Quote from: hawkeye on December 30, 2010, 12:08:36 AMhe might be off the mark Dave but Libellous?Saying players want the manager sacked isn't far off that.
he might be off the mark Dave but Libellous?
Quote from: Percy on December 30, 2010, 12:11:14 AMQuote from: jonzy85 on December 29, 2010, 04:26:18 PMI think MON's departure along with not appointing a manager until after the transfer window meant that we could not expect to realistically kick on from last year. Losing Milner and getting Ireland also weakened us. I dont think anyone would disagree.However, even after the above events, I dont think anyone, even the most pessismistic, expected us to be 1 point above the relegation places at the turn of the year.The squad we have should be good enough to keep us in mid table at the very least. Granted we have had a miserable run of injuries, but players are coming back and things seem to be getting worse if not better.Houllier has to take the blame for where we are. If we were sitting between 8-12th (where is as high as he thinks we can be), you would have to give him the benefit of the doubt of the circumstances he found himself in. But, I dont think the circumstances were as bad as are being made out. He inherited a squad that finished 6th 3 years consecutively, albeit minus Milner. Throw in the youngsters who have matured this season into Premier League players. Do we not also have some of the best training facilities in the country?Instead of utilising what he had at his disposal he has alienated Dunne, Carew, Ireland as well as supposedly rowed with Lichaj and Albrigthon after yesterday's game. Ok, a lot of the disharmony is rumours etc, but i think in his case there is too much smoke for there to be no fire.Now Dunne, Carew and Ireland are far from blameless. Through a combination of bad form and attitude they have not served us well this season. However, Dunne and Carew have served us exceptionally well in the past and Ireland, the little toerag that he is, has the capability to be a top player. I note it seems to be a popular opinion to get rid of these and let Houllier get his own men in. Well Im afraid I would be of the opposite opinion and say get rid of Houllier and keep our best players, get in a new manager who knows the meaning of man-management and hopefully kick on from there.With regret, I have to say this post represents my thoughts.The big problem here is that once you let the playaers become in effect more powerful than the manager, and able to get him sacked, you're heading for trouble. The most famous example for us was Manchester City with Ron Saunders and look what happened to them for thirty-odd years after.
Quote from: jonzy85 on December 29, 2010, 04:26:18 PMI think MON's departure along with not appointing a manager until after the transfer window meant that we could not expect to realistically kick on from last year. Losing Milner and getting Ireland also weakened us. I dont think anyone would disagree.However, even after the above events, I dont think anyone, even the most pessismistic, expected us to be 1 point above the relegation places at the turn of the year.The squad we have should be good enough to keep us in mid table at the very least. Granted we have had a miserable run of injuries, but players are coming back and things seem to be getting worse if not better.Houllier has to take the blame for where we are. If we were sitting between 8-12th (where is as high as he thinks we can be), you would have to give him the benefit of the doubt of the circumstances he found himself in. But, I dont think the circumstances were as bad as are being made out. He inherited a squad that finished 6th 3 years consecutively, albeit minus Milner. Throw in the youngsters who have matured this season into Premier League players. Do we not also have some of the best training facilities in the country?Instead of utilising what he had at his disposal he has alienated Dunne, Carew, Ireland as well as supposedly rowed with Lichaj and Albrigthon after yesterday's game. Ok, a lot of the disharmony is rumours etc, but i think in his case there is too much smoke for there to be no fire.Now Dunne, Carew and Ireland are far from blameless. Through a combination of bad form and attitude they have not served us well this season. However, Dunne and Carew have served us exceptionally well in the past and Ireland, the little toerag that he is, has the capability to be a top player. I note it seems to be a popular opinion to get rid of these and let Houllier get his own men in. Well Im afraid I would be of the opposite opinion and say get rid of Houllier and keep our best players, get in a new manager who knows the meaning of man-management and hopefully kick on from there.With regret, I have to say this post represents my thoughts.
