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Offline Toronto Villa

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1125 on: December 30, 2010, 07:47:10 PM »
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-14 Goal Difference worst in the premier, how many stats do you want?.

In my opinion GH was a bad appointment(from the looks of the poll I'm not in the minority by some margin). I was however prepared to give him time, I now fear to give him anymore will decimate the squad(a la Graham Turner) he will bring in foreign youngsters which will displace our own very good homegrown players. So when we get relegated at the end of the season we will have less money with a shitload of disgruntled foreigners we have to ship out when GH finally gets the bullet.

Get rid of NOW let the new guy spend whatever transfer kitty we have & hopefully we will be satified with sixth from bottom at the end of the season

you've given two stats and 7 of those goals were in two games that Houllier wasn't a part of.

And who is out there, that would either ditch his current employer on the eve of the transfer window, or is free that will galvanzie the club, know what it needs and bring in suitable talent to change our current position.

tick, tick, tick ... waits for Jol's name to be thrown out or the newest poster boy Coyle, but privately fears he'll say Allardyce

Again how many stats do you want? Stats can be used anyway you want to prove or disprove a point of view the table doesn't lie, its the manner of our defeats, the dejectedness in the playing squad that worry me the most.

Who do I want? Anyone but Houllier! Please God his time is at an end & we will have a new man in by the Sunderland game.

Don't give me a non commital answer such as "Anyone but Houllier". Give me names of managers, either in jobs today, or free that will be able to walk in to Villa Park on December 30th, assess the squad, buy and sell players in 31 days, galvanzie the playing staff and coaching staff, and not want a long term committment by the board for his plans. Aside from rent-a-managers like Hiddink who isn't interested and even if he was would only want top jobs, there is nobody out there that I can think of. Can you?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1126 on: December 30, 2010, 07:49:59 PM »
Who do I want? Anyone but Houllier! Please God his time is at an end & we will have a new man in by the Sunderland game.
Smashing. I think Dowie's available. Curbishley and Megson are probably at a loose end as well. We could probably tempt Gregory back from Israel as well.

Shame Newcastle already snapped up Pardew.

I'm guessing you didn't actually mean 'anybody'?


dont forget Big Sam, Strachan, Ferguson jrn and Phil Brown all available ASAP

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1127 on: December 30, 2010, 07:51:14 PM »
It's the motivational side of GH that worries me, or lack of it. Liverpool was a good case in point. He could'nt even motivate the players against a side without Gerrard and Torres and instead we found ourselves 2 goals down inside 10 mins.

I agree to a point, but why do professionals need motivation, especially at this level, at the start of a game. These aren't kids. These are grown men paid handsomely to do a job.

I agree entirely, but if we are dragged into a relegation scrap, we need someone who's going to get 100% out of his players and i'm just not sure if GH is capable of it.

Exactly, I am convinced he has lost the dressing room, only the senior players have made their displeasure known & I am afraid he will throw the baby out with the bathwater in an attempt to exert his authority

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1128 on: December 30, 2010, 07:52:11 PM »
Who do I want? Anyone but Houllier! Please God his time is at an end & we will have a new man in by the Sunderland game.
Smashing. I think Dowie's available. Curbishley and Megson are probably at a loose end as well. We could probably tempt Gregory back from Israel as well.

Shame Newcastle already snapped up Pardew.

I'm guessing you didn't actually mean 'anybody'?


dont forget Big Sam, Strachan, Ferguson jrn and Phil Brown all available ASAP

how about that fat fuck Paul Jewell? Wasn't he the next big thing while at Wigan?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1129 on: December 30, 2010, 07:53:50 PM »
It's the motivational side of GH that worries me, or lack of it. Liverpool was a good case in point. He could'nt even motivate the players against a side without Gerrard and Torres and instead we found ourselves 2 goals down inside 10 mins.

I agree to a point, but why do professionals need motivation, especially at this level, at the start of a game. These aren't kids. These are grown men paid handsomely to do a job.

I agree entirely, but if we are dragged into a relegation scrap, we need someone who's going to get 100% out of his players and i'm just not sure if GH is capable of it.

