In defence of Houllier

[tarzansbrother]

He's tried to do too many different things too quickly.

I agree with that.  Furthermore, there was no need to try and implement so many changes.  A bit of tweaking was all that was needed for starters.

The thing I am picking up about Houllier and have from when he started is that he doesn't appear bothered about our predicament.  It's as though he's thinking this is an alright job, nothing more.  That might not be the case but it's the impression I get from him in his interviews and his demeanour.  He needs to start showing some passion and somehow convince us that we should get behind him.

I've been told that about him - nothing seems to get him upset or seem particularly bothered. Maybe he disguises his emotions, or maybe it's a follow-on from his illness - work isn't that important after you almost died. 

Ahh. the almost he nearly died quote, I wondered when that would be trotted out. IMO he aint recovered from that illness and it was lunacy to employ him. At least I have warmed to the fact we may have 2 new full backs that look half decent and can attack and cross a ball.

[LeeB]

Agree with all of that Robbo.

[seanthevillan]

Pat Nevin's making a good case for the defence on 5live at the moment..

Anyone else listening?

[Simba]

Robbo. I remember after your first thread comment and me being the first to respond saying that you were a 'brave man" to insitgate such a debate. I wondered what you had started. I feared nothing but abuse.

This has been a brilliant thread.

Thanks. Some very mature and insightful responses. Very unusual.

[JJ-AV]

Warnock, Sidwell and Carew have all been moved on from top clubs. They all have ability but weren't up to it.

Dunne and Ireland were moved on from Man City when they changed their methods to that of a top club. Perhaps they couldn't adapt.

Maybe Houllier has tried to bring in 'top club methods' and the players are not capable of adapting?

I remember Hughes (whilst at Citeh) saying he'd played for top clubs and knew how they operated, especially in comparison to the smaller clubs. He said to be a 'top' club you have to act like it from the top down. Maybe Houllier demanding that bit extra from the players is an example of this?

[tarzansbrother]

Warnock, Sidwell and Carew have all been moved on from top clubs. They all have ability but weren't up to it.

Dunne and Ireland were moved on from Man City when they changed their methods to that of a top club. Perhaps they couldn't adapt.

Maybe Houllier has tried to bring in 'top club methods' and the players are not capable of adapting?

I remember Hughes (whilst at Citeh) saying he'd played for top clubs and knew how they operated, especially in comparison to the smaller clubs. He said to be a 'top' club you have to act like it from the top down. Maybe Houllier demanding that bit extra from the players is an example of this?

JJ come on. The bloke is a hasbeen. Apart from Fergie and Wenger its a youngs man job now and Houllier is well over the hill. No one respects him, simple.

[Mac]

......apart from the two most successful managers in history. lol

[tarzansbrother]

Who have been at their clubs for decades lol

[pauliewalnuts]

He's tried to do too many different things too quickly.

I agree with that.  Furthermore, there was no need to try and implement so many changes.  A bit of tweaking was all that was needed for starters.

The thing I am picking up about Houllier and have from when he started is that he doesn't appear bothered about our predicament.  It's as though he's thinking this is an alright job, nothing more.  That might not be the case but it's the impression I get from him in his interviews and his demeanour.  He needs to start showing some passion and somehow convince us that we should get behind him.

I've been told that about him - nothing seems to get him upset or seem particularly bothered. Maybe he disguises his emotions, or maybe it's a follow-on from his illness - work isn't that important after you almost died. 

Ahh. the almost he nearly died quote, I wondered when that would be trotted out. IMO he aint recovered from that illness and it was lunacy to employ him.

I'm assuming you're an actual heart specialist to make judgements like that.

[Karl Bridges]

In terms of his demeanor, my girlfriend's dad had a heart attack a few years back and he is a different bloke now. He is so chilled out ,I just think that is a by-product of surviving something like that.

[tarzansbrother]

He's tried to do too many different things too quickly.

I agree with that.  Furthermore, there was no need to try and implement so many changes.  A bit of tweaking was all that was needed for starters.

The thing I am picking up about Houllier and have from when he started is that he doesn't appear bothered about our predicament.  It's as though he's thinking this is an alright job, nothing more.  That might not be the case but it's the impression I get from him in his interviews and his demeanour.  He needs to start showing some passion and somehow convince us that we should get behind him.

I've been told that about him - nothing seems to get him upset or seem particularly bothered. Maybe he disguises his emotions, or maybe it's a follow-on from his illness - work isn't that important after you almost died. 

Ahh. the almost he nearly died quote, I wondered when that would be trotted out. IMO he aint recovered from that illness and it was lunacy to employ him.

I'm assuming you're an actual heart specialist to make judgements like that.

Ok then Paulie he is a spring chick. Get fukin real the bloke had major heart surgery then nearly killed himself again carrying on as manager at Liverpool, then failed at Lyon. 6 years on he is expected to sort the shambles ONiell left.

[TheSandman]

He won Ligue One twice at Lyon.

[tarzansbrother]

Yeah and he played Ashley Young as Centre half for the last 10 minutes against Sunderland.

[PaulWinch again]

Pat Nevin's making a good case for the defence on 5live at the moment..

Anyone else listening?

No what did he say?

[hawkeye]

Yeah and he played Ashley Young as Centre half for the last 10 minutes against Sunderland.

Do you really think he told Young to go play there?
it dosent look good either way