Mons tribunal hearing?

[rjp]

What a load of Bullshit, why would an ex employee affect key decisions involving Aston Villa

I'd guess it's because the people who will need to decide those key decisions are distracted by appearing at the tribunal.  If that's true then I'm happy to wait a bit if it means that they are 100% focused on what is probably the biggest decision we'll face in a while.

[VillaZogmariner]

I don't think some realise just how close we got to qualifying for Champions League. Were it not for career-ending injuries to Laursen and Bouma I think it's as close to 'nailed-on' as you can get. And, without those injuries, a lot lower net spend as well.

We got damned close. There were a couple of other factors that didn't help either, the biggest one being the signing of Heskey in the January. We then changed the way we played with the signing of Heskey, and also lost momentum after Moscow/Everton in the FA Cup (Another match where MoN put out a weaker side that people forget about).

I still believe that had MoN been a bit more savvy with his squad (making a couple of changes to the team to give players a rest over the course of the season) that we'd have finished top 4.

[TheSandman]

I don't think some realise just how close we got to qualifying for Champions League. Were it not for career-ending injuries to Laursen and Bouma I think it's as close to 'nailed-on' as you can get. And, without those injuries, a lot lower net spend as well.

We got damned close. There were a couple of other factors that didn't help either, the biggest one being the signing of Heskey in the January. We then changed the way we played with the signing of Heskey, and also lost momentum after Moscow/Everton in the FA Cup (Another match where MoN put out a weaker side that people forget about).

I still believe that had MoN been a bit more savvy with his squad (making a couple of changes to the team to give players a rest over the course of the season) that we'd have finished top 4.

Agree which is what makes it all the more frustrating.

[Clampy]

What a load of Bullshit, why would an ex employee affect key decisions involving Aston Villa

I'd guess it's because the people who will need to decide those key decisions are distracted by appearing at the tribunal.

I'd like to think that after the poor season we've had, the people making the decisions would have already made up their mind.

[rjp]

What a load of Bullshit, why would an ex employee affect key decisions involving Aston Villa

I'd guess it's because the people who will need to decide those key decisions are distracted by appearing at the tribunal.

I'd like to think that after the poor season we've had, the people making the decisions would have already made up their mind.

I take your point, I feel confident that they've got a list of targets if GH is to be replaced (which is by no means 100%) however if you take someone like Moyes (who has been touted by a few on here) then do you think he'd even contemplate getting into serious negotiations with us before the end of the season?  Stranger things have happened in football I suppose.

[JackH]

Interesting that the tribunal is 'looking at the termination of his contract'. What exactly is their to look into? He left didn't he. Unless there is something we don't know about...

I don't think any manager would have a contract permitting him to spend all the money he liked so I doubt it is to do with that.

I've not read all of this thread but is this the general consensus on here? That he 'left'?
Um, how else can I say this without saying this...that's not quite right.

Yeah, that's probably the best way.

[Villa'Zawg]

Interesting that the tribunal is 'looking at the termination of his contract'. What exactly is their to look into? He left didn't he. Unless there is something we don't know about...

I don't think any manager would have a contract permitting him to spend all the money he liked so I doubt it is to do with that.

I've not read all of this thread but is this the general consensus on here? That he 'left'?
Um, how else can I say this without saying this...that's not quite right.

Yeah, that's probably the best way.

What do you think might have happened?

[JackH]

I've learned my lessons from the corner-pissers on here and will remain cryptic in my posts.
That way, you can read into them whatever the hell you like.

My post is what it is.

[Scott Nielsen]

I've learned my lessons from the corner-pissers on here and will remain cryptic in my posts.
That way, you can read into them whatever the hell you like.

Then why bother posting?

[Jim Shoes]

I've learned my lessons from the corner-pissers on here and will remain cryptic in my posts.
That way, you can read into them whatever the hell you like.

Then why bother posting?

My guess is for attention, I'm soooo important that I know more than you do or just more of the ITK rubbish that gets spouted. Who care though? life's too short and anyway and I have learnt from experience that 99% of what I'm told is true is just BS so let the cryptic genus feel all powerful while us mere plebs enjoy ourselves being in the dark.

All we know is that MON resigned but now wants compensation money off Villa??? Until we know what the "reported" truth is then we can't make a comment based of fact but it can be fun speculating.

I have no idea why this tribunal is holding up making a decision on Hollier unless the club are concerned that they might end up before another tribunal if they make a mistake with standing down Hollier and want to make sure it's done right. Whatever happens I hope that this doesn't drag on.

[pauliewalnuts]

He did a decent job.

He bought some good players.

He bought some shit players.

He was profligate with some of the contacts he handed out

The board should maybe have been less trusting in that sense, but they weren't stupid enough to say"you decide the budget", I can't believe anyone thinks that.

He was asked to work on the wage bill - just like any other manager has to - but he decided he was too big for that and fucked off at the worst possible moment for us.

Did an ok job, then shat on us.

