Gerard Houllier

[Greg N'Ash]

The lack of confidence in the side is worrying but that often happens when your playing kids. Still like him at least to get a chance to bring in some reinforcements. I mean look at our bench against citeh - if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about the present state of the squad then nothing will  If things don't improve in the next month then maybe call it quits as we'd still have time to escape relegation.

[villa for life]

but greg you say, if things don't improve next month, we should get rid..so you are suggesting to give his new signings about four games then...
If we are going to get rid it has to be now, around end of feb/ or in the summer..

[Greg N'Ash]

to be honest if we're just relying on his january signings to come good then we're in trouble. But i hope it will at least give him the options to try something different. As i said look at our bench against citeh - 5 kids and an OAP.

[Concrete John]

you don't know that john. faced with the injuries who would MON have played? probably not the youngsters. A lot would have hinged on him getting some sort of form out of Ireland. Maybe he would have, but to think we'd be up in 6th given the same circumstances is pushing credibility IMO

I didn't say we'd be 6th, I said we wouldn't have slipped this far. 

It's all accademic and opinion only, but I'll leave it there as OzVilla is right - this is about our current manager and not our last one!

[villa for life]

that's an interesting point because I think nearly everyone on here is relying on his January signings...

[eastie]

If randy does back him he has to give him another few months at least to let new signings bed in or get rid now- no point giving it till feb!

If houlier stays we need lots of transfer activity in and out and must get rid of the poison players stirring shit up- dunne seemed happy and fine till Ireland turned up here and Carew has past history with GED as does friedal and warnock.

No surprise the performances of those 5 have been utterly abysmal- friedal has conceded more goals than any other keeper and should be moved on as well, way past his sell by date.

[pauliewalnuts]

As an ex supporter of MON's, i'm as pissed off with him for leaving as any of us on here but for McGraths sake we've got to stop going on about the last Manager - this is about Houllier and the players and whether we have the confidence in them that they can turn this around.

No, you can't divorce the two.

If Houllier is finding it taking longer to settle and get his influence and control across to the players, he's not being helped by having been dropped in it when he was.

He also got dropped into a club which was in utter fucking turmoil as a result of MON's departure.

I'm not going to start to assign percentages as to whose fault it is between MON and Houllier, but I do think that anyone who thinks MON's side of that percentage is anything like zero is living in cloud cuckoo land.

[Concrete John]

that's an interesting point because I think nearly everyone on here is relying on his January signings...

We can't expect a huge influx in Jan, 2 at most that would be first team regulars, so in that respect we do need some of our existing players to pick their games up also.

 

[Chris Smith]

As an ex supporter of MON's, i'm as pissed off with him for leaving as any of us on here but for McGraths sake we've got to stop going on about the last Manager - this is about Houllier and the players and whether we have the confidence in them that they can turn this around.

No, you can't divorce the two.

If Houllier is finding it taking longer to settle and get his influence and control across to the players, he's not being helped by having been dropped in it when he was.

He also got dropped into a club which was in utter fucking turmoil as a result of MON's departure.

I'm not going to start to assign percentages as to whose fault it is between MON and Houllier, but I do think that anyone who thinks MON's side of that percentage is anything like zero is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The injuries have had far more of an impact that MON leaving. If We'd had anything like a full strength squad to chose from over the past few months then I reckon we'd be 5-6 points better off and looking up not down.

[Greg N'Ash]

that's an interesting point because I think nearly everyone on here is relying on his January signings...

well they can do the trick as MON did in his first season. Personally i think some of the kids need to be taken out the firing line so thats a priority and hopefully a few faces to replace the can't play/won't play mob. He's still have to get more out of some of the existing players though

[burtonreferees]

Sack him.....just have a look what happened to the French team at the world cup? He obviously cannot man-manage or inspire a team when they are down?
I know he wasn't head coach...but surely he was part of the problem and could have used his skills to help the team....if he had any?
Just get rid !

[citizenDJ]

that's an interesting point because I think nearly everyone on here is relying on his January signings...

We can't expect a huge influx in Jan, 2 at most that would be first team regulars, so in that respect we do need some of our existing players to pick their games up also.

 

I think that who leaves will be more important than who arrives, to be honest. I suspect Houllier is going to be rather ruthless in shipping some out. I am just holding on to the thought that it will be for 'the greater good' of the club.

[abc123cox]

i was flicking through the sport channels this morning to see what was on and i ended up on LFC and it was showing a match from a few years back when houllier was in charge against Derby and the passion he was showing on the touch line, it was like he wanted to be every player playing for Liverpool and when Derby scored against them his head was in his hands and and he genuinely looked gutted!!

i know he has had the heart problems and been away from the game for a while but his whole mannerism for Villa is nothing but shocking!! yes i think give him time to let him build his own team but i also think is his heart in it anymore???

i am torn 50/50 but we need to see some big money in January or if not see some spirit!!

and it's not all Houllier's fault as we all know but the blame always stops with the Manager!

[Concrete John]

As an ex supporter of MON's, i'm as pissed off with him for leaving as any of us on here but for McGraths sake we've got to stop going on about the last Manager - this is about Houllier and the players and whether we have the confidence in them that they can turn this around.

No, you can't divorce the two.

If Houllier is finding it taking longer to settle and get his influence and control across to the players, he's not being helped by having been dropped in it when he was.

He also got dropped into a club which was in utter fucking turmoil as a result of MON's departure.

I'm not going to start to assign percentages as to whose fault it is between MON and Houllier, but I do think that anyone who thinks MON's side of that percentage is anything like zero is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Sorry, but I think you can divorce the two.

If you look at where we were when Houllier arrived, the squad was, at least in the face of it, behind K-Mac and their were no fallouts like we've seen with Dunne and Ireland.  We were also in the top half (I think) and certainly looking better then we do now. 

So whatever turmoil we had has only been increased since he took over, and that at least cannot be blamed on MON, although I'm sure some will try to!

[Greg N'Ash]

if that squad was behind K-Mac then how come he's not in charge. the sad truth is they were as supportive to him as they've been to Houllier