Exactly, I am convinced he has lost the dressing room, only the senior players have made their displeasure known & I am afraid he will throw the baby out with the bathwater in an attempt to exert his authority

which "senior" players? If you're referring to Carew or Dunne then they don't represent the majority. I don't even consider Ireland as Villa player. I've not heard Downing, Petrov, Ash, Gabby or Heskey say anything bad about him. Have you?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1130 on: December 30, 2010, 07:55:58 PM »
If he does go and I don't think he will be sacked, how about Martin Jol?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1131 on: December 30, 2010, 07:57:42 PM »
If he does go and I don't think he will be sacked, how about Martin Jol?
How about any of the three managers who were doing better than Jol in the mediocre Dutch league when he left Ajax?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1132 on: December 30, 2010, 07:58:12 PM »
Well quite. Any 'senior player' who leaves after failing to pull his weight, and briefs anonymously against his employers, better bring his earplugs if he ever comes back to VP.

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1133 on: December 30, 2010, 07:58:20 PM »
Who do I want? Anyone but Houllier! Please God his time is at an end & we will have a new man in by the Sunderland game.
Smashing. I think Dowie's available. Curbishley and Megson are probably at a loose end as well. We could probably tempt Gregory back from Israel as well.

Shame Newcastle already snapped up Pardew.

I'm guessing you didn't actually mean 'anybody'?


dont forget Big Sam, Strachan, Ferguson jrn and Phil Brown all available ASAP

I think at this moment in time with the fear of what Houllier will do to this club, I mean exactly that. I don't think the board would appoint anyone worse. Then again I didn't believe they would appoint Houllier in the first place.

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1134 on: December 30, 2010, 07:59:09 PM »
If he does go and I don't think he will be sacked, how about Martin Jol?


i'd be happy with him,
 but he would still have many of the same problems to sort out that Houllier has, re senoir players, new playing style etc

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1135 on: December 30, 2010, 07:59:58 PM »
It's the motivational side of GH that worries me, or lack of it. Liverpool was a good case in point. He could'nt even motivate the players against a side without Gerrard and Torres and instead we found ourselves 2 goals down inside 10 mins.

I agree to a point, but why do professionals need motivation, especially at this level, at the start of a game. These aren't kids. These are grown men paid handsomely to do a job.

I agree entirely, but if we are dragged into a relegation scrap, we need someone who's going to get 100% out of his players and i'm just not sure if GH is capable of it.

Exactly, I am convinced he has lost the dressing room, only the senior players have made their displeasure known & I am afraid he will throw the baby out with the bathwater in an attempt to exert his authority

which "senior" players? If you're referring to Carew or Dunne then they don't represent the majority. I don't even consider Ireland as Villa player. I've not heard Downing, Petrov, Ash, Gabby or Heskey say anything bad about him. Have you?

Yes

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1136 on: December 30, 2010, 08:01:16 PM »
If he does go and I don't think he will be sacked, how about Martin Jol?

But isn't it a little bit concerning that Martin Jol, in the space of something 4 years has managed 3 teams and is now out of a job? While he brings some credibility, he brings zero stability. In fact, if he was manager, I'd expect him to be gone as soon as the next "bigger" job came up somewhere across Europe.

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1137 on: December 30, 2010, 08:02:11 PM »
In the summer there was a major call for Jol, he came top in the wanted Poll, he is now available? clearly opinion has now changed.

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1138 on: December 30, 2010, 08:02:29 PM »
It's the motivational side of GH that worries me, or lack of it. Liverpool was a good case in point. He could'nt even motivate the players against a side without Gerrard and Torres and instead we found ourselves 2 goals down inside 10 mins.

I agree to a point, but why do professionals need motivation, especially at this level, at the start of a game. These aren't kids. These are grown men paid handsomely to do a job.

I agree entirely, but if we are dragged into a relegation scrap, we need someone who's going to get 100% out of his players and i'm just not sure if GH is capable of it.

Exactly, I am convinced he has lost the dressing room, only the senior players have made their displeasure known & I am afraid he will throw the baby out with the bathwater in an attempt to exert his authority

which "senior" players? If you're referring to Carew or Dunne then they don't represent the majority. I don't even consider Ireland as Villa player. I've not heard Downing, Petrov, Ash, Gabby or Heskey say anything bad about him. Have you?

Yes

Yes, what? That those players said bad things about him? Ok, so what did they say?

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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #1139 on: December 30, 2010, 08:03:01 PM »
Compared to players managers are relatively cheap.   Just pick the one you want and make him and his club an offer they cant refuse.   Bill Kenwright is always strapped for cash.   Prise Moyes away from Everton.   

 


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