The only thing I would add is that he never addressed the problem of why we were excellent for 7 moths then ran out of steam

Excellent? Excellent in getting results but overall the football was as disjointed as it gets. The only interesting thing was guessing which 45 minutes we were going to turn up. He did a good job when he first arrived but in hindsight I'd have looked to have seen him replaced after his first two seasons, given the job to somebody that could not just motivate and also knew a thing or two about tactics. Villa Park was never going to be a happy place with MON's football style.

Oops! Sorry, just read your post again and have to agree, we were excellent for 7 moths.

Sixth place was never going to get him sacked,.Mark.

I found watching us play under him to be a largely tedious experience, but the results ee there. It would have taken a season of tedious football AND poor results to justify sacking him.

One thing I will say is that it is probably for the best we didn't make the CL, it would have been embarrassing watching his unsophisticated football tried at that level

[JackH]

All we know is that MON resigned but now wants compensation money off Villa??? Until we know what the "reported" truth is then we can't make a comment based of fact but it can be fun speculating.

So you start off by saying "All we know is..." then go on to state that you can only speculate.
So, which is it? You know or you speculate?

Does the series of question marks after your first statement not indicate that there's some question over whether Martin really did resign? That he's gone to a tribunal would indicate that not all is what it would seem, no?

But, you keep speculating. It's not something I do. I either know or I don't. And if I don't, I say as much.
And if I do know something, I don't share it for the attention. I share it because we're Villa fans. Some, I grant you (like myself), newer than others. But Villa fans, nonetheless.

[Concrete John]

I still believe that had MoN been a bit more savvy with his squad (making a couple of changes to the team to give players a rest over the course of the season) that we'd have finished top 4.

I do think his management of the squad, both in terms of who was in it and how he distributed the finances, was a weakness.

What I mean by that was he built an excellent first team and got them winning games, which isn't as easy as it sounds in the PL.  However, behind that he wanted experienced players on wages similar to the first 11 that he'd then use in emergencies and that was unsustainable.  Instead what we needed was to have the kids taking some of those places (such as no Beye and use Lichaj) to either save money, or allow it to be used on the first team instead, and have a few more overseas 'punts', which again would have been cheaper. 

I suppose it's really a abalancing act as the more you spend on the first team the less you have for the rest of the squad and vice versa.  Especially in terms of wages we got that balance wrong.  So he bought good players and had a very useful 1st team, but what was behind that had less thought put into it and needed a rethink.   

[Willie Anderson]

This is how I see it:-

RL had requested/ordered MON to reduce the wage & at the same time told PF that no money out until deadwood sold, fair enough.

MON realises he has to balance the books but at the same time strengthen the squad, therefore organises the McGeady & Keane deals.

PF acting on RL's instructions blocks the deal. MON views this as interference in playing matters spits his dummy out & walks.

Had RL been in the UK at the time I think a compromise could have been reached. McGeady & Keane signed with the proviso that Sidwell, NRC et al would be sold asap.

From MON's perspective surely its easy to buy players than sell them & I'm sure he would have wanted replacements lined up before he got rid of anyone.

I mean in what industry do you sack a portion of your workforce & THEN put an advert inthe paper to replace them? Surely you interview a few prospective candidates & inquire to their availability before you leave yourself shorthanded?

What if MON had sold Sidwell & NRC in haste( presumably at a loss) then the McGeady/Keane deals fell through? Surely you increase the size of your squad & then prune it?

I see no right or wrong here both MON & PF working to their own percieved remits but at cross-purposes.

Yes MON left us in the lurch, but if there was no transfer budget what could he do? I'm sure we couldn't have sold players in the five days remaining until the start of the season.

I'm sure MON's stance will be interference in playing matters = constructive dismissal,The boards stance is there was no transfer kitty & he walked.Yet months later £18M was available. I can't see any result be a MON win(IMO).Presumably the club will not negotiate a new managers contract until the result of this tribunal is heard not wishing to be caught out by any clauses again.

Similarly any new manager(David Moyes is the name I keep hearing in the strongest terms) will want his remit clearly defined before committing pen to paper & will also want to review the outcome of the tribunal.

In my ideal world MON did not walk we bought McGeady & Keane, we sold Sidwell, NRC, Habib Beye,John Carew, Emile Heskey.

We finished sixth again!

However, if we start next season with David Moyes & Darren Bent at the club, result!

[sfx412]

General K led me to believe Mon quit, he was not sacked. I have no idea why he has gone to tribunal other than to say I gather from the press that all other means of mediation failed. I assume the mediation was to finalise a settlement figure.
My assessment of Mon is that he is a controlling pedant who will do his best to ensure his reputation is unblemished and he will have taken this action under the best possible advice and be more than confident he will come out at the end smelling good.
My assessment of the Villa management is that they are, in no way, a match for him especially in such circumstances. There recent past tribunals were not covered in glory.
As to why there will be no major announcement on the Managers position can only be due to the Board having some expectation of illfavoured publicity from the tribunal conclusion which they do not want to detract from the Managerial announcement.
Yet again the mighty Mon is fcking with Villa.s future.