Predictor and have West Ham, Blackpool and the Rags relegated. The Rags finish on the same points and goal difference as Wigan but are relegated on lower number of goals scored.
We finish 14th.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
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We have the advantage of going into Sunday's game probably knowing that we are mathematically safe. I would dread to think we would need to rely on the team to get a point from the next two games to be sure.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
How ? Arsenal or Liverpool wont win it instead.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
How ? Arsenal or Liverpool wont win it instead.
ManU's last two games are against Blackburn and then Blackpool. If they remain unbeaten we are mathematically, stick-on, guaranteed not to be relegated.
On a similar note, if Man City beat Spurs tonight/tomorrow, and Liverpool beat Spurs on Sunday, our final game with the scousers will have no bearing whatsoever on their league position - 5th, regardless of what result they get at VP.
Would they really relegate Houllier in a game that means absolutely nothing to them?
Say what you like about this season, there have always been new straws to clutch at.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
How ? Arsenal or Liverpool wont win it instead.
ManU's last two games are against Blackburn and then Blackpool. If they remain unbeaten we are mathematically, stick-on, guaranteed not to be relegated.
On a similar note, if Man City beat Spurs tonight/tomorrow, and Liverpool beat Spurs on Sunday, our final game with the scousers will have no bearing whatsoever on their league position - 5th, regardless of what result they get at VP.
Would they really relegate Houllier in a game that means absolutely nothing to them?
Say what you like about this season, there have always been new straws to clutch at.
There are a few scenarios were we would go down , but ManU getting points in their games would as you said, keep us safe.
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No, it's OK. Nigel says the boys have played some great football and have done well to keep us up. We must be safe or he wouldn't say so. Also, Gary McAllister thinks we are safe too because he hopes or us to play with a smile on our faces against Arsenal and Liverpool now the pressure is off...........
I think everyone at the club expects this squad to be broken up and the players have played like it for large parts of the season.
Relegation is unlikely, but we aren't safe yet and I hope the soundbites don't reflect what's being said at the training ground. I expect blood and thunder at the Emirates and against Liverpool in the last game.
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We would have to lose both games - very possible I know - but have the other teams win both of theirs and have a goal difference turn around of -9.
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It's very improbable. I suppose I just wish they wouldn't talk like it's impossible (until it's impossible).
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I think if both Blackburn (v Man United) and Blackpool (v Bolton) both fail to win on Saturday we are safe even if Wolves beat Sunderland. Blackpool would have 36 or 37 points with 1 game left with Blackburn on 39 or 40 and Wolves, providing they win on 40. With Wolves playing Blackburn on the last day two of the three can no longer catch us.
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Wolves v Blackburn could be a real humdinger. Straight shoot out to see who stays up maybe? No doubt Sky will put Man Yoo on as the main game so we can see them parade the trophy though...
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We should not be here discussing this/ A month, six weeks ago we had people suggesting we'd be contesting the likes of tottenham and Citeh for a place in top six. Now we are hoping the also rans lose and we don't get ten put past us by Arse and Pool. get real..someone has fucked up and it wasn't MON..
6th wasn't good enough but wrestling with relegation makes life more interesting..get real!!
If we end up less than 4th next season we deserve to be related this one..
We are a polite disaster now.
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I can't decide if you're mentally ill or not Brian.
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I can't decide if you're mentally ill or not Brian.
Glad I am not the only one struggling on occasion to work out Brians position on certain debates.
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No, it's OK. Nigel says the boys have played some great football and have done well to keep us up. We must be safe or he wouldn't say so. Also, Gary McAllister thinks we are safe too because he hopes or us to play with a smile on our faces against Arsenal and Liverpool now the pressure is off...........
It's this kind of thinking that just confirms my opinion that British footballers and managers are generally a bit thick. They are just assuming the other teams won't get the necessary points and they are probably right, but why be complacent?
People keep on about the big gap in goal difference but it's a bit of an optical illusion. Even two 1-0 defeats for us coupled with two 1-0 wins for others would close the gap by four. If we get spanked 3 or 4-0 at the Emirates, the GD situation will not look quite so rosy. I'd rather the players and management didn't relax just yet.
