The Throstles v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[bertlambshank]

and here's the other thing. Why does Sid get none of the blame. I'm guessing he and McAllister speak about tactics and what to do in certain situations. If people are going to throw mud at McAllister then throw it at Sid as well.

Personally, I don't think we have the weapons "right now" to play the way that Houllier wants us to, and put in a situation of having to press on and win a game we just can't do it very well.

We cant when you dont pick any strikers on the bench to come on and change things

We had enough attacking talent on the pitch to win the game. The only other forward would have been having Heskey available. Would it have made that much of a difference? We couldn't get the ball into the box for ages. Apparently that's a key piece to scoring goals.

Nail on head.Who sets up the side to play like that.It's not the players.

[pauliewalnuts]

This game was G Macs fault! Not Houlliers.

Decisions he made today which may have affected the outcome of the match are down to GM, but there's no getting away from the fact that the weaknesses and shitness of today were the same ones which have been allowed to fester all season.

[Jimbo]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

[Toronto Villa]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

[caster troy]

On the plus side we are now only three games away from the end of a truly abysmal season.

We can only hope for wholesale changes on and off the pitch now and hopefully make amends next season.

[sfx412]

After the way O'Neill walked, the uncertainty and injuries during KM's episode in control, the aggro when Houllier took over, his subsequent heart problems, I'd suggest next season we need to have a new manager in early, very early to take over, to ensure next season whichever league we are in is one of some stability and follows and agreed plan of action.
We most certainly don't need to keep a bloke who even if he does well may be subject to further heart problems, or to develop a situation where after a full close season we are looking in the bargain basement again for another manager when they have all been signed up.

[spangley1812]

This game was G Macs fault! Not Houlliers.

Wrong im afraid its Gerards team, his tactics and the team was set up as he wanted it as he had been in contact with
McAllister all week and it wouldnt suprise me if Gerard told him to make the substitution as well

[BannedUserIAT]

You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

True. But it's still a drink. I reckon Gary Mac would try to make a cup of coffee with a house-brick.

[Holtenderinthesky]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I think you might find that I am not incorrect because I didn't say anything about him being his first choice did I?  Read peoples posts properly before you make such statements. Oh, and by the way, Houllier appointed G Mac whether he was 1st choice, 2nd choice or 26th choice.  It's Houllier's fault that McAllister is at our club.

Houllier appointed McAllister as his assistant manager. So in answer to your comment about bringing in his "own number 2" he didn't which is what I pointed out. He wanted Thompson with Duverne. It is quite conceivable that McAllister would not even be at the club had he appointed Thompson. I did read your post and in doing so pointed out your error.

What error?  Did Houllier bring in G Mac or not?

[Toronto Villa]

I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.

Agreed.

Yeah poor Gerard.  Having that clueless twat Gary Mac forced on him like that.  If only Gerard could have brought in his own number 2, then we wouldn't have had that useless prat in charge of us today.  Oh wait........

so McAllister was his initial choice as assistant? I think you might find that you incorrect on that and he wanted Thompson instead.

I was unaware there were only two men available to be considered for this role. Unlucky, Gerard.

so you seem to have knowledge of who was out of work and available, or who might have just pakced up on their current employer a month into the season and walked to Villa Park. Who should he have got instead?

I'm not a top-flight football manager, so I'm afraid I cannot tell you. I can, however, tell you that there were probably more than two men in the entire world of football that might have been considered for this job, and who might have been better at it.

I can also tell you that a manager should play to his side's strengths rather than impose a new system upon it, which his players are ill-equipped to play. You admit that we haven't got the personnel to play Houllier's attractive, intelligent passing game. So why can't you admit that trying to play this way with the wrong players has been a failure of management? You don't try to make a cup of coffee with a tea bag.   

If you fundamentally do not believe in kick and rush football, you're not going to just go along with it now are you? Lots of people have been crying out for a better brand of football at Villa Park for a while now. He's trying to do that, and it's not going to happen overnight. He needs the summer.

[BannedUserIAT]

After the way O'Neill walked, the uncertainty and injuries during KM's episode in control, the aggro when Houllier took over, his subsequent heart problems, I'd suggest next season we need to have a new manager in early, very early to take over, to ensure next season whichever league we are in is one of some stability and follows and agreed plan of action.
We most certainly don't need to keep a bloke who even if he does well may be subject to further heart problems, or to develop a situation where after a full close season we are looking in the bargain basement again for another manager when they have all been signed up.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

[sfx412]

This game was G Macs fault! Not Houlliers.

Decisions he made today which may have affected the outcome of the match are down to GM, but there's no getting away from the fact that the weaknesses and shitness of today were the same ones which have been allowed to fester all season.

Luckily those decisions got us 4 games unbeaten too until today and most likely avoided the drop, if we scrounge 2 points from somewhere.

[gti2win]

gabby a natural goalscorer ? really ? shit more like, all about pace and no end product.

No one today came out with any credit, all a bag of shit, massive clear out is required. I used to think we needed to give houllier full pre-season etc, but houllier has to go I think now, we need to get a new manager in sharpish, early june at the latest, to give full pre-season and chance of making the signings he wants.

We HAVE to get something out of the wigan game next weekend, cos we will get fuck all out of Arsenal or Liverpool.

[sfx412]

After the way O'Neill walked, the uncertainty and injuries during KM's episode in control, the aggro when Houllier took over, his subsequent heart problems, I'd suggest next season we need to have a new manager in early, very early to take over, to ensure next season whichever league we are in is one of some stability and follows and agreed plan of action.
We most certainly don't need to keep a bloke who even if he does well may be subject to further heart problems, or to develop a situation where after a full close season we are looking in the bargain basement again for another manager when they have all been signed up.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Amazed you realised it xx

[TopDeck113]

Ashley Young has morphed into a prima donna.

You've only just noticed? Have you not seen much of the Villa over the last two seasons?