The Throstles v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[bertlambshank]

I really don't get the negativity. We lost after battering them and they scored two very fortunate goals. It is our first defeat in 5, is this just 5 weeks of anti GED built up? Or is it just because it was a derby?

If you don't get the negativity you may as well give up now.

Well explain. I have seen a team that, when it has all its players fit produce some really entertaining attacking football since January. We lost our first game in 5, after our manager nearly was taken seriously ill and we were still very unfortunate. It hurts losing a derby and for what its worth i think Gmac should be replaced in the summer but some of the criticism of GED is outrageous. Our two centre backs that started yesterday are a fucking disgrace, neither will be 1st choice after the summer IMO and despite that we have been on a decent run. Watch the highlights from yesterday and tell me we didnt deserve 3 points. Both there goals were fortunate, and while i appreciate ours was as well, we created far more than they did. We were unfortunate to lose away to a team in good form, move on.

We lost,we did not deserve 3 points.We got what we deserved nothing.

[Clark W Griswold]

The problem is, it's been larely the same all season, lots of possesion and attacks that lead to nothing and getting sucker punched down the other end. Especially away from home. It's frustrating enough losing as much as we have this season anyway, but to lose in that manner as often as we have is infuriating.

[Somniloquism]

I never saw the match live, but why are everyone having a go at Dunne for this match. He wasn't even on the pitch for either goal and Clark and Collins actually both made mistakes for both goals.

My brother texted me to say "Told you so. Another late goal" at 1750 yesterday. I texted back that the main reason we are in this mess is now in charge of the team and he had evened up the teams with bringing Pires on for NRC.

Although Houllier has dropped clangers himself, most of the rumours about the behind the scenes issues seem to have GMac at the centre of them. He has proved three times that he is not a manager at lower levels then we play so why should he be good now. I doubt very much that we would be in any of this mess if Pinochio had took the job.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Please please tell me why Mcallister put Pires on ?? we needed fresh legs to humiliate there ten man team ? So he puts on Charlie fucking Chaplin .......

[Des Little]

Please please tell me why Mcallister put Pires on ?? we needed fresh legs to humiliate there ten man team ? So he puts on Charlie fucking Chaplin .......

I may have missed something but I haven't seen or heard from anyone that can make sense of that substitution.  Bizarre.

[Martyn Smith]

I was at the Hawthorns in April 85 and we should've won that game with the chances we had too...

[Toronto Villa]

To be fair paulie, regardless of who the manager was, i think the complete lack of professionalism by about 5/6 senior players cannot not have had an effect.

Of course it has, as i said, I'm just curious as to why Toronto is absolving the manager of blame.

I'm not at all. I just don't see how he can be blamed for the defeat today. There is no way any of us know how today could have ended up if he was on the sideline. Up until his illness we had gone 4 unbeaten. Not earth shattering I grant you, but unbeaten nonetheless. At 1-0 at HT I didn't read any Houllier out posts. Just because we threw it away in the 2nd half is down to players and staff at the game today. It's as much McAllister's fault for not making the right tactical changes as it is for the players' inability to finish off their chances, and the defences for not keeping them from scoring. We simply didn't know how to break down the opposition when asked to be the dominant team in the game. Is Houllier responsible for some of that because he's been the manager this season? Off course. But then these same players under MON couldn't do it either, so I'm not going to say it's all Houllier's fault.

I'm just not going to get carried away when we lose, neither am I going to dance in the streets when we win right now. I'm willing to give him the opportunity to properly put his stamp on the club, both in terms of coaches and players. This is a manager that has won a lot in his career, so my guess he has to have some idea of what it takes to build a successful club side. Each to their own of their view of that. If it's like this next season, he'll have very few people that will come to his defence.

If GH slept with your misses you would forgive him.

That's ok. I've been pounding your wife because she wanted a less emotional man in her life.

I've said since the start Houllier has done nothing wrong and the world is great, haven't I? FFS. You know, once you calm down and are able to put down the snotty tissues you'll find it isn't the end of the world.

[Big Dick Edwards]

Why was Dunne taken off? Was he injured or was it a tactical move?

[hawkeye]

There have been many ocaisions this season when we have had teams on the rack, created lots of opportunities in the Penalty Box, failed to score and then the key stone cops in defence have come to the rescue of the opposition. It isnt down to luck that this keeps happening. There is something fundementaly wrong. It seems that there is a real lack of intent. A decent managerial set up should have that squad in the top 10.

[Clampy]

Of all the years i've been on this site (and it's been a few) i can't remember there being a season where's been a quite so much support for a manager who has lost as many games as we have, as well as three local derbies.

GT Mark 2 seemed to get more stick than GH has or is it just me?

[WikiVilla]

Have we ever won in those claret shorts ?

[hawkeye]

Of all the years i've been on this site (and it's been a few) i can't remember there being a season where's been a quite so much support for a manager who has lost as many games as we have, as well as three local derbies.

GT Mark 2 seemed to get more stick than GH has or is it just me?

i think a 4 games defeated and a heart condition has something to do with it.

[bertlambshank]

To be fair paulie, regardless of who the manager was, i think the complete lack of professionalism by about 5/6 senior players cannot not have had an effect.

Of course it has, as i said, I'm just curious as to why Toronto is absolving the manager of blame.

I'm not at all. I just don't see how he can be blamed for the defeat today. There is no way any of us know how today could have ended up if he was on the sideline. Up until his illness we had gone 4 unbeaten. Not earth shattering I grant you, but unbeaten nonetheless. At 1-0 at HT I didn't read any Houllier out posts. Just because we threw it away in the 2nd half is down to players and staff at the game today. It's as much McAllister's fault for not making the right tactical changes as it is for the players' inability to finish off their chances, and the defences for not keeping them from scoring. We simply didn't know how to break down the opposition when asked to be the dominant team in the game. Is Houllier responsible for some of that because he's been the manager this season? Off course. But then these same players under MON couldn't do it either, so I'm not going to say it's all Houllier's fault.

I'm just not going to get carried away when we lose, neither am I going to dance in the streets when we win right now. I'm willing to give him the opportunity to properly put his stamp on the club, both in terms of coaches and players. This is a manager that has won a lot in his career, so my guess he has to have some idea of what it takes to build a successful club side. Each to their own of their view of that. If it's like this next season, he'll have very few people that will come to his defence.

If GH slept with your misses you would forgive him.

That's ok. I've been pounding your wife because she wanted a less emotional man in her life.

I've said since the start Houllier has done nothing wrong and the world is great, haven't I? FFS. You know, once you calm down and are able to put down the snotty tissues you'll find it isn't the end of the world.

The only person who is getting emotional is you.Anybody who has a go, you come on here crying your eyes up,telling everybody how wrong they are.By the way I got both fists up your wifes arse and there was still room for more

[E I Adio]

Please please tell me why Mcallister put Pires on ?? we needed fresh legs to humiliate there ten man team ? So he puts on Charlie fucking Chaplin .......

You're not the first on this thread to ask this. Did nobody hear Mcallister's post match comments, or was I dreaming??

[olaftab]

I never saw the match live, but why are everyone having a go at Dunne for this match. He wasn't even on the pitch for either goal and Clark and Collins actually both made mistakes for both goals.

We reserve the right to blame Houllier and Dunne for every defeat  even if they were in Africa at the time.