Gerard Houllier

[Toronto Villa]

This one:

In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times.  Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common.  The correction of our faults was left too late.   The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.

Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first?  Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions?   There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.

When you can produce  some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.

One question. Since when did 3 months become too much time?

[Brend'Watkins]

When I seen the appointment of GH I thought we'd see the start of the club taking the course of the French National team. 

So far he has managed to get some of the team to be a bunch of whingers blaming the coaching and the management, he's managed to alienate some of the players and he's now also managed to get the team to surrender at the first attack.  Next up a few hand ball assisted goals.

[hawkeye]

This one:

In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times.  Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common.  The correction of our faults was left too late.   The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.

Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first?  Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions?   There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.

When you can produce  some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.

You are right Legion, it is good food for thought.

[Willie Anderson]

Houllier was a terrible, terrible appointment. We all knew it, most of the pundits knew, but the board did not.

Include me out please.

And me please.

Include me in. The man is an old gallic DOL

It puzzles me that everyone could know that one of the most knowledgeable football men in Europe, who won five trophies as Liverpool manager and two chamipionships as coach of Lyon was a terrible, terrible appointment.

Jo Venglos, SGT PtII. Deja Vu anyone?

[john e]

houllier has come in and tried to play a different style of football,
 he's also got the team training harder and more often as he has said we arnt fit enough,
 this has been one of the reasons that some senoir players have fallen out with him !!

and some people take the side of the players ?

get out of the club you lazy twats, if you cant try a bit harder in bad times they might as well piss off whoever they are

[wif]

In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times.  Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common.  The correction of our faults was left too late.   The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.

Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first?  Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions?   There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.

When you can produce  some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.

The honest answer to most of those is "I don't know, I don't spend enough time at Bodymoor Heath to possibly know"  unless you have much greater inside knowledge than I'm assuming you have.

[hawkeye]

The question that Brian Greens post raises.
 Is GH impact on the team reversable even with mney available in January.
I have sat on the fence regarding sacking him before the end of the season but I do find the absence of any comments in support of GH  from the players concerning. In fact has there been any comment from anyone at the club supporting the Manager?

[rutski]

i believe that houllier wants to play expansive football but hasnt the personnel there to do it, i also believe we have far too much to go down but it aint gonna be easy! Get rid of the wankers and we will see something different grow next term!
The club aint just gonna fuck this guy off!

He is there for the duration and you better get used to it! I think it willl be worth the wait.

[Willie Anderson]

This one:

In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times.  Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common.  The correction of our faults was left too late.   The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.

Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first?  Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions?   There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.

When you can produce  some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.

One question. Since when did 3 months become too much time?

Since we got 20 points from 19 games

[rutski]

no one has gone down with 40 from 38 for years!

[john e]

no one has gone down with 40 from 38 for years!

your not doing anything to support the argument of getting rid of the Mananger and start playing hoof ball to save our souls with those sort of fact are you mate

[rutski]

no one has gone down with 40 from 38 for years!

your not doing anything to support the argument of getting rid of the Mananger and start playing hoof ball to save our souls with those sort of fact are you mate

my worst nightmare is big sam coming in and saving the club!, what from i dont know??

[Toronto Villa]

This one:

In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times.  Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common.  The correction of our faults was left too late.   The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.

Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first?  Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions?   There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.

When you can produce  some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.

One question. Since when did 3 months become too much time?

Since we got 20 points from 19 games

so we're going to blame the 6-0 at Newcastle and elimination from Europe on him also? How about that we didn't actually buy anyone in the summer? How about that one of our "leaders" Richard Dunne has been completely out of shape since the summer, and has made no effort to improve that? How about that Stephen Ireland, a player most of thought could really help us, doesn't give a bollocks about the club? How about that the previous manager decided to pull the shoot just as the season was about to start. Is that down to Houllier also? Are the injuries his fault? How about conceding late goals at Stoke and Fulham. Are they not the responsibility of the players, or is that his fault too? Those 4 points as a starter without considering other games we've conceded late leads put us comfortably in mid-table.

I concede readily that I thought we'd have a few more points and that he's made mistakes. But it's important to consider all other factors as opposed to simply dragging out one stat to support your position in an argument.

[wif]

The question that Brian Greens post raises.
 Is GH impact on the team reversable even with mney available in January.
I have sat on the fence regarding sacking him before the end of the season but I do find the absence of any comments in support of GH  from the players concerning. In fact has there been any comment from anyone at the club supporting the Manager?

I think it would be exceptionally weird is the players did come out and make comments in support of the manager.  Paul Faulkner came out three weeks ago and said "nothing to see here" or words to that effect.  Given the club's usual reticence and the General's newly imposed silence, I reckon that's all we're going to hear from anyone for a while...

[john e]

no one has gone down with 40 from 38 for years!

your not doing anything to support the argument of getting rid of the Mananger and start playing hoof ball to save our souls with those sort of fact are you mate

my worst nightmare is big sam coming in and saving the club!, what from i dont know??

same.
i wouldnt want relegation, but i could handle it, have done before, and whats more i'd back our youngsters to come straight back up

however if big Sam took over it would be the single worst day of my Villa supporting life without a doubt,
 even if he kept us up, having to put up with that unadulterated shithouse anti football would be terible

if Houllier's time is up after 3 months then i just hope we get someone with at least a few footballing principles