Mons tribunal hearing?

[Matt C]

As above when you saw him post-match against Valencia it was obvious all wasn't well.

[KevinGage]

The players mentioned that he hadn't seemed himself all summer.
In fact Bannan went a step further and said it might have been down to not getting the Liverpool job.

[Jim Shoes]

All we know is that MON resigned but now wants compensation money off Villa??? Until we know what the "reported" truth is then we can't make a comment based of fact but it can be fun speculating.

So you start off by saying "All we know is..." then go on to state that you can only speculate.
So, which is it? You know or you speculate?

Does the series of question marks after your first statement not indicate that there's some question over whether Martin really did resign? That he's gone to a tribunal would indicate that not all is what it would seem, no?

But, you keep speculating. It's not something I do. I either know or I don't. And if I don't, I say as much.
And if I do know something, I don't share it for the attention. I share it because we're Villa fans. Some, I grant you (like myself), newer than others. But Villa fans, nonetheless.

Haha FAIL 1. The question marks clearly weren't cryptic enough for you! They were because I DIDN'T know if MON was after compensation, as for resigning as I said I'm one of the Plebs who only knows what was reported obviously you are an ITK.

FAIL 2. Are you now saying that you "share" this information because that's not what you said in your earlier posts, you are indeed a very cryptic person so much so that you have even confused yourself.

For all I know you may well be MON but I don't care who you are. I don't even care about the posters who claim to be ITK some of them are funny but the ones that piss me off are your smug type who say nothing while trying to imply they know more than anyone on the forum. Villa fan or not I "just don't like you". Hahahaha. 

[Sexual Ealing]

The players mentioned that he hadn't seemed himself all summer.
In fact Bannan went a step further and said it might have been down to not getting the Liverpool job.

Well, it's a good job that this tribunal isn't taking place in a court of law because this would be an open and shut case.

You don't turn up in the House of Lords without pretty clear evidence that people haven't seemed themselves or even that their employees consider that they might b a bit peeved because of a missed opportunity.

These tribunals really are a mockery of all it is to be a free Englishman. We already know, through our own conjectures, exactly what the details of this unreported case are. Why don't they just ask us?

[damon loves JT]

Everybody at the club is focusing on the tribunal. The board members and the lawyers both of whom are needed for contracts would be in particular affected.

Tribunals tend to be nightmares. Even if one party thinks they have a cast iron case, it doesn't mean they will win. Such is life.

When I cover a tribunal these days I try to avoid speculating on who will win. I am nearly always wrong.

[KevinGage]

The players mentioned that he hadn't seemed himself all summer.
In fact Bannan went a step further and said it might have been down to not getting the Liverpool job.

Well, it's a good job that this tribunal isn't taking place in a court of law because this would be an open and shut case.

You don't turn up in the House of Lords without pretty clear evidence that people haven't seemed themselves or even that their employees consider that they might b a bit peeved because of a missed opportunity.

These tribunals really are a mockery of all it is to be a free Englishman. We already know, through our own conjectures, exactly what the details of this unreported case are. Why don't they just ask us?

Very droll.

 You'll forgive me if I don't have a huge degree of sympathy for a bloke who had an exit strategy in place since (at least) last April.

[Concrete John]

We already know, through our own conjectures, exactly what the details of this unreported case are. Why don't they just ask us?

This is very true.  As a fan of the job MON was doing at the club I am just as pissed of as anyone else with the timing of what happened, but some take it a step further with the conspiracy theories about trying to sabotage our season.  Now I'm sure they genuinely believe this, but assumption becomes fact when tainted with the anger for the man involved.

I saw Gregnash mention a few pages back some thing that we 'know', when in fact a lot of these aren't facts, just widely held convictions and ITKs.  Could be right and could be wrong, but all we actually know thus far is as follows:-
1.  The board had concerns over the wagebill.
2.  Martin walked (and even that might be wrong given the tribunal).
3.  Both parties said they now longer agreed about how best to 'take the club forward'.

