Mons tribunal hearing?

[dave.woodhall]

And as we saw with Roeder, because a coach isn't employed permanently by one club doesn't mean he's not earning.

[dave.woodhall]

Anybody else thought that maybe MON's fighting for adequate payouts not just for him but all his staff who walked with him too?

They didn't have to. In fact, the entire team walking out en masse left us more in the shit than he did.

They came as a team, if MON felt aggrieved then I am sure they shared it so it's no surprise that they stuck together. Just as if the manager had been sacked they'd have been shown the door too.

I think Willie Anderson has probably got it about right.

Any chance of any proof with that one?

Proof?

Why single out my bit of speculation when the whole thread contains nothing but?

Because it was my post you were disagreeing with?

[Smoke]

Anybody else thought that maybe MON's fighting for adequate payouts not just for him but all his staff who walked with him too?

They didn't have to. In fact, the entire team walking out en masse left us more in the shit than he did.

They came as a team, if MON felt aggrieved then I am sure they shared it so it's no surprise that they stuck together. Just as if the manager had been sacked they'd have been shown the door too.

I think Willie Anderson has probably got it about right.

Any chance of any proof with that one?

Proof?

Why single out my bit of speculation when the whole thread contains nothing but?

Because it was my post you were disagreeing with?

Proof? PROOF? YOU WANT PROOF?


You can't handle the Proof!

[nodge]

Anybody else thought that maybe MON's fighting for adequate payouts not just for him but all his staff who walked with him too?

They didn't have to. In fact, the entire team walking out en masse left us more in the shit than he did.

They came as a team, if MON felt aggrieved then I am sure they shared it so it's no surprise that they stuck together. Just as if the manager had been sacked they'd have been shown the door too.

I think Willie Anderson has probably got it about right.

Any chance of any proof with that one?

Proof?

Why single out my bit of speculation when the whole thread contains nothing but?

Because it was my post you were disagreeing with?

Have you got any proof that they didn't have to walk out?

[KevinGage]

From MON's perspective surely its easy to buy players than sell them & I'm sure he would have wanted replacements lined up before he got rid of anyone.

I mean in what industry do you sack a portion of your workforce & THEN put an advert inthe paper to replace them?

Ya think?  Where were you between 2006-2010?  (winky effort)
The above scenario played out on more than one occasion.

[Ian.]

I get pissed off with many things every day at work, if I walk now without the right procedures I aint getting no tribunal.
In fact I do want to leave and will leave soon, as soon as my mortgage is sorted I will inform my employers and give them four weeks notice. I have already told my work mates I'm off to help prepare them (as mates).

I enjoyed his time with us, for the most part. I thought he was a man of integrity. I was wrong. Randy backed him well, we as fans pretty much backed him well. Leaving when he did is no way to pay back Aston Villa FC and it's fans.

[Ian.]

Also while I'm having a rant, who (or have I just imagined this) refunded the fans back who went all the way to Vienna after fielding the weakened team? I presume it did not come out of MON's pocket.
If this tribunal costs Villa any money I hope he gets the Birmingham City job one day and rots in hell, or maybe gets to work alongside those muppets at West Ham and yo yo's up and down the league with them.

Rant over.

[Greg N'Ash]

way i see it, we KNOW MON was telling his mates in the press this time last year how he was going to sit down with Lerner, how he didn't have to do the job and how the fans were very ungrateful and if the liverpool job was available he was free come June etc etc...

At the same time we KNOW Randy was worried about the wage bill and wanted it lowered

We KNOW MON agreed to stay following his meeting with Lerner as he was still here in August and putting the finishing touches to the disaster that was Ireland's transfer

Given those circumstances i'm guessing Milner off the wages budget and Ireland on hadn't probably lowered it, more likely raised it.

MON wants to add Keane and the other dullard to the wage bill, and the club baulk at allowing these transfers to go through while the squad is still full of overpaid deadwood.

And quite right too.

[KevinGage]

Aye.

"You want to sign McGeady when we already have three decent wingers on the books?"  would also be a perfectly reasonable question for the powers at be to ask.

[mortimers beard]

What pisses me off more than anything about this whole fucking mess, and the shit he left us in, is that it is still affecting the club today. I heard Brad Friedel talking to Collymore on the radio this afternoon and basically his contract talks are on hold until the tribunal is sorted. HE IS NOT EVEN AT OUR CLUB ANYMORE AND HE IS STILL AFFECTING DECISIONS!!! Why is this affecting the contract talks, i dont know, if anyone does, then please say, Im just a bit thick!

[TheSandman]

Everybody at the club is focusing on the tribunal. The board members and the lawyers both of whom are needed for contracts would be in particular affected.

[gervilla]

Aye.

"You want to sign McGeady when we already have three decent wingers on the books?"  would also be a perfectly reasonable question for the powers at be to ask.

You forgot the " and he's is absolutely crap" part of that sentence.

[Lizz]

Everybody at the club is focusing on the tribunal. The board members and the lawyers both of whom are needed for contracts would be in particular affected.

Tribunals tend to be nightmares. Even if one party thinks they have a cast iron case, it doesn't mean they will win. Such is life.

[pauliewalnuts]

What pisses me off more than anything about this whole fucking mess, and the shit he left us in, is that it is still affecting the club today. I heard Brad Friedel talking to Collymore on the radio this afternoon and basically his contract talks are on hold until the tribunal is sorted. HE IS NOT EVEN AT OUR CLUB ANYMORE AND HE IS STILL AFFECTING DECISIONS!!! Why is this affecting the contract talks, i dont know, if anyone does, then please say, Im just a bit thick!

Well, although I find that incredibly hard to believe, if it is true, thats the club's fault.

What possible ramifications could the outcome of a tribunal hearing have on a contract renewal for a member of the playing staff?

[pauliewalnuts]

This is how I see it:-

RL had requested/ordered MON to reduce the wage & at the same time told PF that no money out until deadwood sold, fair enough.

MON realises he has to balance the books but at the same time strengthen the squad, therefore organises the McGeady & Keane deals.

PF acting on RL's instructions blocks the deal. MON views this as interference in playing matters spits his dummy out & walks.

Had RL been in the UK at the time I think a compromise could have been reached. McGeady & Keane signed with the proviso that Sidwell, NRC et al would be sold asap.

As I recall, Randy was in Brum, left on the Saturday thinking everything was fine. On the next day MON gets all his staff to agree to quit and hands in his resignation on the Monday morning to PF, who then calls a very shocked Randy Lerner.

My guess is MON realised he'd been found out:

He acknowledged that some Villa fans were not happy and beginning to question his decisions.
He knew he didn't have the appetite to carry on for another season, especially having been linked to the Liverpool job.
He realised he was going to look rather foolish when Lerner saw the resale value of his purchases.
He knew that if he left when he did he'd still have his reputation intact.
He knew he had a ready made excuse he could give his mates in the press
He knew the timing of his resignation would likely mean Villa would struggle to hit 6th place again.
He knew he'd soon be offered a new job.

His body language at the Valencia friendly was very odd.

For starters, it ws the first time I'd ever seen him in a suit at a Villa game. Wasn't he also up in the stands?