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Say what you like about this season, there have always been new straws to clutch at.
A brilliant assessment. I salute you
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Maybe should forget writing in middle of night?
I hate the idea of being stressed out by a team who are paid as much as our's is.
The fans pay the wages and are justified in complaining about current position when if pound for pound we should be vying for a much higher position in the PL.
We had five years or so of reasonable development that may, or may not, have led to a better level of achievement. We will never know now. The last year has been a nightmare and the current managerial situation is dire and looks like we will have some new faces next season, managerial and players.
The optimist in me wants to see top 4 and the realist constantly sees something less so.
Bloodlust was in the air amongst Villa fans because MON underachieved. GH ended up in hospital due to the pressure and is generally considered inadequate and not fit for purpose. This is not normal behaviour in my opinion. He needed more time. Not enough points so up against the wall MF!
We do not have the Citeh money have and so rely on astute purchases and the slower development of quality footballers rather than instant genius at £100k per week.
MON believed he could 'bring on' players. We had a few that did not perform and he suffered for it. GH splashed on Bent and he looks good for now. He may go for a profit in summer see. He does seem to move on when the money is right. New ethics in modern money driven game? He will stay if he gets the right deal but if a 'big' club decide they can pay for him and his wages he may well go. I diverge.
So maybe watching the Villa for as long as I have has disturbed my equilibrium?
Overall bar the European cup there has been a shortage of achievement for such a prestigious club in recent years. The fervour is tested again and again. MoN era; it felyt better but only for a while. If there is no change next season the continuing to follow the Villa becomes an increasingly wasteful endeavour. The rewards emotionally are nil and induce a state of dysphoria rather than euphoria that exists when you are in the top end of table. I was getting used to feeling not so bad about being a Villa fan again up to last year. Now I am less so and exposed to malign criticism I can't defend with two games coming up that most people are accepting as losses as forgone conclsuion. grite at least all the otehrs are also unlikely to win and then there is GD..I don't want to be in this state of mind. I want to thrash Arse and Pool but I know the likely outcome. It is just so sad and despondant.
I made the mistake of expressing my preference the other night amongst a group of 'other' local supporters. One baggies supporter came out with a stream of unrelenting vitriol when he heard me say I was a Villa supported. I know the guy quite well, he is a 'professional' type but he turned into a scary villa hating monster. I wasn't the only Villa fan there but there was no answer to his drink fuelled abuse. I decided he was mentally disturbed also but had good reason to be but I had no answer for his accusations only vague recollections and warm memories of banter amongst local rivals in the past. Now it is just naked hatred. I shan't be talking to the fellow again unless it is to recall an incident from years ago when a villa player was badly injured, in derby game, and I could not recall the name of baggies perpetrator. He wanted to know the guy's name so he could use it as a weapon and brag to his mates about it. He may have been just a teenager back then. I was trying to tell him how or why divisions occur and friendly rivalry has gone out of game. He wanted to replicate the incident and was emphatic in his unpleasantness.
Not sure where that leaves me. It is not football as I know it. I want achievemenst of the field to outweigh any other factor; as it used to be. Now we can't beat Wigan and are hoping we don't get 'caught'; desperate stuff my mind can't cope with after all these years.
I want success, simply, as all fans do. Our present placing comes at a heavy price and makes it difficult to brush off the harsh tackles you get in social circumstances, when in previous years they could be brusquely rebuffed with reference to past achievements. Where are those achievements now? Are they coming next season? or is it the season after or five years time again? Because if they don't then the baggies supporter gets his wish and we get relegated or consigned to the also ran category.
It won't happen of course, we will not get relegated. We will probably get another season of mediocrity which is just not good enough and baggies fans will mock us pitilessly and we will not be capable of retorting civilly without being tempted to resort to, at very least, verbal violence as this guy was on the verge of.
What do I want? I want success.
What have we had in past 30 years..not a lot.
