Sack the Manager?

[Louzie0]

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I totally agree with all of that but what are the realistic alternatives at this stage? I think that's what concerns me the most. Kev Mac and Sid? Big Sam?
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....'Big Sam?'

But then I'm easily confused, reading so many posts


I feel the same way as you do.  But I think the realistic thing is to stick with the manager we've got.  That's where we're different.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.

So would I, frankly.

Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.

I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?

Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.

[Salsa Party Animal]

I think Big Sam should come in and be Gerald's No 2 for rest of season. So he can get the fight out of our players. So that way we can continue passing game.

[WikiVilla]

No, houllier needs to leave 110%, no moving upstairs etc

As for allardyce, anyone recall his early Bolton team with okocha, campo, Nolan, David etc

Very good footballing side

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

I've voted to stick with Houllier till the end of the season, on balance I doubt our chances of staying up will be improved for the last 8 games by sacking him now.
Randy should already have  Monday 23rd May pencilled in his diary to call a press conference at Villa Park to announce that Houlliers contract has been terminated and that Aston Villa have a vacancy for 1st team manager and hope to make an announcement in the coming weeks.
A new manager can then be appointed at a time when there is likely to be a wider choice and that person has a clear set of aims, be that achieving promotion or improving our premiership position.

[oodman]

but on the other side sacking him now may give the team a lift and getting someone in with a bit of motivational skills may lift them.  i know they are on loads of money and shouldnt need motivating but that is a footballers mindset..  they turn up and get paid no matter what... so they need to be rallied together and fired up and houllier isnt doing that and it is plain to see

i have never seen a manager of a team who are in the relegation fight as much as we are look so un-interested... we go 1-0 down at home to a relegation rival and he just sits there on his seat.  any oither manager would of been on his feet on the touchline shouting at the team and encouraging them

i have had a season ticket for 14 years now and supported the villa a lot longer than that and this is breaking my heart ! :-(

[PaulTheVillan]

What's this shit about a protest before Newcastle game?

Mindless.

[eastie]

You often see when a manager goes the team gets a lift and picks up results- in this case a manager so disliked and unpopular that if he went the team could only benefit from that , I cannot see us staying up if he stays and boot out Mcallister too- I seriously question faulkners credentials  after yesterday's comments.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.

So would I, frankly.

Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.

I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?

Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.

Allardyce is the personification of everything that is wrong with modern football management. I have too much pride in the club to accept him as our manager.

He's not even a "football" manager, his teams are so horrible to watch. He spent most of his time at Blackburn honing an approach which consisted of assaulting the goalkeeper while throwing balls into the box.

So, yes, I would much rather get relegated and regroup under a proper manager for the future than suffer under that twat. It's nothing about having a "sexy" manager, either, it's about not having a manager who squeezes the last ounce of joy out of football.

And why is it that Allardyce has suddenly become seen as the obvious "he'll keep us up" saviour by so many people?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

We still have some principles on how to play the game, I don't want Allardyce swaning in and turning us into a carbon copy of Bolton or Blackburn, we're bigger than that.

Even those clowns at West Ham didn't consider him.

[eastie]

We still have some principles on how to play the game, I don't want Allardyce swaning in and turning us into a carbon copy of Bolton or Blackburn, we're bigger than that.

Even those clowns at West Ham didn't consider him.

i get that fletch , but the mention of big sam was a short term 8 game deal with a big bonus , nobody as far as im aware suggested or wanted him here next season , and i can stomach it for 8 games personally , and stay up and let him walk away with a fat pay cheque.

i would not let my dislike of a person come before my love of aston villa and our survival chances.

[Risso]

Allardyce is the personification of everything that is wrong with modern football management. I have too much pride in the club to accept him as our manager.

He's not even a "football" manager, his teams are so horrible to watch. He spent most of his time at Blackburn honing an approach which consisted of assaulting the goalkeeper while throwing balls into the box.

