Birmingham City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[pmk1981]

Thank you Clark  that's the sort of discussions I like

[mattjpa]

My problem is the manager, there is enough fight and ability to put us in a mid table position but GH fucks the tactics and formmation up, this is not difficult, put your best players in thier best positions

You serious?

Let me know how playing the best players in the best positions is a problem

Its not but normally I'd expect Friedel to be keeper not striker, Clarke is our only viable left back, Walker  plays as a right back Collins, Dunne cb's, Petrov, Coker, Bannan, Albrighton midfield, Gabby, Carew, Fonz, up front, the ref normally ref's.

Gabby was playing on the wing and Downing in the centre, both were ineffective, did you see the game?

yeah but come on mate, gabby is fast as fuck so it should work (despite what people hve said on here he can cross and does create goals for others) and i think downing is our top goalscorer, most have which have come from shooting from the edge of the area, the position you will generally get into being the support striker. I agree, Gabby was ineffectual on the left today but things arent always gonna work out. this doesnt mean the manager shouldnt have the courage of convictions and try different things. If he doesnt, we will be back to where we were with martin o'nob

[Chris Smith]

What's with all the personal insults ?

Any Villa fan who says he would be happy to lose to that lot deserves all he gets. Like Dave if I'd said what I wanted to it would be a lot worse than deranged. No go and do your trolling somewhere else and leave the discussion to the grown ups.

[citizenDJ]

We still have the same problem that if something doesn't change we'll be relegated.

What is going to change?

The quality of players in the squad?

Fingers crossed.

[Toronto Villa]

GH is playing with the cards he was dealt while trying to change systems, culture and philosophy at the club. While that is going to cause is to play differently and sometimes not as effectively as we'd like, the one thing that will see us through will be desire and committment. Today, we saw a little bit more in terms of development on the playing side, but a lot more in terms of desire, energy and belief.

We have enough quality in the squad to get out of this if we believe. Add some quality (Makoun and Walker being a start) we'll be just fine. We need a new forward badly to finish off our chances and to light a fire under Gabby. We see it, GH sees it and the board see it. I'm confident it will be addressed before Jan 31st.

[Bald Eagle]

What's with all the personal insults ?
just say you don't agree with me instead of calling me deranged. It's fucking childish

Whats childish is hoping that the Villa lose a derby game just because you want the manager out. Now that is bloody childish.

[berneboy]

Probably a fair result

Now then, .. since when did an even handed viewpoint have any place on h&v?
More bias please!

[WikiVilla]

thought we showed them way too much respect today
good games from Clark, Collins & Gabby & Fonz when he came on

[Legion]

What's with all the personal insults ?
just say you don't agree with me instead of calling me deranged. It's fucking childish

I don't agree with you.

[Simba]

GH is here. Now we give him a chance. And support the Team. Finish.

Glad for the point and sad to say I would have taken it this morning. They were unlucky/bad too and but for a fluffed tap in and the Beanpole header we might have a different story to tell. So defence, although better, still not quite in sync is it.

No need to repeat the positioning debate loved it at 442 for the first quarter hour. Loved to see the Fonz with that confidence.

Mostly just glad to see some fight. Bye JC bye SP.

22k INCLUDING all season ticket sales.Wonder how many really attended? Seating all pretty full facing the cameras I see.

[Greg N'Ash]

I'm with a bunch of Bluenoses that know we were the better team, so that's good.

A point wasn't enough though. We still have the same problem that if something doesn't change we'll be relegated.

What is going to change?

hopefully with the new players coming in we'll start to gell. there's a basis of a decent team there today i thought.. I think if we sack the manager now after allowing him to spend money then we deserve to go down really.

[Somniloquism]

More shots on target then Blues, more shots off target and more corners, and we were the away side.

Do for me, although converting more than 1 shot would have been the icing on the cake.

Not in the stats I've seen. Post and bar don't class as on target if it doesn't go in although they don't class cleared off the lines either if the defender does it and not the keeper. Officially the goal was the first shot on target for us. But we probably shaded the chances although they had the best one with Derbyshires air shot. We also had more possession.

[villa for life]

Chill out guys. Today is a time to celebrate. We are out of the bottom 3. If the table stands as it is at the final whistle on the last day of the season, it will be a day to rejoice. We will have done it!

[alanclare]

Just a quiet voice amid the bedlam saying, "I thought that a draw was about right."

That's it.

The end.

[The Situation]

I can see a few signs that things are settling down and GH is starting to turn the tide. I don't think any of our players were shit as is being suggested. Carew was isolated, and the middle two were a bit cautious but that's understandable given the magnitude of the game. It's also worth remembering they're both only 3 games in after long injuries. We just need a break and things will turn. You can see how players are anxious to shoot/cross when in good positions but this is a confidence issue. As I said, there's a few signs and apart from the two Manchester games coming up we have the ideal fixtures to turn the corner and pull clear of the dog fight.

Best post so far.

Carew played good in the first-half, people seem to forget that... Houllier was right to sub Carew for Delfouneso though.

Walker, Clark, Coker, Albrighton, Downing and Gabby tried really hard today... Walker is really impressing me, I wish we could sign him - he's the sort of right-back we need, he shat all over their left-back today.

The problem with us right now is we're not putting away our chances. We should of been 1-0 up within 3 minutes, all Gabby needed to do is hit the target. Foster is clueless, you can see why United sold him. My biggest gripe is we fail to take our chances and that's the main reason why we're down at the bottom. We're just not clinical enough.

Overrall I think considering the circumstances of having a crappy away record and going a goal down I think we'll be more happy with the point. Nice to see small heath's unamitious, negative and boring tactics didn't pay off this time - they will below us for sure at the end of the season.

Oh, another sell-out at the sty I see. 22,000? No wonder we sing the city is ours - because it is. They're just embarrassing. Championship team and Championship support. They won't even sell-out in their biggest game since today in a couple of weeks against West Ham.

By-the-way I love you Agent Ridgewell. Your constant fuck ups are hilarious. You're still giving us laughs despite playing for the dark side.

P.S. quit the negativity some ppl. You're boring.