The Throstles v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[avfcpg]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

You've obviously not seen his goal record up until this season. As I said earlier, give him (and Bent) decent service and the goals will come.

Quite...nowt wrong with the forward options. It's just we are too one dimensional. Teams set out to nullify Young and Downing...and if they do that we have no other option through the middle. We've been crying out for a centre mid playmaker and a goal scorer for years. We have Bent now, now for the other if we seriously want to push on. (err and two centre backs).
 

[citizenDJ]

Dire, awful stuff from the Villa, and a performance which strangely and probably irrationally has had a bit of a 'last straw' effect on me. I've managed to remain broadly positive through the season, in the face of a lot of balls-ups, but for some reason today has just left me with a real 'ah, fuck it' frame of mind.
I won't be sorry to see Houllier leave (wishing him the best of health, of course) along with McAllister, Ashley Young, Dunne, Collins, Petrov, Pires...... it just isn't working.

Rip this up, start again.

[villaparkb6]

Any Aston Villa manager whos team loses games to blose albion and wolves in the same season should be sacked along with his staff its as simple as that Randy!!

[villa for life]

Maybe we should take the positives, we lost, but only by one goal, which could mean something at the end of the season. Sunderland lost by 3, so I see we are neck and neck with them now. Actually, what happens if it comes down to goal difference and even that is the same?!

[CJ]

I still maintain that the substitution lost us that game.  If NRC wasn't injured why take him off rather than the tiring Petrov? Even if we assume NRC was injured why replace him with the slow Pires rather than someone with energy like Delph? Also given that our defence has been so shit all season - 57 goals conceded and counting - what does Cuellar have to do to get a game? Even today Clark got the nod ahead of him when Fatboy came off.

[BannedUserIAT]

Maybe we should take the positives, we lost, but only by one goal, which could mean something at the end of the season. Sunderland lost by 3, so I see we are neck and neck with them now. Actually, what happens if it comes down to goal difference and even that is the same?!

Then they judge you buy your neighbours.
Newcastle and Blues....an equal set of complete ******.

[Toronto Villa]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

ps. why aren't you blaming Sid also? Houllier promoted him to his current position too.

No need to get sarcastic TV.  You are 100% wrong.  Houllier appointed him and if he didn't rate him he shouldn't have brought him in.  If he did rate him (which he obviously did) then his judgement is poor.  Which part of that do you not understand?

Would he have appointed him if the people he wanted were available? It's a simple question. He appointed him because the people he wanted weren't available and he trusted him from their time at Liverpool. When you come to a new place it is very common for a manager to surround himself with people he knows and trusts.

[barrysleftfoot]

  The service to Gabby and Bent was not shite, thet just take the same positions.

  How many times did Downing/Walker and Petrov get in good positions, but fail to pick a pass out?

  A more intellegent striker needed alongside Bent please.

  I was a big fan of Gabby, now if anyone offered over £10m i w3ould seriously consider.

[BannedUserIAT]

I still maintain that the substitution lost us that game. 

No one in the entire galaxy is arguing with you...except the one solitary dickhead who matters.

[KevinGage]

This game was G Macs fault! Not Houlliers.

If it was one game in isolation, and we'd had even an average season, I could maybe buy into that.

Frustrating yes, but in the grand scheme of things largely academic.

However, today illustrated most of the weaknesses that have dogged us throughout this campaign -particularly under this management team- and failure to win next week will see us facing the very real prospect of starting the final game of the season still not absolutely, mathematically safe.

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

If you fundamentally do not believe in kick and rush football, you're not going to just go along with it now are you? Lots of people have been crying out for a better brand of football at Villa Park for a while now. He's trying to do that, and it's not going to happen overnight. He needs the summer.

You do the best you can with the players at your disposal. You do not risk everything just because you don't believe in 'kick and rush', because if you get relegated then the summer gets spent selling most of your players to Premier League clubs (ones that played to their strengths and stayed up) and building a side for the Championship. I find it astonishing that a Villa fan would think it's perfectly okey-dokey to risk our top-flight status like this.