The future is all there is. The past is dead and gone and fading away by the season. It is all about next season and I am sure I will be there again in high expectation. That is what being a football fan is about. this year I am a bit down about it all and listening to crap from the opposition does not help matters.
Maybe it is years of unrequited rewards that does your head in? another season of striving for a small percentage of SFA.
I am not sure if I want to be a Villa fan if all I get for my years of devotion is abuse from an aggressive foul mouthed middleclass Royalist down the pub. Not what it is about. Not what it is a bout at all.
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Mathematically Safe sounds like some shit government initiative to teach Chavs how to count.
"Yes Chardonnay, if you gave the shopkeeper a ten pounds note you'd have 20 B&H, a three litre bottle of White Lightning and £1.17 change. You are Mathematically safe, isnt it? Respect!"
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I've given up worrying about this now.If they roll over and piss away our goal difference in the next 2 games and manage to go down from here,then quite frankly we will deserve everything we get
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Can someone sum up what Brian just said? I really can't be bothered to read it all.
OP, no, we're not mathematically safe but unless every team below us wins both their games (which I'm sure is impossible?) then we'll be just dandy.
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Maybe should forget writing in middle of night?
And maybe try to remember paragraphs, too.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
How ? Arsenal or Liverpool wont win it instead.
ManU's last two games are against Blackburn and then Blackpool. If they remain unbeaten we are mathematically, stick-on, guaranteed not to be relegated.
It's reported Ferguson plans to play his Reserve side against Blackpool, resting all his players before the Barcelona game.
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If Man U lose their title, we are in trouble..
How ? Arsenal or Liverpool wont win it instead.
ManU's last two games are against Blackburn and then Blackpool. If they remain unbeaten we are mathematically, stick-on, guaranteed not to be relegated.
It's reported Ferguson plans to play his Reserve side against Blackpool, resting all his players before the Barcelona game.
I'm not sure he will. One, they're unbeaten at home and have won the last 15 on the trot or something like that so they'll want to keep that up and 2, they'll get a fine from the F.A if they do, then again it's the F.A so maybe they won't.
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I am fecked off with performance and want to go back to that vicious foul mouthed Baggie with a suitable retort.
The incident happened prior to Wolves thrashing them so that is something to shut the cocky cnut up but I'd prefer it were us doing the scoring. Civility cost nowt!
Sorry if my posts are considered depressing or worse. I'll perk up for next year; promise.
50 years of following the Villa I want something to justify the time spent.
I don't want another season of straw grasping..
I want to finish this seasson above the Baggies that is my goal now.
Forget others losing to make us safe..we need points from Pool and Arsenal..wins no less. Nothing short of that is good enough!
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Villa will be safe if they gain 1 or more points from their remaining two games.
West Ham cannot catch Villa.
Of the other five teams below Villa, at least three would need to finish above Villa for Villa to be relegated.
Their scenarios to do so are as follows (assuming Villa lose both games)…
BLACKBURN (Man U (h), Wolves (a))
Gain 4-6 points.*
Gain 3 points, beating Man U but losing to Wolves. Must make up two goals in goal difference on Villa.
Gain 3 points, losing to Man U but beating Wolves. Must make up two goals in goal difference on Villa.*
BIRMINGHAM (Fulham (h), Spurs (a))
Gain 4 or more points.
Gain 3 points. Must make up six goals in goal difference on Villa.
WOLVES (Sunderland (a), Blackburn (h))
Gain 6 points.**
BLACKPOOL (Bolton (h), Man U (a))
Gain 6 points. Must make up nine goals in goal difference on Villa.
WIGAN (West Ham (h), Stoke (a))
Gain 6 points. Must make up ten goals in goal difference on Villa.
* in this circumstance, Wolves cannot catch Villa.
** in this circumstance, Blackburn cannot catch Villa unless they beat Man U and make up goal difference of two on Villa in remaining games.
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Maybe should forget writing in middle of night?
And maybe try to remember paragraphs, too.