All else is conjecture and I doubt we'll hear anything startling from the tribunal.  My own personal hope is that we can put this to bed and get back to talking about the club and people who are still here.  MON seems to be a manager that divides opinion like few others, even almost a year after he left, and I think it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

[WarszaVillan]

Exactly and repeating as if it were fact that Keane and McGeady were about to be signed is laughable. We never had a clue who O'Neill was going to sign - it was the way he worked. Every pre-season people pretended that they had inside info and virtually always it was wrong. E.g. we are definitely going to sign Upson - oh look its James Collins.

[Greg N'Ash]

We already know, through our own conjectures, exactly what the details of this unreported case are. Why don't they just ask us?

This is very true.  As a fan of the job MON was doing at the club I am just as pissed of as anyone else with the timing of what happened, but some take it a step further with the conspiracy theories about trying to sabotage our season.  Now I'm sure they genuinely believe this, but assumption becomes fact when tainted with the anger for the man involved.

I saw Gregnash mention a few pages back some thing that we 'know', when in fact a lot of these aren't facts, just widely held convictions and ITKs.  Could be right and could be wrong, but all we actually know thus far is as follows:-
1.  The board had concerns over the wagebill.
2.  Martin walked (and even that might be wrong given the tribunal).
3.  Both parties said they now longer agreed about how best to 'take the club forward'.

All else is conjecture and I doubt we'll hear anything startling from the tribunal.  My own personal hope is that we can put this to bed and get back to talking about the club and people who are still here.  MON seems to be a manager that divides opinion like few others, even almost a year after he left, and I think it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

Sorry but all the things i put down as us knowing were actual statements made public either by MON or the board. Unless you're claiming they were lying. i don't see how they can't be facts.

[Concrete John]

Sorry but all the things i put down as us knowing were actual statements made public either by MON or the board. Unless you're claiming they were lying. i don't see how they can't be facts.

OK then, lets take these one at a time:-

way i see it, we KNOW MON was telling his mates in the press this time last year how he was going to sit down with Lerner, how he didn't have to do the job and how the fans were very ungrateful and if the liverpool job was available he was free come June etc etc...

So you've got these conversations taped or a direct quote on MON saying he wanted the Liverpool job?  I'm sure you'll come back with the Barry Bannan thing, but do you really think MON confided in him or was he just passing on dressing room rumours?
 

At the same time we KNOW Randy was worried about the wage bill and wanted it lowered

I'll give you that one via the General's comments.

We KNOW MON agreed to stay following his meeting with Lerner as he was still here in August and putting the finishing touches to the disaster that was Ireland's transfer

How do we know what involvement he had with that or whether he wanted Ireland or not.  It has been suggested he did, but again is this not just vague ITKs?

Given those circumstances i'm guessing Milner off the wages budget and Ireland on hadn't probably lowered it, more likely raised it.

As far as I know Ireland signed for the same wage Milner was on with a pay off from City making up the difference.

MON wants to add Keane and the other dullard to the wage bill, and the club baulk at allowing these transfers to go through while the squad is still full of overpaid deadwood.

Again, there was paper speculation on these signings but never a single quote from the club, MON, the selling clubs or agents about the transfer.  I'll be honest and say it's quite likely, but we don't KNOW it.

So basically the only 100% fact you've raised is Randy's desire to lower the wagebill. 

[Greg N'Ash]

erm.... the MON stuff i mentioned is from interviews with the guy himself with quotes i might add, so unless he was bullshitting i don't see your arguement. he said he might leave, he said he was having a meeting with lerner. the rest was questimation and supposition and never had the "know" before it.

[Concrete John]

erm.... the MON stuff i mentioned is from interviews with the guy himself with quotes i might add, so unless he was bullshitting i don't see your arguement. he said he might leave, he said he was having a meeting with lerner. the rest was questimation and supposition and never had the "know" before it.

OK.  Thanks for clarifying that you 'know' very little.

[Greg N'Ash]

Your inability to read a post properly is hardly my fault old chap.

[Concrete John]

Your inability to read a post properly is hardly my fault old chap.

Your ability to present opinion as fact is a great skill though.

[Greg N'Ash]

As i've already pointed out john, the three points were i said "know" were from public utterances from the manager or board.  Anything else you believe i claimed i know is in your own imagination. As usual.