Aston Villa v Sunderland Post-Match Thread

[PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt]

Got back a while ago and read all of this thread.

Gerard Foolier hs to go.

A left winger on the right, a right winger in attack, a striker on the wing and then four centre backs, when we had to chase the game we had two centre backs up top with our winger/attacking midfielder at centre back with a centre forward on the bench. Not one of the central midfielders could get forward enough to support Heskey.

It shows just how dreadfully shit we are that Emile Heskey was our best player.

Foullier HAS TO GO, and be replaced damn quickly, none of this 'fucking about' like we had with Houllier's appointment - the new manager (I would go for Jol) would then need to be backed to the hilt, otherwise we WILL be going to Bristol City, Ipswich, Coventry and Derby next season.

[eastie]

What do Faulkner and Lerner know about football ? They are not football men and we lack a football man on the board- move houllier into the board room and to oversee scouting etc and bring in martin jol as coach!

[Risso]

The tosser speaks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm


He makes me want to hurl my wife's expensive new Macbook through the window.


"We'll make it, don't worry"


We might if you fuck off you inept ******.

[BILL DE VALL]

I also agree the atmos was poor today
too many empty seats -not enough singing

it looks bad for us-"spiritwise"

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Not long back. We should have at least been a couple up at h/t but if you don't take your chances it going to come back and bite you on the arse.

Heskey actually held the ball up really well but no excuse for costing us the game twice, by missing from two yards and not getting sent off. We need a new striker a.s.a.p.

Heskey played well but he has to shoulder a lot of the blame. Hitting the bar when it was harder not to score then putting himself in the situation whereby he might get sent off (even though it looked a harsh decision), he'll now miss 3 games and we have little options in the striker position as it is.

Collins was out muscled a few times by Bent and he was lucky that he scuffed the shot which allowed him to clear it off the line. Strange tactic of keeping faith with cuellar at r/b and Gabby at left wing.

At least we've found our new central defender, step forward Ashley Young.

I wouldn't like to be in Randys shoes.

[mr woo]

Everyone just calm down a bit.  Everyone is angry and directs it at houllier but sacking him isnt the way forward. If this lot wont play for him, ged needs to get rid and replace them. It looks like im a lone voice but im keeping the faith...

 I agree Matt. You are not alone in the wilderness.

i also agree

You lot are mad, you say that if the players don't want to play for the manager then get rid of them and get some new ones. It would be far easier to get a new manager in who the players want to play for and understand.

Yeah, but you say it like you can sack him on Thursday and appoint the new bloke on Friday.

Remember how long it took last time?

Randy isn't like Mike Ashley - lining up a replacement weeks before he's fucked off his current gaffer.

[SoccerHQ]

Well I have always been thinking we will never go down and Houllier should be given to the end of the season. I don't anymore. Sadly I honestly think we need to make a change and make it soon.

Relegation would be an utter disaster.

Me too.

Houllier had some good ideas but his tactics are increasingly becoming O'dreary mark 2.

Looks like that fantastic twenty minutes against Manure will be the sole highlight of his reign.

[willywombat]

The players do not want to play for the manager. That is wrong. It shouldn't be like that, but it quite clearly is, and as a result we are in big, big trouble.

Tonight was the night I realised that, actually, it's not going to get any better under GH, the players aren't going to suddenly find the passion under him, it just will not happen. Sometimes it is a case of wrong manager, wrong club, wrong time, and all three seem to have happened at the same time for us.

We genuinely are getting worse. It wasn't just that we were performing badly today, I couldn't even see what we were trying to do.

Clark looked out of his depth.
Collins just swung his leg at the ball every time he got within 5 yards of it.
Dunne seems unable to jump. How many balls flew past him?
Cuellar, after marauding forward in the first half like a(nother) winger, but then infuriatingly passing it back, went to shit in the second half.
Petrov and Reo-Coker were both absolutely rubbish. One (NRC) clearly doesn't care any more, the other is not good enough.
Gabby - I can't really tell what we were trying to do with him out there, but he might as well have been in the fucking stand.
Ashley - worked hard, but he must be getting dispirited, I'd be off if I were him.
Heskey - worked hard, but the miss of the season and then a truly fucking cretinous thing to get sent off.

Sitting there tonight, we looked in many senses like a club in decline. Vast swathes of empty seats, no atmosphere or spirit in the crowd, the team going through the motions but really not caring either, the manager sat impassively watching the game pass by us, the whole place has a horrible feeling of malaise. For those of you who watched on the telly or on the internet, it is difficult to properly convey just how wretched an experience that was.

I still think changing manager at this point is asking for it, and risking an awful lot, but after watching that, I can not see how it can be any worse than persisting with GH and GM.

We're going to have to take the plunge and get shot. If we don't do it now - right now - we'll lose at Sheffield United, lose to Man City (which we're bound to lose) and get beaten at Blues, so he'll go anyway. Better to do it now.

We need leadership somewhere. There is none at all on the pitch, and none from the bench. It needs to come from the very top.

Desperately, desperately depressing.

Very difficult to disagree with any of that. I've never been one for knee jerk ' sack the manager' reactions, but maybe sooner rather than later is best for all concerned in this case

[Tom_Mc9?]

Disgraceful. Great result followed by a shit result. Time and time again it's happened this season.

Have we had enough great results for it to happen time and time again? (Wink)

[Risso]

The tosser speaks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm


He makes me want to hurl my wife's expensive new Macbook through the window.


"We'll make it, don't worry"


We might if you fuck off you inept c***.

[BILL DE VALL]

What do Faulkner and Lerner know about football ? They are not football men and we lack a football man on the board- move houllier into the board room and to oversee scouting etc and bring in martin jol as coach!

bit of 'insider' info-my uncle knows one of the scouts at villa
apparantly our scouting network has blossomed under GH after MON left it to wither to 'joke levels'(the villa employee's words)

[CJ]

Just back and still absolutely fuming at that appalling display. Why play such a defensive line up against Sunderland at home? Why play Gabby out of position wide left? Don't start me on Dunne. Or Downing. Too livid to post anything coherent now.  Off to suffer MOTD but with a very nice Islay malt to soften the edges

[midnite]

Says something when u have young and bannan as your centre backs, Collins and dune as your forwards. Even under Graham Taylor I never saw so much hoof football.

Que up the doors track 'the end' and sent this sorry sight of a manager on his way. I've been in favour of giving him time but this was a disgrace of a match. A total embarrassment to Aston villa football club. Houllier should be ashamed. James Milner aside this is the same group of players who got top 6!!!!!

[picicata]

Yeah, but you say it like you can sack him on Thursday and appoint the new bloke on Friday.

Remember how long it took last time?

Randy isn't like Mike Ashley - lining up a replacement weeks before he's fucked off his current gaffer.

In all honesty it has been obvious for some weeks that Houllier is floundering around without a clue so I would hope that Randy and his team have been keeping tabs on the Manager employment scene so that when it becomes neccessary to relieve Houllier of his duties they could replace him quickly.

If they have not been doing this then they are very stupid people.

[pauliewalnuts]

"I'm disappointed with the result, but am happy with the reaction of the players"

Eh?