In the words of one of our former posters whose first language was not English: put some air in the text!
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I admit I am deflated presently. As soon as Villa get some air in the tyres I am sure I'll starting bouncing around like a good 'un.
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Like someone said earlier, if you are seriously worried and have spare fiver then have a bet on the results. If you had a 'worse case scenario' bet last Saturday, i.e Wigan, Blues, Blackpool, Blackburn and Wolves to win, you would have got about 550-1. You'd get a hell of a lot more for 10 results. You'd be minted and wouldn't really be too worried about Villa having a season in the championship
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I would be.
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Well I've just done the paddypower football accumulator calculator for 10 results. Put 3 or 4 evens, a couple of 2-1's, a couple of 3-1's, a 4-1 and a 6-4 and you're looking at about 50k for a fiver. I'm not saying I'd be happy being relegated but it would soften the blow.
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If the bookies are offering those odds i don't want to pee on your parade but the likelihood of us going down is the equivalent of a cold day in hell.
The Villa do give me the shivers more often than not these days, that said.
I'll be rooting for you..not!
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I haven't had a bet, I said if people were seriously worried and had a spare fiver.
I won't be wasting one.
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I don't think we'll go down, I just want to be mathematically safe before the last game. If we lose, Blackpool and/or Wigan win and Wolves and/or Blackburn win, we won't be.
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The blues fan at work is absolutely bricking it, convinced they have to get something against Fulham or they're down.
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The blues fan at work is absolutely bricking it, convinced they have to get something against Fulham or they're down.
Fingers crossed, let's hope so
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We'll get smashed in our last two games but we won't go down, purely because theres at least three teams who are somehow worse than us. Seriously how poor must the teams below us be because we have been truly woeful this season?!
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We're been shit but not as shit as West Ham, Blackpool and [ insert third relegated team ].
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sha
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If Blues do go down, I'd be straight in for Johnson and / or Dann, possibly Foster though I feel he's a bit suspect and possibly Larsson.
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I hope you're right. I reckon they'll get at least a draw against Fulham. If ever they lose though, you never know. Could do with Wigan beating West Ham (assuming Saturday's results have already ensured our safety).
I reckon the loser of the Wolves-Blackburn game will drop.
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Please be the Dingles.
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West Ham, Blackpool and Wolves. I think Wigan will get out of it.
They must be really bad because we have been absolute cack.
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Just did the BBC predictor and the following results would take us down:
Wolves beat West Brom at home - Done
Blackpool beat Bolton at home- Done
Wolves win at Sunderland- Done
We get spanked at Arsenal (say 4-0)
Bham beat Fulham
Wigan beat West Ham
We lose to Liverpool (say 3-0)
Blackpool win at Old Trafford
Wigan win at Stoke
Wolves beat Blackburn at home
GULP !!
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Gutted we're not safe today. Wanted to be able to wholeheartedly cheer Wigan against West Ham in the hope of fucking up the Hammers and Blues. Now, unless by some miracle we look like getting a result, we will need West Ham to avoid defeat to make us mathematically safe.
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After today's less than ideal results, we need to hope that Wigan fail to beat West Ham tomorrow, then Villa will be safe. Luckily, Wolves play Blackburn next week, so only one of them can possibly finish above us. If we keep the scores down vs Arsenal & Liverpool, goal difference is a safety net.
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There are now two who can't catch us. But the others might. Down on goal diff what a disaster
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Or we just lose 1-0 tom'w meaning we would probably have to get tonked by 5 or 6 last game...if ALL the other win....
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Blackpool only winning by one goal is the only good news. As long as we keep the scores down we will be OK. But more squeaky bum time than I would have expected a couple of weeks ago. I would be a lot more worried if I was a Blues supporter though.
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There are now two who can't catch us. But the others might. Down on goal diff what a disaster
Oh. I must have missed it, what were the scores in the Arsenal and Liverpool games? I take it we lost?
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So you think we will win them both do you !!!!!
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So you think we will win them both do you !!!!!
I think we can win every match, why?
