Sack the Manager?

[Eigentor]

Maybe some players would think that some of the rules are a bit petty, but is it wrong to expect people earning £50000+ to get on with it rather than start a mutiny? And is it wrong to hope that underperforming football players on fat contracts will show some discipline and obey the rules rather than seek (legal) advice on whether they have to follow them?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.

Ha, ha.

I didn't get where I am today by referring to people by their christian names.

We never addressed each other by christian names at our school. Never. Surnames or nicknames.

I went to school with a lot of wankers, mind.

The teachers at our school always sarcastically called you MISTER Fletcher.
They were very poor teachers though, hence me frequenting a Villa forum all day.

[Concrete John]

Aside from the fact that these sort of stories need to be taken with a large pinch of salt, I imagine the reason a lot of players wouldn't respond to strict rules and dictats from this management is that they are completely dis-chuffed with the unravelling disaster that is Le Gaffeur's reign. If we were doing well then it wouldn't be an issue. But take a really shit manager who appears clueless as to what he's doing, throw in a few seemingly petty rules and you've got a mutiny on your hands. The whole thing stinks and it's emanating primarily from the manager's office, for god's sake GO Gerard.

Very true.

We can say what we like about his methods and whether the players are being unprofessional by moaning about them, but if you look at what's served up on the pitch it's clear that these methods are not working.

[Dave Cooper please]

its not the rules that im worried about its all the players that want to leave

Well apparently, according to you and many others, we are as good as down anyway so we will need to ship some high earners out. Might as well piss them off a bit for good measure.

[Phil from the upper holte]

If it is true then do we want these trouble makers at our club?

When the going gets tough, the tough get going not just fuck off somewhere else.

These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!

[Dave Cooper please]

I am sick to the back teeth of all this shit coming out of Houllier's/players mouths about the club I love.

I see no quotes.

[Dave Cooper please]

Morale Smith.

Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?

I have, spent a few years as an NCO doing just that.

Wouldn't like to have many of you whimpering jibbers in the same trench mind.

[eastie]

Morale Smith.

Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?

I have, spent a few years as an NCO doing just that.

Wouldn't like to have many of you whimpering jibbers in the same trench mind.

the thing is some need a cuddle and to be built up while others need a kick up the arse , its knowing which respond best to which , beating everyone with a big stick definately will not work,

[Concrete John]

These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!

For some, and probably most, that may be the case, but when a lad like Gabby who is Brummie born and came through the ranks has issues I think it shows something deeper is wrong than the usual modern player apathy.

That's presuming it's right, of course.

[Greg N'Ash]

Aside from the fact that these sort of stories need to be taken with a large pinch of salt, I imagine the reason a lot of players wouldn't respond to strict rules and dictats from this management is that they are completely dis-chuffed with the unravelling disaster that is Le Gaffeur's reign. If we were doing well then it wouldn't be an issue. But take a really shit manager who appears clueless as to what he's doing, throw in a few seemingly petty rules and you've got a mutiny on your hands. The whole thing stinks and it's emanating primarily from the manager's office, for god's sake GO Gerard.

Very true.

We can say what we like about his methods and whether the players are being unprofessional by moaning about them, but if you look at what's served up on the pitch it's clear that these methods are not working.

surely the players have to attempt to impliment them for them to work - on a few occassions this season they have worked and we've looked half decent. the bottom line is the chairman appoints a manager and then the manager decides the training and tactics. If his training consists of forcing the players to do riverdance for 40 minutes then thats his call. We can moan about the tactics all we like which is our right, and if the chairman is unhappy he can sack him, but as for the players, they should shut the fuck up and get on with it

[Pete Green]

These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!

For some, and probably most, that may be the case, but when a lad like Gabby who is Brummie born and came through the ranks has issues I think it shows something deeper is wrong than the usual modern player apathy.

That's presuming it's right, of course.

Agree, the most distressing aspect of that piece is the mention of Gabby. Players come and go, we accept that, but if Houllier becomes the man who drove away this aspiring one-club Brummie who idolises his club, then I'll hate him forever. It takes a special kind of twat to pull that off.

[Concrete John]

surely the players have to attempt to impliment them for them to work - on a few occassions this season they have worked and we've looked half decent. the bottom line is the chairman appoints a manager and then the manager decides the training and tactics. If his training consists of forcing the players to do riverdance for 40 minutes then thats his call. We can moan about the tactics all we like which is our right, and if the chairman is unhappy he can sack him, but as for the players, they should shut the fuck up and get on with it

But is the problem that they're not doing what he asks, both on and of the pitch, or that they are and we're still losing more often than not. 

My own view is the latter and that if what he was doing was getting us to win football matches we wouldn't be hearing any discontent coming from the camp.

[TimTheVillain]

These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!

For some, and probably most, that may be the case, but when a lad like Gabby who is Brummie born and came through the ranks has issues I think it shows something deeper is wrong than the usual modern player apathy.

That's presuming it's right, of course.

Playing him out of position ( when he plays) must be hacking him off massively.

Then he gets to Training and is ordered to put his mobile phone in his locker, and woe betide him if he doesn't.

He must be wondering what's happened to the club he loves, the club he's supported like we do and the one with whom he signed a long term contract with recently.

I'm sure it will all come out in the end.

We all want our club to pull through, but, unlike being in the army or the like, we are totally powerless - we can't change a thing.

We all know that the 'back the club whoever's in charge' mantra is totally correct - it's just that we can't see him (GH) pulling it off, which is hard to take.

[Greg N'Ash]

well if gabby is driven away by the simple rules of not using your mobile in the dressing room, and not contacting the chairman personally and undermining the manager then i'd say he doesn't particulary idolise the club. I mean its hardly a reign of terror is it?

[eastie]

well if gabby is driven away by the simple rules of not using your mobile in the dressing room, and not contacting the chairman personally and undermining the manager then i'd say he doesn't particulary idolise the club. I mean its hardly a reign of terror is it?

i would hope hes more pissed off at being out of the team than not using his mobile .