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Offline Ads

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #300 on: December 08, 2014, 11:40:46 AM »
Furious over what?

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #301 on: December 08, 2014, 11:49:04 AM »
I don't think the Clark tackle was any different to the ones we see Baker do every now and again. Besides, it was nowhere near as bad as some of the ones Leicester, Spurs and Hull dished out against us.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #302 on: December 08, 2014, 11:53:48 AM »
The tackle was extremely well-timed, designed to win the ball at speed, which Clark did.
Ulloa is known to "use his physical presence" as part of his game...and he did, by using his arms on several occasions and shoving his hand in Okore's face. He was trying to intimidate our "young" defenders and they didn't take it.
For that they deserve credit.
Ulloa's injury was a genuine accident as a result of a firm tackle, Westwood's was not...Vardy went through him, scissors style, maximising the chance to hurt Westwood (I think there was also a bit of a follow though with his right boot - he should have got a straight red.)

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #303 on: December 08, 2014, 11:55:07 AM »
I don't think Clark actually made contact with anything other than the ball. It was just the impact and direction that he hit the ball that caused the injury to Ulloa. it's not a non-contact sport, and this was a great challenge made clearly within it's rules. Injury's do happen, and whilst misfortunate, I don't think anyone could be angry about the tackle if looking at it rationally.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #304 on: December 08, 2014, 11:57:00 AM »
That was a horrendous tackle in my opinion. He clearly went in to hurt the guy and that is something I don't want to see from a Villa player.

Do you honestly believe that Clark intended to hurt his opponent in that challenge? I've not heard that perspective yet.

I do. It was just after Westwood went off and there was absolutely no need to go in like that. What if he'd got sent off? What if that had led to a scuffle where one of our players got sent off? It was a stupid thing to do.

If it was the other way round, I imagine most of us would be furious.

In my opinion it was a great tackle by Clark. Clean, took the ball, feet on the floor. If one ouf our players got tackled like that then I would have no problem whatsoever. For the record, if Konchesky deserved the red card then so did Hutton.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #305 on: December 08, 2014, 11:58:19 AM »

If it was the other way round, I imagine most of us would be furious.

That can be said about most incidents in every game of football ever played

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #306 on: December 08, 2014, 12:01:49 PM »
That was a horrendous tackle in my opinion. He clearly went in to hurt the guy and that is something I don't want to see from a Villa player.

Do you honestly believe that Clark intended to hurt his opponent in that challenge? I've not heard that perspective yet.

I do. It was just after Westwood went off and there was absolutely no need to go in like that. What if he'd got sent off? What if that had led to a scuffle where one of our players got sent off? It was a stupid thing to do.

If it was the other way round, I imagine most of us would be furious.

In my opinion it was a great tackle by Clark. Clean, took the ball, feet on the floor. If one ouf our players got tackled like that then I would have no problem whatsoever. For the record, if Konchesky deserved the red card then so did Hutton.

Why? Hutton was fouled and then Konchesky clearly stood-over him and said something derogatory to him. Yes, hutton reacted, but I don't think that a shove has ever merited a straight red-card, yellow maybe.

Konchesky's challenge was arguably not a straight-red, but I always think it's dangerous when somebody slides in towards a stationary player. You're giving them very little chance to take evasive action, and if you miss the ball and catch them (as Konchesky did) you're carrying all of the impact meaning there's a greater chance of them getting injured. The best that Konchesky could hope for there was to concede a throw-in deep into our half. It was a reckless challenge and I'm fairly certain any appeal would be thrown out.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #307 on: December 08, 2014, 12:03:50 PM »
Looks a different player at the moment.  Full of confidence and is playing really well.  Sitting in the North Stand yesterday, it was interesting to see him being very vocal and having a real go at Benteke for not closing down Schmeichel in the final minutes. 

As for his tackle, he definitely intended to 'leave one on' the player, but got the ball first so there wasn't a problem.  It could be argued that it was a bit reckless to go in like that in the modern game, as any slight mistiming would result in a definite red card. 

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #308 on: December 08, 2014, 12:13:07 PM »
That was a horrendous tackle in my opinion. He clearly went in to hurt the guy and that is something I don't want to see from a Villa player.

Do you honestly believe that Clark intended to hurt his opponent in that challenge? I've not heard that perspective yet.

I do. It was just after Westwood went off and there was absolutely no need to go in like that. What if he'd got sent off? What if that had led to a scuffle where one of our players got sent off? It was a stupid thing to do.

If it was the other way round, I imagine most of us would be furious.
Genuinely, no. I wouldn't be furious. It was a strong but fair challenge.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #309 on: December 08, 2014, 12:59:48 PM »
Fair play to Clark. He had come very close in recent games to scoring from Westwood's deliveries so no real surprise it came off yesterday. Truly abysmal marking from Leicester it must be said.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #310 on: December 08, 2014, 01:12:00 PM »
Or just a very good cross, and very good movement and finish by Clark. It's a combination, and it looked like a training ground routine that went to plan.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #311 on: December 08, 2014, 01:17:47 PM »
Looks a different player at the moment.  Full of confidence and is playing really well.  Sitting in the North Stand yesterday, it was interesting to see him being very vocal and having a real go at Benteke for not closing down Schmeichel in the final minutes. 

As for his tackle, he definitely intended to 'leave one on' the player, but got the ball first so there wasn't a problem.  It could be argued that it was a bit reckless to go in like that in the modern game, as any slight mistiming would result in a definite red card. 


Has been on poor form for few years but really stepped up again now.Wasn't he captain of the youth sides ? He is very vocal and would make a decent captain.


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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #312 on: December 08, 2014, 01:25:26 PM »
Or just a very good cross, and very good movement and finish by Clark. It's a combination, and it looked like a training ground routine that went to plan.


I would have been gutted with our defence. Westwood even signalled to him where to run.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #313 on: December 08, 2014, 01:32:43 PM »
Clark is playing very well, and I am confident that with the return of one between  Vlaar, Senderos or Baker, he could even be employed as defensive midfielder should Westwood be injuried.

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Re: Ciaran Clark
« Reply #314 on: December 08, 2014, 01:42:46 PM »
Clarks steamtrain tackle put a smile on my face, too many times I've seen him physically dominated. It looks like his body has matured a bit anyway and he's filled out, so seeing him stick a leveller on someone was great.

 


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