Make us solid first, then start changing the style of play to suit your ideals of how the game should be played.   

Exactly right Jimbo.

To hear the way some go on you'd think we were like Wimbledon under Basset or Gould, Bolton under Allerdyce during MON's tenure. We weren't always easy on the eye, but we were capable of generating excitement at times and  getting results. Under Houllier/ Gmac, we can do neither.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

You've obviously not seen his goal record up until this season. As I said earlier, give him (and Bent) decent service and the goals will come.

Quite...nowt wrong with the forward options. It's just we are too one dimensional. Teams set out to nullify Young and Downing...and if they do that we have no other option through the middle. We've been crying out for a centre mid playmaker and a goal scorer for years. We have Bent now, now for the other if we seriously want to push on. (err and two centre backs).
 

I think Young and Downing do enough to nullify themselves without the opposition having to worry too much. They get themselves in great positions to deliver but almost always try and complicate the opportunity. They really are all fart, no shit. Somebody for far too long has needed to stand up to them and tell them to get the ball in the bloody box. At least Downing brings the ball forward and uses Walker to cross the ball.

Don't get me started on corners and free kicks.

[Holtenderinthesky]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

ps. why aren't you blaming Sid also? Houllier promoted him to his current position too.

No need to get sarcastic TV.  You are 100% wrong.  Houllier appointed him and if he didn't rate him he shouldn't have brought him in.  If he did rate him (which he obviously did) then his judgement is poor.  Which part of that do you not understand?

Would he have appointed him if the people he wanted were available? It's a simple question. He appointed him because the people he wanted weren't available and he trusted him from their time at Liverpool. When you come to a new place it is very common for a manager to surround himself with people he knows and trusts.

Whichever way you slice it Gary McAllister was brought in by Houllier and therefore Gerard is culpable for that clueless waste of space being at our club.  G Mac was the worst appointment we've had at the Villa since..................well, since Houllier.

[Edvard Remberg]

This game was G Macs fault! Not Houlliers.

If it was one game in isolation, and we'd had even an average season, I could maybe buy into that.

Frustrating yes, but in the grand scheme of things largely academic.

However, today illustrated most of the weaknesses that have dogged us throughout this campaign -particularly under this management team- and failure to win next week will see us facing the very real prospect of starting the final game of the season still not absolutely, mathematically safe.

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

If you fundamentally do not believe in kick and rush football, you're not going to just go along with it now are you? Lots of people have been crying out for a better brand of football at Villa Park for a while now. He's trying to do that, and it's not going to happen overnight. He needs the summer.

You do the best you can with the players at your disposal. You do not risk everything just because you don't believe in 'kick and rush', because if you get relegated then the summer gets spent selling most of your players to Premier League clubs (ones that played to their strengths and stayed up) and building a side for the Championship. I find it astonishing that a Villa fan would think it's perfectly okey-dokey to risk our top-flight status like this.

Make us solid first, then start changing the style of play to suit your ideals of how the game should be played.   

Exactly right Jimbo.

To hear the way some go on you'd think we were like Wimbledon under Basset or Gould, Bolton under Allerdyce during MON's tenure. We weren't always easy on the eye, but we were capable of generating excitement at times and  getting results. Under Houllier/ Gmac, we can do neither.

That is why i said "this game". I might also say that GMac is part of the problem all season. Can't say who is fault at what - can't care, replace management. But today we could have had 3 easy games (mentally) if that idiot didnt put Pires on!

[luke25]

Just got home, I still can't get my head around that, Albion were absolutely woeful and we handed it to them on a plate, i lost count of the amount of times we got into a position along the goal line only to cut the ball back to nobody, must have been about 6 or 7 times, worst thing that happened was them going down to 10 because they stuck everybody behind the ball and not one of our lads had a clue what to do, our movement off the ball is non existance, losing to Wolves and Albion in the space of a few weeks is sickening.

[Edvard Remberg]

And another thing - i am trying to remember if we have scored from a Corner this season? If we have, i would guess Clark has scored one, but I really can't remember.