Mons tribunal hearing?

[kipeye]

Had MoN stayed on do I think we'd be where we are now in the table? No

Had MoN quit 5 days after last season finished do I think we'd be where we are now in the table? No

Do I think our current position is entirely MoN's fault? Not entirely, but his inactivity during last summer in trying to get rid of deadwood and his actions of leaving when he did have had a big say in it.

What Bazza said.

[TheSandman]

Had MoN stayed on do I think we'd be where we are now in the table? No

Had MoN quit 5 days after last season finished do I think we'd be where we are now in the table? No

Do I think our current position is entirely MoN's fault? Not entirely, but his inactivity during last summer in trying to get rid of deadwood and his actions of leaving when he did have had a big say in it.

Agreed.

[Clampy]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

[VillaZogmariner]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

That is true, but you also have to factor that the teams we were competing with last season strengthened their squads, whereas ours became weaker in the Summer. And that is no fault of Houllier's.

[TheSandman]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

Yes but if MoN never left or if he had the decency to leave at a less spiteful time we wouldn't have been looking at appointing Houllier or Curbishley.

[damon loves JT]

OK, if he enters an early plea I will settle for hanging.

[Clampy]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

That is true, but you also have to factor that the teams we were competing with last season strengthened their squads, whereas ours became weaker in the Summer. And that is no fault of Houllier's.

Yes the squad became weaker (1 player less i might add) but was it really weak enough to pick up 19 points less than last season?

[VillaZogmariner]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

That is true, but you also have to factor that the teams we were competing with last season strengthened their squads, whereas ours became weaker in the Summer. And that is no fault of Houllier's.

Yes the squad became weaker (1 player less i might add) but was it really weak enough to pick up 19 points less than last season?

No it wasn't.

The upheaval of all that happened when MoN left and the horrendous injuries we have had for chunks of the season have contributed to that too though. Not 19 points worth, but I'd say at least 12 points worth.

[Grande Pablo]

Had MON have stayed we'd not have Darren Bent.  I think I really prefer the latter, no matter how poor this season has been.

[Sexual Ealing]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

That is true, but you also have to factor that the teams we were competing with last season strengthened their squads, whereas ours became weaker in the Summer. And that is no fault of Houllier's.

Yes the squad became weaker (1 player less i might add) but was it really weak enough to pick up 19 points less than last season?

No it wasn't.

The upheaval of all that happened when MoN left and the horrendous injuries we have had for chunks of the season have contributed to that too though. Not 19 points worth, but I'd say at least 12 points worth.

I'd love to know what equation you're using for that.

[Ian.]

MON never had to deal with a major injury crisis either, well nothing like the one we had. I do wonder how he would have coped. It was the older heads who was out of form during this period and we needed them in form to help the youngster coming through. They lost their form at the end of last season and it carried on into this one.

All ifs and buts I know but I do believe whoever was in charge this season it would have not been much different. GH has not had it easy from the start. I blame the senior pros more than I blame GH.

[Holy Trinity]

Like it's already been said, despite the lack of transfer activity in pre-season (and even then we were only one player down on last season, albeit a very good one) GH was left with a squad of players that he should have done a whole lot better with.

That is true, but you also have to factor that the teams we were competing with last season strengthened their squads, whereas ours became weaker in the Summer. And that is no fault of Houllier's.

Yes the squad became weaker (1 player less i might add) but was it really weak enough to pick up 19 points less than last season?

09/10 final points                 10/11 1 to play
chelsea 86                             71      15 less
man u 85                                77      8 less
arse 75                                    67      7 less
spurs 70                                  59       11 less
man city 67                               68        1 more
Us 64                                       45        19 less

the only team challenging at the top who made more points this season spent close to 200 million doing it! 
very bad season from us but everyone at the top is averaging 8 points less to be fair

[hawkeye]

For MON to persue this, he must believe that he has an un reconciled grievance with the club.
There can only be 2 motivations
1. Cash
2. Ego
Take your pick

[Sexual Ealing]

For MON to persue this, he must believe that he has an un reconciled grievance with the club.
There can only be 2 motivations
1. Cash
2. Ego
Take your pick

3. To be paid what he's contractually obliged to receive (if, of course, he is contractually obliged)
4. To clear his name following the 'bottling' assumption (similar caveat to above)
5. An unknown, currently unknowable reason

[atomicjam]

O'Neill dispute delays decision on Houllier's Aston Villa future
• Houllier's position could remain unclear into June
• Tribunal looking at termination of O'Neill's employment

Aston Villa will delay making a decision on Gérard Houllier's future until the club's dispute with its former manager, Martin O'Neill, has been resolved.

A Premier League managers' arbitration tribunal was due to get under way on Thursday to look into the circumstances surrounding the termination of O'Neill's employment with the club, which ended in August last year when he resigned from his post as manager, five days before the start of the season.

There is no deadline for when the ruling of the arbitration tribunal will be announced and it could go on for at least a week, raising the prospect that Houllier's position will remain unclear at the start of June.

The Frenchman is recuperating at home, after he spent eight days in hospital last month with chest pain that was diagnosed as a dissection of the descending aorta. Although his future is a pressing matter, it is understood that Villa have decided that any significant decisions at the club should be put on hold until there is a ruling in the O'Neill dispute.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/20/oneill-dispute-houllier-aston-villa