The Throstles v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Toronto Villa]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

ps. why aren't you blaming Sid also? Houllier promoted him to his current position too.

[sfx412]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

That why he was leading goalscorer under the Mighty Mon ?

[Phil from the upper holte]

Just had a txt off my boggie mate

Worth the wait he said.

Wanker

[pauliewalnuts]

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

I don't really understand what you're getting at here.

McAllister wasn't his first choice, but he still chose him. Just like Houllier wasn't our first choice, but he still got the job.

[bertlambshank]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

ps. why aren't you blaming Sid also? Houllier promoted him to his current position too.

What a load of crap.It's not like it was a rush job to get him in was it?

[avfcpg]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

No one today came out with any credit, all a bag of shit, massive clear out is required. I used to think we needed to give houllier full pre-season etc, but houllier has to go I think now, we need to get a new manager in sharpish, early june at the latest, to give full pre-season and chance of making the signings he wants.

We HAVE to get something out of the wigan game next weekend, cos we will get fuck all out of Arsenal or Liverpool.

Luckily for us I think we are safe...I can see 39/40 points being safe the way the games are going.

[Holtenderinthesky]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

I'll type slower. He brought in McAllister because the people he really wanted didn't want to come at the time. It is conceivable that McAllister would not be at the club getting the blame for today's defeat had Houllier been able to get the people he actually wanted.

ps. why aren't you blaming Sid also? Houllier promoted him to his current position too.

No need to get sarcastic TV.  You are 100% wrong.  Houllier appointed him and if he didn't rate him he shouldn't have brought him in.  If he did rate him (which he obviously did) then his judgement is poor.  Which part of that do you not understand?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

You've obviously not seen his goal record up until this season. As I said earlier, give him (and Bent) decent service and the goals will come.

[Jimbo]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

If you fundamentally do not believe in kick and rush football, you're not going to just go along with it now are you? Lots of people have been crying out for a better brand of football at Villa Park for a while now. He's trying to do that, and it's not going to happen overnight. He needs the summer.

You do the best you can with the players at your disposal. You do not risk everything just because you don't believe in 'kick and rush', because if you get relegated then the summer gets spent selling most of your players to Premier League clubs (ones that played to their strengths and stayed up) and building a side for the Championship. I find it astonishing that a Villa fan would think it's perfectly okey-dokey to risk our top-flight status like this.

Make us solid first, then start changing the style of play to suit your ideals of how the game should be played.   

[UsualSuspect]

That sums up our season.
Shit decisions from management costing us points.

With an opposition down to ten men and tiring, it's time to hit them with some pace and some guile.
But we hit them with the crab twins.

Petrov, sideways to Pires, square ball back to Petrov, back to Pires who looks around and sees Petrov available who then gives it away....

Well done Gary Mac. Clueless cock.

Took the words out of my mouth. Pires and petrov I bet they shit themselves

[pauliewalnuts]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

If you fundamentally do not believe in kick and rush football, you're not going to just go along with it now are you? Lots of people have been crying out for a better brand of football at Villa Park for a while now. He's trying to do that, and it's not going to happen overnight. He needs the summer.

You do the best you can with the players at your disposal. You do not risk everything just because you don't believe in 'kick and rush', because if you get relegated then the summer gets spent selling most of your players to Premier League clubs (ones that played to their strengths and stayed up) and building a side for the Championship. I find it astonishing that a Villa fan would think it's perfectly okey-dokey to risk our top-flight status like this.

Make us solid first, then start changing the style of play to suit your ideals of how the game should be played.   

I'm firmly in favour of getting us to play more football, and at a lot of points this season we have shown signs of doing just that, but we've gone from having one of the more solid defences in the league to having an utter fucking shambles at the back.

How long does it take to instill in the minds of defenders, who did a good job last season, the basics of defending?

[Karl Bridges]

The entire 11 barring Downing, L Young, Bent and just maybe Petrov (for back up) needs to go. Overhaul time. These players just aren't good enough.

They are the same players that finished 6th last year and got to Wembley twice.

Yes and the obvious difference is the manager, the buck stops there!

The baggies bring in a new manager and look at what he has done!

Maybe James Milner is another obvious difference.

[villa for life]

Gary Mac, one of a select bunch who can make Gerard look good!!!  Thank Goodness Randy will sort it out in the summer.

[Edvard Remberg]

Pires on was todays fault. He was shocking. Troy put it best, saying we played the Crab-twins, and giving possesion away. That was Macs fault. And Mac has been here all season, so maybe he is the cancer in the side.

[Phil from the upper holte]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

You've obviously not seen his goal record up until this season. As I said earlier, give him (and Bent) decent service and the goals will come.

Is the correct answer, The service to Agbonlahor & Bent was shocking