Sack the Manager?

[TonyD]

Things that embarrass me as a Villa fan:  being in a relegation scrap after challenging for Europe three years running.  Everything our manager says and does.  Losing at home to Wolves.  Reading all the stuff about the "team-bonding" trip.  General Krulak never learning and having his words twisted by the media for the umpteenth time this season.  Paul Faulkner.  The thought of playing away at Doncaster next season with Blues possibly still being in the Premier League and definitely playing in Europe.

Things that I think are a bit misguided but not really that embarrassing in the grand scheme of things: some eejit hanging a flag up for 10 minutes saying what most people are thinking, and a handful of divs on Facebook giving it the big 'un despite knowing full well that any sort of demonstration on Saturday will fizzle out before they even get out of the pub (or more likely, sweetshop).

Spot on.

[Risso]

The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.

We are a big club in crisis though.

[Jimbo]

We're only seen as a 'big club' when we're in crisis.

[JJ-AV]

Sack him in May after he's kept us up.

The we undertake a purge to rid the club of him, Dunne, Collins, both Youngs, Beye, Warnock, Friedel, the current coaching staff and Carew.

Sell them, sack them, shoot them- it makes no difference.

My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway). But say we went for Coyle or Moyes - they wouldn't be too happy being told the club already have the wheels in motion to sell 5 or 6 international players and they must quickly identify targets to replace them...

[glasses]

'My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway).'

Why is that a worry? If the new manager gets them playing better, and we start winning games, why is it a worry that they are given a clean slate?

[Dave Cooper please]

The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.

We are a big club in crisis though.

Yes we are, but there's no need to hand the media our cuntness on a plate is there?

[Risso]

The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.

We are a big club in crisis though.

Yes we are, but there's no need to hand the media our cuntness on a plate is there?

I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment.  I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.

[JUAN PABLO]

Actually it's SAM, 24, From MANCHESTER

and she has a lovely rack

what have I missed ?         

[JUAN PABLO]

Wiki, 'are you coopers, are you coopers , are you coopers in disguise'?

Only joking !

Did he really get banned from just wanting sex with Beckford,    a bit harsh..

[hawkeye]

Actually it's SAM, 24, From MANCHESTER

and she has a lovely rack

what have I missed ?         

Plot Lost

[JUAN PABLO]

'My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway).'

Why is that a worry? If the new manager gets them playing better, and we start winning games, why is it a worry that they are given a clean slate?

How many clean slates do these useless players need.   

[JJ-AV]

'My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway).'

Why is that a worry? If the new manager gets them playing better, and we start winning games, why is it a worry that they are given a clean slate?

I agree in some cases, such as Ireland and Collins.

But Dunne, Beye and Warnock. Earning almost 150k a week between 'em? The first two massively past their best. We really need to ship these on ASAP.

[PeterWithe]

I think Big Sam should come in and be Gerald's No 2 for rest of season. So he can get the fight out of our players. So that way we can continue passing game.

I cant think of a worse way of sorting out this mess.

[john e]

I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.

So would I, frankly.

Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.

I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?

Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.

i'm with Paulie and CCBB on this one,
 whats the point in going to watch football that you dont enjoy, all this Alladyce can play good football is just a load of bollox, just open your eryes and watch his teams over a period of time, thats what your signing up for just to stay in the promised land.
you can spin around it all you like but thats the fact of the matter, his teams play hoof ball and its a load of shit to watch with no pretence to do anything different.
even the Geordies couldnt stand it

also i dont agree with your relegation/armageden sinario, i'm not shit scared of it like many others, so that probably makes me see things slightly differently
if we did go down we would have all the resources to come back up, i dont agree at all with your 5/10 years of lower league football.

so you might feel shocked, but i would definitely take relegation every day of the week than play non atractive anti football,
 the prems not the be all and end all for me, i know that makes our views different, but thats the way it is.

For the record, i'd much prefer we don't have Alladyce in charge, but if the choice was between him and staying up or relegation then i'd choose him every time. I also never said Allardyce played entertaining football or put any spin on things, so please don't try and claim I did.

The promised land? Sorry, excuse me for wanting to see Villa challenging at the top level rather than scrabbling around in a lower league. Remind me how many non top flight sides have won a trophy in the last 15 years?

Entertaining football is the be all? I find leaving VP with 3 points the most entertaining and satisfying thing. Are we turning into Albion with their ethos of "I'd rather lose than play like that" bollocks?

As for not being afraid of the drop, given our less than healthy balance sheet, it worries the fuck out of me. We could be down there for a few years, no one ever has a devine right to promotion. I very much doubt the Leeds/Boro/Sheff Weds etc thought they would be where they are now the day they dropped.
For the record, I think the odds are we'd come straight back up, but would much prefer not to find out if we would or not.

I'm not buying into the Premier League dream, but I still have a "I want to see Villa win things" dream, and as much as it seems the chances of it coming true get slimmer as I get older, it's got a much better chance of coming true if we are in the top flight.

i wasnt arguing against you, i just see things in a different way thats all,
i'm certainly no where near as worried as you about the drop, maybe you care a bit more, i dont know,
but i would definitly go to more games with Houllier/whoever in charge in the championship than i would with Alladyce in the prem, i suppose that says it all for me really
i dont expect everyone to feel the same, its just what i would do

[Dave Cooper please]

I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment.  I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.

That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.

It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?