Andy Gray / Richard Keys / Sky thread

[WikiVilla]

Who was co-commentating on the fulham game last night? Dull as dishwater, at least gray injected some passion and excellent post match analysis. As for keys I don't like the odious little man but to be fair, he was an excellent anchor man, only surpassed by stelling for me.

[Chris Smith]

Who was co-commentating on the fulham game last night? Dull as dishwater, at least gray injected some passion and excellent post match analysis. As for keys I don't like the odious little man but to be fair, he was an excellent anchor man, only surpassed by stelling for me.

Couldn't disagree more. Keys was fucking useless and Gray hasn't provided any decent analysis for 10 years.

[Chris Jameson]

Couldn't disagree more. Keys was fucking useless and Gray hasn't provided any decent analysis for 10 years.

Take a bow son.

[Chico Hamilton III]

A mate of mine told me that, when he was Villa manager, Big Ron's end of training session 5-a-side games usually took the format of "blacks v whites".

Better than shirts v skins, I suppose or bibs vs shirts.

I still love him though

 

[pauliewalnuts]

bloody hell Tim. I know each to their own opinion and all that, but those two are just nasty pieces of work that have taken advantage of all and sundry, aside from their bigoted or prejudiced views. Remember, what we heard was just them being sloppy. You know full well they've probably said a lot worse and never been caught. They are exactly the type of people that should be called out, which it seemed they were until Talksport had them join their old boys network instead. You don't have to hate them, but tell me they aren't the types of people you'd endorse either.

I think "well done lads" and calling "andy and keysie" shows where TTV is coming from toronto.

Where am I coming from then ?

I just don't have the venom against them - I think they're typical middle aged blokes who took their jobs for granted - however have done more good than harm during the past 20 years.

Neither in their jobs or private lives they are not perfect by a long chalk.

Villa fans sang 'Andy Gray my Lord' at Blackpool, nothing said about that here, well, I haven't seen it !

I do not condone their actions OJ.

What good have they done during the last 20 years?

What harm have they done ?

They've acted as the face of the most pernicious entity in the history of association football. What good have they done?

Too right they have, they've been the figureheads for the "wrongest" part of a game which has gone very wrong indeed.

[Pete3206]

A mate of mine told me that, when he was Villa manager, Big Ron's end of training session 5-a-side games usually took the format of "blacks v whites".

Better than shirts v skins, I suppose or bibs vs shirts.

I still love him though

Ron said this in a fans forum when he was still Villa manager.

[UsualSuspect]

What I dont understand is why SKY felt the need to pay so much for their analysis.

Lets be honest if im going to watch Sky on a sunday afternoon it's because I want to watch the game not not because of expert analysis.

If at half time there was just a cardboard cut out of Lord baden powell and a bloke who was in the chorus of "Cats" then I would still watch it.

A bit comparible to BBC's evaluation of Jonathon Woss which was about 5.5 million miles away from everybody elses

[TimTheVillain]

bloody hell Tim. I know each to their own opinion and all that, but those two are just nasty pieces of work that have taken advantage of all and sundry, aside from their bigoted or prejudiced views. Remember, what we heard was just them being sloppy. You know full well they've probably said a lot worse and never been caught. They are exactly the type of people that should be called out, which it seemed they were until Talksport had them join their old boys network instead. You don't have to hate them, but tell me they aren't the types of people you'd endorse either.

I think "well done lads" and calling "andy and keysie" shows where TTV is coming from toronto.

Where am I coming from then ?

I just don't have the venom against them - I think they're typical middle aged blokes who took their jobs for granted - however have done more good than harm during the past 20 years.

Neither in their jobs or private lives they are not perfect by a long chalk.

Villa fans sang 'Andy Gray my Lord' at Blackpool, nothing said about that here, well, I haven't seen it !

I do not condone their actions OJ.

What good have they done during the last 20 years?

What harm have they done ?

They've acted as the face of the most pernicious entity in the history of association football. What good have they done?

Maybe, jut maybe we disagree - is that OK ?

Do you subscribe to Sky TV or Virgin ?

Maybe you don't. Maybe you are too old, bitter and twisted  to embrace new ideas, new thinking, new anything - pernicious eh, man, that's exceptionally bitter.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Maybe you are too old, bitter and twisted  to embrace new ideas, new thinking, new anything

It might have been "new"once but Keys and Gray have been trotting out the same tired old formula for 20 years now.

[Villa'Zawg]

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Maybe, jut maybe we disagree - is that OK ?

Do you subscribe to Sky TV or Virgin ?

Maybe you don't. Maybe you are too old, bitter and twisted  to embrace new ideas, new thinking, new anything - pernicious eh, man, that's exceptionally bitter.

I simply questioned your assertion that they'd done more good than harm in the past 20 years. It's OK if you can't explain what you meant, there's no need to get het up about it.

[Dave Cooper please]

A mate of mine told me that, when he was Villa manager, Big Ron's end of training session 5-a-side games usually took the format of "blacks v whites".

Better than shirts v skins, I suppose or bibs vs shirts.

 

To be fair, we used to play that at school in the playground as well.
i remember one, probably ahead of his time but we just thought he was gay, teacher telling us it was racist, to which one of the black guys said "No way Sir, it's great thrashing them white bastards every day."

Not sure this adds anything to the debate but it's strange what you suddenly remember!

[TimTheVillain]

Maybe you are too old, bitter and twisted  to embrace new ideas, new thinking, new anything

It might have been "new"once but Keys and Gray have been trotting out the same tired old formula for 20 years now.

I know, and it does need changing.

Enough so that Sky set their two former employees up !

Let's hope Sky utilizes an opportunity to freshen their service up.

[DB]

Who was co-commentating on the fulham game last night? Dull as dishwater, at least gray injected some passion and excellent post match analysis. As for keys I don't like the odious little man but to be fair, he was an excellent anchor man, only surpassed by stelling for me.

Hoddle was in Grays seat. He was quite dull, it was that bad I had to turn off and spend the evening with the missus - bloody Valentines day.

[DBTW]

Who was co-commentating on the fulham game last night? Dull as dishwater, at least gray injected some passion and excellent post match analysis. As for keys I don't like the odious little man but to be fair, he was an excellent anchor man, only surpassed by stelling for me.

Hoddle was in Grays seat. He was quite dull, it was that bad I had to turn off and spend the evening with the missus - bloody Valentines day.

I thought it was Steve Claridge?

[Clampy]

It was obvious they were set up but i don't think they're going to be a massive loss to Sky, although i enjoyed The Final Word after the games on a Sunday on the occasions that i watched it.