Villa supporters turn up heat on Houllier

[eastie]

I think McClaren gets a raw deal from those who judged him solely on his stint for England

Opening myself up to ridicule here, but I agree.

Not that he'd be my first choice for Villa, just that he's nowhere near as bad as he's been painted in the media.

Trouble is, I couldn't bear the thought of him giving interview to Pat Murphy in some kind of dodgy West Midland accent

His record is not too bad in honesty but he wouldnt be on my 5 man shortlist , it would be , coyle, moyes , jol, hughes and grayson.

[Chico Hamilton III]

His record is not too bad in honesty but he wouldnt be on my 5 man shortlist , it would be , coyle, moyes , jol, hughes and grayson

a fair shortlist

Except for Hughes, in my opinion, who I think is as overrated as McLaren is underrated.

[nuninho]

Grayson is a good shout, but would he leave Leeds to come here?  Hate to say it, but if relegated, whats the difference?  2 Fallen giants.

[eastie]

Grayson is a good shout, but would he leave Leeds to come here?  Hate to say it, but if relegated, whats the difference?  2 Fallen giants.

oh nuninho, you heartbreaker , youve gone and mentioned the R word!

[nuninho]

Sorry!

[pauliewalnuts]

Grayson is a good shout, but would he leave Leeds to come here?  Hate to say it, but if relegated, whats the difference?  2 Fallen giants.

What's the difference?

Christ, where to start.

[hawkeye]

Why has he introduced these rules now, what the fk has been going on all season.


I can see no point whatsoever in protesting now, surely we want the team to stay up.

[E I Adio]

Please remind who exactly appointed the current manager? if you are saying the current manager is to blame , do you not therefore think the man who appointed him or had a big say in it is also to blame?

what do i expect PF  to do? Appoint a manager to take the club forwards to be quite frank.
E I  aDIO , if you happy with PF  and the job hes done that is your choice .

Ah, who to blame. So you are saying that the appointment of GH was the sole choice of PF and what has happened subsequently shows that he is to blame and out of his depth.

This might stand up if GH had been seen as an incompetent choice but his record gave no indication that this was the case. The fact that GH is still with us is also presumably PF's decision, but when you are a CEO you need to have balls despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[nuninho]

Grayson is a good shout, but would he leave Leeds to come here?  Hate to say it, but if relegated, whats the difference?  2 Fallen giants.

What's the difference?

Christ, where to start.

I was referring to Grayson, a Leeds fan.  Whilst we all know the difference would he?

[kippaxvilla2]

I said we should have got Grayson when MO'N left.

[eastie]

Please remind who exactly appointed the current manager? if you are saying the current manager is to blame , do you not therefore think the man who appointed him or had a big say in it is also to blame?

what do i expect PF  to do? Appoint a manager to take the club forwards to be quite frank.
E I  aDIO , if you happy with PF  and the job hes done that is your choice .

Ah, who to blame. So you are saying that the appointment of GH was the sole choice of PF and what has happened subsequently shows that he is to blame and out of his depth.

This might stand up if GH had been seen as an incompetent choice but his record gave no indication that this was the case. The fact that GH is still with us is also presumably PF's decision, but when you are a CEO you need to have balls despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Not all blame lies at faulkners door, but along with randy, ged,mon and the players he is far from blameless.

As for having the balls, it takes more balls to admit things are wrong and hold your hands up and put them right, you e i adio seem happy with him so thats your choice.
we must agree to differ in our opinion of things.

[Concrete John]

This might stand up if GH had been seen as an incompetent choice but his record gave no indication that this was the case. The fact that GH is still with us is also presumably PF's decision, but when you are a CEO you need to have balls despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I agree to an extent. 

For instance when a manager buys a player everyone is happy with (for example Bent) then that has to be remembered when the inevitable calling for his head comes if that signing doesn't work out.  The difference here is that NOBODY was talking about Gezza as the right man for the job at the time.  Yes, some looked on the bright side once he came and bought into the presumed logic behind the club's decision, but he was far from seen as the 'right' man by anyone outside the board.

I think they were right to back him in January and to not pull the trigger now, but ultimately they need to review his first season come the summer and ask as honestly and objectively as they can "Is this working?"

I don't think it is.   

[E I Adio]

Please remind who exactly appointed the current manager? if you are saying the current manager is to blame , do you not therefore think the man who appointed him or had a big say in it is also to blame?

what do i expect PF  to do? Appoint a manager to take the club forwards to be quite frank.
E I  aDIO , if you happy with PF  and the job hes done that is your choice .

Ah, who to blame. So you are saying that the appointment of GH was the sole choice of PF and what has happened subsequently shows that he is to blame and out of his depth.

This might stand up if GH had been seen as an incompetent choice but his record gave no indication that this was the case. The fact that GH is still with us is also presumably PF's decision, but when you are a CEO you need to have balls despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Not all blame lies at faulkners door, but along with randy, ged,mon and the players he is far from blameless.

As for having the balls, it takes more balls to admit things are wrong and hold your hands up and put them right, you e i adio seem happy with him so thats your choice.
we must agree to differ in our opinion of things.

I can't say that I'm happy or unhappy with him individually, since I just don't know enough to make that type of decision. This doesn't mean I'm happy with the position we're in obviously, but my point is, we don't know that PF hasn't admitted that he made a mistake and has now made the decision to stick with him until the end of the season as the alternative would be worse. The fact is that we just don't know the facts, which was my original point.

[pauliewalnuts]

Grayson is a good shout, but would he leave Leeds to come here?  Hate to say it, but if relegated, whats the difference?  2 Fallen giants.

What's the difference?

Christ, where to start.

I was referring to Grayson, a Leeds fan.  Whilst we all know the difference would he?

I'd imagine he can work out the difference between working for Randy Lerner and working for Ken Bates plus a handful of mysterious figures who refuse to be identified.

[Toronto Villa]

  There is an unbelievable amount of people on here that are dying for us to lose the next game just so they can come on and rant for days on end. However, it appears that some of you actually are wallowing in this, wanting the situation to get worse. Just so you can say once again what a complete wanker Houllier is and how the club is a complete disaster.

What a load of bollocks. I want Houiller gone, we're 1 point off relegation in case you had'nt noticed, but i want us to win up at Everton next week to help get ourselves out of it and i think you'll find the majority of people on here do too.

is it bollocks? Do you think a protest will serve any purpose? Those are the people who are dying for us to lose because it only adds support to their agenda. I'm not contesting whether people have an opinion on Houllier. I'm stating that a protest will be entirely counter productive.