I think MON's departure along with not appointing a manager until after the transfer window meant that we could not expect to realistically kick on from last year. Losing Milner and getting Ireland also weakened us. I dont think anyone would disagree.However, even after the above events, I dont think anyone, even the most pessismistic, expected us to be 1 point above the relegation places at the turn of the year.The squad we have should be good enough to keep us in mid table at the very least. Granted we have had a miserable run of injuries, but players are coming back and things seem to be getting worse if not better.Houllier has to take the blame for where we are. If we were sitting between 8-12th (where is as high as he thinks we can be), you would have to give him the benefit of the doubt of the circumstances he found himself in. But, I dont think the circumstances were as bad as are being made out. He inherited a squad that finished 6th 3 years consecutively, albeit minus Milner. Throw in the youngsters who have matured this season into Premier League players. Do we not also have some of the best training facilities in the country?Instead of utilising what he had at his disposal he has alienated Dunne, Carew, Ireland as well as supposedly rowed with Lichaj and Albrigthon after yesterday's game. Ok, a lot of the disharmony is rumours etc, but i think in his case there is too much smoke for there to be no fire.Now Dunne, Carew and Ireland are far from blameless. Through a combination of bad form and attitude they have not served us well this season. However, Dunne and Carew have served us exceptionally well in the past and Ireland, the little toerag that he is, has the capability to be a top player. I note it seems to be a popular opinion to get rid of these and let Houllier get his own men in. Well Im afraid I would be of the opposite opinion and say get rid of Houllier and keep our best players, get in a new manager who knows the meaning of man-management and hopefully kick on from there.
Trouble is, it seems they are already more powerful than the manager. I want somebody capable of whipping these wankers into shape.
Quote from: Percy on December 30, 2010, 12:47:04 AMTrouble is, it seems they are already more powerful than the manager. I want somebody capable of whipping these wankers into shape.That's true, but when players can get a manager the sack you're heading into dangerous territory.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2010, 12:48:27 AMQuote from: Percy on December 30, 2010, 12:47:04 AMTrouble is, it seems they are already more powerful than the manager. I want somebody capable of whipping these wankers into shape.That's true, but when players can get a manager the sack you're heading into dangerous territory. The stuff of nightmares. I do not see pleasant times ahead.
Gerard Houllier in trouble as Aston Villa chiefs consider under-fire Frenchman's futureBy Neil MoxleyGerard Houllier's position as manager at Aston Villa is now under review after the club's power-brokers left Eastlands in a shocked state on Tuesday evening. Villa owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner were left reeling by the manner in which Houllier's team rolled over against Manchester City and are now considering their next move. Both Villa Park decision-makers are reluctant to call time on the Frenchman after appointing him just three-and-a-half months ago. But with a wage bill in excess of that being spent by Champions League qualifiers Tottenham, the fact that a dreadful run of just one victory in six - the other five were defeats - has left Villa just one point above the relegation zone means that they cannot look the other way for much longer. There will be no knee-jerk reaction to the dreadful 4-0 showing against City but the next four matches will prove crucial. Defeat by Chelsea this Sunday is unlikely to spell the end but further reversals against Sunderland and in the FA Cup by Sheffield United would leave the 63-year-old fighting to save his job ahead of the derby against Birmingham. Houllier will have to plot Villa's escape route without spending too heavily in the transfer window. The former Liverpool boss has been told he will only be able to spend money he generates in January. At present, Werder Bremen and Leicester City are fighting over a £2.5million move for Curtis Davies but that is the only deal on the table. Houllier was given the go-ahead to sign France Under 19 midfielder Guida Fofana from Le Havre for £800,000 and take Jamaica international Omar Cummings on trial, but the nature of Tuesday's defeat has placed the manager under the spotlight. The Villa boss has alienated so many players that he has few options to swap and change his side. John Carew, Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland did not travel to Manchester. Several others, such as Habib Beye and Moustapha Salifou are also on the fringes. Supporters are also distinctly unimpressed with the arrival of Robert Pires.
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