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I always hope we can !!! I'm a realist though,,,43 years a Vila fan has taught me this,, but I always back them, home and away,never moan ,I back the villa 100 per cent
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So you think we will win them both do you !!!!!
I think we can win every match, why?
I agree with Mr Cooper, never seen a Villa game in 45 years where it hasnt been somewhere in my mind....what if we win this one ?
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So you think we will win them both do you !!!!!
I think we can win every match, why?
Dave loses this argument 5-1 on punctuation marks at the end of a sentence.
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Trying to place an accumulator bet on sky bet or bet 365 but both sites only show tomorrow's games and I can't bring up next week's games. Anyone know how to do it?
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What you betting?
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West Ham , Wigan and Blackpool will be relegated and that is a shame because Small Heath will not do a Norwich.
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I think there are potentially some good pickings from Wigan, Blackburn or Blues. And I reckon it may be Blackburn who go down in which case I'd be interested in Samba, P Jones, Olsson.
N'zogbia or perhaps Diame or Figueroa from Wigan. And either of the centre backs from Blues would be a good signing. Probably only Ba from West Ham unless we thought we could get Parker.
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There's Rob Green as well.
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Well i'm clearly going mad as I still have the relegation jitters.
I have no faith that we'll take anything from our last two games other than a severe dent to our goal difference and I have no doubt Blackpool can get a result at Man Yoo - just ask Sheff Utd fans if they think this can't happen, the thought the same about West Ham a few years ago.
I just wanted Blackppol to fail to win so we could go into the last two matches giving the Villa sidfe the same level of commitment and passion that most of them have shown us all season.
The fact that this thread is still alive with two matches left in our season should be reason enough for those who inexerably still think that our current Management team should be rewarded with another season to realise the delusion in their argument.
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Think we all have the jitters because we are not yet safe mathematically and the mere thought of it makes your heart sink.
Still can't see Blackpool turning over Man Yoo (home record won 17 drawn 1). That's my banker !! Hopefully West Ham get something today anyway.
Sad state of affairs though.
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No jitters here, I dont think there is any chance we will go down and will happily bet on that with anyone ! Anyway I am off to see Barcelona at Camp Nou later - now theres a good team........
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If Gabby hadn't scored in injury time at West Ham...
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Shudders.....
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/05/14/aston-villa-gary-mcallister-plans-to-give-youth-a-chance-against-arsenal-97319-28693354/?
This also makes me shudder. Pires and Bannan in midfield probably! Surely after yday's results we'll play this one safer than that.
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This is what has to happen in order for us to go down -
Wigan beat West Ham (Let's say by 3 goals).
AND
We lose to Arsenal (again we'll say 4 goals).
AND
Birmingham beat Fulham or Tottenham
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We lose to Liverpool (again we'll say 4 goals)
AND
Blackburn or Wolves has to finish in a win for one of the teams
AND
Wigan have to win at Stoke (Let's say by 2 goals)
AND
Blackpool have to win at Man Utd (If we lose our 2 games with -7 they would need to win by at least a 3 goal margin).
If people still think that we are going to go down, with all of the above happening, then I suggest they take themselves to the bookmakers and put a pound on it all, because they will become very rich.
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VSM what happens if it rains bad or something else and some of the matches can't be finished and we have to use the Lewis-Duckworth method to determine a result?
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VillaSubmariner the voice of reason ! Some of the over reaction on here is cringe worthy.
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I've checked with the duck and Lewis and apparently we are well ahead because we lost fewer wickets in the opening spell. That is unless The Bluenoses have the Ferrari 355 in their pack of Top Trumps and call us out on engine capacity because our Morris Traveller will be well and truly buggered. Other than that we just have to hope that Gollum remembers to bite the ring off of the finger of Sir Al and hand it to Young so he can dive into the flames and earn a penalty to beat the Red Shite on the closing day.
