Sack the Manager?

[Risso]

I have to say, I find that a bit of a volte face from you, Risso, as you were possibly as vocal as me in criticising MON's style of football.

I can only imagine what you'd be like the first time you saw us whacking it long endlessly while Big Sam prowled the touchline in his bluetooth headset.

It's all very well citing a few half decent footballers he bought at Bolton, but his "hallmark" in the game is nothing to do with football at all.

It's not a volte face at all, as I've said I wouldn't choose him as our next long term manager.  I don't like his, or Martin O'Neill's or Mark Hughes's style of football, you're quite correct.  I also don't think he'd come for just 8 games in any case.

If it was a choice between having Allardyce as manager though, and staying up, it'd be the latter every time.  You can sack a manger easily enough (except if your name is Lerner apparently, but I digress) but getting relegated would ruin us.  A lot of our decent players would be poached by the likes of Spurs and Liverpool, our financial situation which is already a concern would be horrendous, and we'd probably need exactly an Allardyce/O'Neill style manager to get us out ofthe Championship anyway.

I don't want him as manager, but in a hypothetical choice, I'd choose him over relegation.  I'd also choose him over Houllier.

[WarszaVillan]

mmm strange emotion - i'm beginning to miss Doug???

[eastie]

risso, do you think he would turn down 8 games and a £1m bonus? i think hed take the cash and enhance his reputation personally , cant see him turning a £1m down for a few days work.

[ROBBO]

Sid hasn't covered himself with glory over the latest episode, what makes anyone believe the players would play for him.
I would like someone with stats at their fingertips to put a percentage of games this season when Houllier has had a complete squad to choose from. On Saturday we had three of our possible four centrebacks out of action and Wolves took advantage, i hate where we are as much as anyone but comments about bringing fat Sam in Or asking KMac to take over is plain daft. My humble opinion of course.

[oodman]

all we need is a bit of fight in the team in the last 8 games.  and under houllier there isnt that and players like downing, young, bent all know that they will get a premier league team next season if we go down so they probably aint botherd.  BUT if houllier goes these players will hopefully get a different attitude.  we need cowans and macdonald in charge.  the player respect macdonald and cowans.  tactically he may not be up to it but he isnt stupid and doing ok with the reserves.  the players need motication and need to respect the management and that will never happen under houllier.  GET RID NOW !!! .

do the players respect cowans and mcdonald though?

i think they do, on a villa perspective as they have been at the club for a long time and they will have the passion that houllier doesnt have.

all this is for houllier is topping up his pension so he can buy more french sticks and garlic when he retires :-)

[WikiVilla]

Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.

So would I, frankly.

Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.

I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?

Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.

What would be the point of finishing 12th in the Premier League? We tried it MON's way and we came very close to being successful with it, but unless you spend shit loads of money, you won't really win anything (Blose was a fluke). Why don't we just play to entertain instead? It'd make it much more exciting to go and watch.

[eastie]

if we stay up owen coyle would be my choice without doubt , great man manager and nice football too.

[john e]

I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.

So would I, frankly.

Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.

I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?

Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.

i'm with Paulie and CCBB on this one,
 whats the point in going to watch football that you dont enjoy, all this Alladyce can play good football is just a load of bollox, just open your eryes and watch his teams over a period of time, thats what your signing up for just to stay in the promised land.
you can spin around it all you like but thats the fact of the matter, his teams play hoof ball and its a load of shit to watch with no pretence to do anything different.
even the Geordies couldnt stand it

also i dont agree with your relegation/armageden sinario, i'm not shit scared of it like many others, so that probably makes me see things slightly differently
if we did go down we would have all the resources to come back up, i dont agree at all with your 5/10 years of lower league football.

so you might feel shocked, but i would definitely take relegation every day of the week than play non atractive anti football,
 the prems not the be all and end all for me, i know that makes our views different, but thats the way it is.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I have to say, I find that a bit of a volte face from you, Risso, as you were possibly as vocal as me in criticising MON's style of football.

I can only imagine what you'd be like the first time you saw us whacking it long endlessly while Big Sam prowled the touchline in his bluetooth headset.

It's all very well citing a few half decent footballers he bought at Bolton, but his "hallmark" in the game is nothing to do with football at all.

It's not a volte face at all, as I've said I wouldn't choose him as our next long term manager.  I don't like his, or Martin O'Neill's or Mark Hughes's style of football, you're quite correct.  I also don't think he'd come for just 8 games in any case.

If it was a choice between having Allardyce as manager though, and staying up, it'd be the latter every time.  You can sack a manger easily enough (except if your name is Lerner apparently, but I digress) but getting relegated would ruin us.  A lot of our decent players would be poached by the likes of Spurs and Liverpool, our financial situation which is already a concern would be horrendous, and we'd probably need exactly an Allardyce/O'Neill style manager to get us out ofthe Championship anyway.

I don't want him as manager, but in a hypothetical choice, I'd choose him over relegation.  I'd also choose him over Houllier.

Martin.
It would be all or nothing with Allardyce.
If he came for the 8 games and say won 5 of them, everybody would be clamouring for his appointment.
This 'only for 8 games' would never be workable.

[Risso]

Martin.
It would be all or nothing with Allardyce.
If he came for the 8 games and say won 5 of them, everybody would be clamouring for his appointment.
This 'only for 8 games' would never be workable.

I fully agree, which is why I said that in the hypothetical choice between getting relegated and having Allardyce, I'd go for Allardyce.

[Concrete John]

It would be all or nothing with Allardyce.
If he came for the 8 games and say won 5 of them, everybody would be clamouring for his appointment.
This 'only for 8 games' would never be workable.

Which is one of the reasons my vote goes to sticking with Houllier and then sacking him in the summer.

Relegation WOULD be a disaster, IMO.  Even if we came straight back up we'd lose our all our best players, probably for below their market value, so then need to buy players for the Championship and then most of a whole new team when we got back into the PL.  Even with the parachute payments we'd be talking £50m or so and 3 years minimum just to get back into the Europa League reckoning.  Total disaster. 

[DB]

http://www.football365.co.uk/story/0,17033,8652_6829046,00.html

Oh, General K is back.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock

What does the Sun say?

[eastie]

Just says the general said kick the crap out of everton!

Hugely misquoted but that's the sun for you, basically a rehash of his post on here yesterday about fighting for the badge , marines etc.