So, yes, I would much rather get relegated and regroup under a proper manager for the future than suffer under that twat. It's nothing about having a "sexy" manager, either, it's about not having a manager who squeezes the last ounce of joy out of football.

And why is it that Allardyce has suddenly become seen as the obvious "he'll keep us up" saviour by so many people?

Allardyce spend two seasons at Blackburn, after inheriting a side that had played for the majority of the previous 3-4 years playing a robust, physical style under Mark Hughes.  Within that though, he still had players like Pedersen and Dunn, who are good footballers, and when for example, Blackburn beat us twice last season, I thought the two teams played an extremely similar style of football, ie not pleasing on the eye but effective.

You also seem to ignore the point that at Bolton, Allardyce brought some great flair players like Okocha and Campo to the Premier League, but I don't suppose that suits the argument.

All this "anti-football, I'd rather get relegated" stuff is hysterical hyperbole.  I wouldn't choose Allardyce as manager given a few options, but I'd have him over Houllier any day of the week.  Houllier is currently neck and neck with McNeill as our worst ever manager, despite inheriting a decent squad and spending a fortune in January. 

Anybody who would rather get relegated with Houllier is probably going to get their wish.

[oodman]

all we need is a bit of fight in the team in the last 8 games.  and under houllier there isnt that and players like downing, young, bent all know that they will get a premier league team next season if we go down so they probably aint botherd.  BUT if houllier goes these players will hopefully get a different attitude.  we need cowans and macdonald in charge.  the player respect macdonald and cowans.  tactically he may not be up to it but he isnt stupid and doing ok with the reserves.  the players need motication and need to respect the management and that will never happen under houllier.  GET RID NOW !!! .

[eastie]

all we need is a bit of fight in the team in the last 8 games.  and under houllier there isnt that and players like downing, young, bent all know that they will get a premier league team next season if we go down so they probably aint botherd.  BUT if houllier goes these players will hopefully get a different attitude.  we need cowans and macdonald in charge.  the player respect macdonald and cowans.  tactically he may not be up to it but he isnt stupid and doing ok with the reserves.  the players need motication and need to respect the management and that will never happen under houllier.  GET RID NOW !!! .

do the players respect cowans and mcdonald though?

[pauliewalnuts]

Allardyce is the personification of everything that is wrong with modern football management. I have too much pride in the club to accept him as our manager.

He's not even a "football" manager, his teams are so horrible to watch. He spent most of his time at Blackburn honing an approach which consisted of assaulting the goalkeeper while throwing balls into the box.

So, yes, I would much rather get relegated and regroup under a proper manager for the future than suffer under that twat. It's nothing about having a "sexy" manager, either, it's about not having a manager who squeezes the last ounce of joy out of football.

And why is it that Allardyce has suddenly become seen as the obvious "he'll keep us up" saviour by so many people?

Allardyce spend two seasons at Blackburn, after inheriting a side that had played for the majority of the previous 3-4 years playing a robust, physical style under Mark Hughes.  Within that though, he still had players like Pedersen and Dunn, who are good footballers, and when for example, Blackburn beat us twice last season, I thought the two teams played an extremely similar style of football, ie not pleasing on the eye but effective.

You also seem to ignore the point that at Bolton, Allardyce brought some great flair players like Okocha and Campo to the Premier League, but I don't suppose that suits the argument.

All this "anti-football, I'd rather get relegated" stuff is hysterical hyperbole.  I wouldn't choose Allardyce as manager given a few options, but I'd have him over Houllier any day of the week.  Houllier is currently neck and neck with McNeill as our worst ever manager, despite inheriting a decent squad and spending a fortune in January. 

Anybody who would rather get relegated with Houllier is probably going to get their wish.

I have to say, I find that a bit of a volte face from you, Risso, as you were possibly as vocal as me in criticising MON's style of football.

I can only imagine what you'd be like the first time you saw us whacking it long endlessly while Big Sam prowled the touchline in his bluetooth headset.

It's all very well citing a few half decent footballers he bought at Bolton, but his "hallmark" in the game is nothing to do with football at all.