Either way it's going to be a cold day in Mordor before we get relegated.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
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50/1 is shit odds as you can get 96.39/1 on Bwin on an accumulator on Arsenal and Liverpool to beat Villa, Wigan to beat West Ham and Stoke and Blackpool to beat Man U. Which would need to happen to get us relegated.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
The bookies pay out on 50/1 winners every week.
The only thing we can do to impact this situation is to get a result against Arsenal.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
The bookies pay out on 50/1 winners every week.
The only thing we can do to impact this situation is to get a result against Arsenal.
Villadawg - do you think we will get relegated?
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I'm convinced some people want most of the above to happen, not because they want Villa to be relegated, surely NO Villa fan wants that (do they?), but so they can carry on polluting every single bloody thread with their constant whinging, moaning doom-mongering and constant sniping at anyone connected with Aston Villa and anyone daring to suggest that actually, we've been safe for ages really.
Naming no names, if the cap fits.
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I'm convinced some people want most of the above to happen, not because they want Villa to be relegated, surely NO Villa fan wants that (do they?), but so they can carry on polluting every single bloody thread with their constant whinging, moaning doom-mongering and constant sniping at anyone connected with Aston Villa and anyone daring to suggest that actually, we've been safe for ages really.
Naming no names, if the cap fits.
We've been safe for a week I reckon.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
The bookies pay out on 50/1 winners every week.
The only thing we can do to impact this situation is to get a result against Arsenal.
Villadawg - do you think we will get relegated?
More importantly, does a little part of you want us to?
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Wigan 3-0 West Ham - 24/1
Arsenal 4-0 Aston Villa - 16/1
Birmingham win v Fulham - 5/4
Aston Villa 0-4 Liverpool - 40/1
Wolves win v Blackburn - 11/10
Wigan win at Stoke - 12/5
Man Utd 0-3 Blackpool - 125/1
Put £1 on that lot to happen and you'd win £35,271,510.75 according to a bet calculator I've just used.
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Although you'd be gutted if we ending up losing 5-1 to Liverpool and we went down and you still lost your bet.
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We've been safe for a week I reckon.
I stopped worrying after we beat Blackburn 4-1.
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Can we just answer the original question with a 'Yes' and put this thread to bed now please?
Every time I see a new post on the thread I have a little panic that I've missed something and we might actually have an away trip to Brighton next year!
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Can we just answer the original question with a 'Yes' and put this thread to bed now please?
Not while the answer is still 'no' we can't.
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Can we just answer the original question with a 'Yes' and put this thread to bed now please?
Not while the answer is still 'no' we can't.
C'mon West Ham.......I'm sorry to say
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Can we just answer the original question with a 'Yes' and put this thread to bed now please?
Not while the answer is still 'no' we can't.
I'd say Blackpool getting a big victory at Old Trafford the day they get the trophy is a impossibility so the Villa playing top flight football next season is as certain as it needs to be.
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NOW WILL YOU ACCEPT IT?
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YES
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Time to lock the thread :-)
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Well we are now!! Great result for Wigan too!! Blues in the shit now ha ha
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YES WE FUCKING WELL ARE YOU BEAUTIES!
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I want to see Blackpool and Wolves survive now..wheww..never a chance of us going down of course.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
The bookies pay out on 50/1 winners every week.
The only thing we can do to impact this situation is to get a result against Arsenal.
Villadawg - do you think we will get relegated?
No.
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Only one bookie on Oddschecker is taking bets on Villa going down and its 50-1, which is also the odds on Belgium winning the European Championships next year... The Noses are 3-1 to get relegated btw.
The bookies pay out on 50/1 winners every week.
The only thing we can do to impact this situation is to get a result against Arsenal.
Villadawg - do you think we will get relegated?
More importantly, does a little part of you want us to?
Go and fuck yourself.
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When O'Neil left my workmate bet me a fiver Villa would finish in the bottom five. I took the bet :(
Were not in the bottom 5
We will he by May 22nd
Yay, the fiver is mine :D
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I'm prepared to accept all your thanks for my making sure we got the result we needed today. I put £15 on us to get relegated at 199-1 on betfair just before kick-off. Money well spent to guarantee we stay up....