Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

[django]

Agree about Delfouenso ROBBO. Had a good game but, his neat turn in the box aside, didnt look like scoring. Summed it up when he could have had a shot on the volley from the edge of the box but tried to play it in for Gabby (?) instead. We seem to have ended up in a situation where all our striking options are the sort of player who might make things happen for a strike partner but none of which are the main striker themselves. Especially worrying when our midfield options are so lightweight that we are probably better off playing with only one striker anyway.

[garyfouroaks]

Not good is it?

Houllier out.

[john e]

 our youngsters are the future, brave decisition to play them, if we had have played NRC and Petrov theres no guarantee that the result would have been better, in fact i would doubt it would have been, bearing in mind Petrov did play the whole of the second half,
 and why you would bring on a holding midfielder against 10 men is anyones guess. but as usual the people think the best players are the ones that didnt play

the strikers are all at best average and none are prolific, or even natural goalscorers, GH needs to bring someone in up front to make the difference

[Ads]

If Petrov and NRC had started it still wouldn't alter Warnock being caught out week in and week out. People have blamed Collins for the first goal, but the danger arose from that Scouse tit being yet again, woefully out of position.

Tchoi battered him on the 11th too.

[Arsey]

I thought Lichaj, Delph and Albrighton did very well for us. As did Pires when he came on.

We didn't offer anything like enough against a team playing with ten men for an hour of the game, we are pitifully short of quality in the final third, and very fragile at the back.

We need to stick with Houllier, but there's no doubting recent results aren't anything like good enough, and he needs to get a run together, very quickly.

sums it up nicely.  Lthough, I thought Carlos did okay to be fair.

[ronshirt]

there is no way that shower of shite can be blamed on a bloke who took over a few months back.
Until you ask why Delph and no Coker, because hes made it clear hes leaving ? The blokes first competitive game for 12 months is to start a game. Lunacy.
I appreciate we are desperate but Gabby starting, why ?
All that said yet again Ged puts out a much changed side again what hope have we until we put out the same or near the same team for several games.
None.
Wrong mentality and 2 demoralising defeats likely to come next. Time for RL to prove the media and many fans wrong.
If he doesn't Houllier could be managing a relegation side.

What? No mention of the Anti-Christ? Shurely shome mishtake.

[WikiVilla]

Houllier just fills me with zero confidence
Not someone you'd want to be in the trenches with

Then again he is French....

[ClarrieBlue]

I have supported Villa through thick and thin since 1965. We have had four relegations in that time and this season has a depressingly familiar ring about it. There is always room for optimism with the young players and individual games/performances but come the end of December the table and results don’t lie. The facts have to be faced – WE ARE DOWN THERE. 4 of the next 5 games are against teams in the top 6 or 7 and the other one is Blues which as we all know only too well from history can be a lottery even when they are struggling and sometimes nearly down and out. We don’t have many injuries now although I know a few are probably nowhere near fully match fit. However, every team has it’s share of injuries and “ifs and buts” etc. January signings are going to be vital but rumours of any “match changing players” are thin on the ground. Just gotta hope we somehow pull it out the fire.
PS:- The kids have been a bonus but I guess we’ll flog any that show actual Premiership potential well before they mature. Cahill, Davis, Ridgewell zzzzzzzzz. I think only Gabby has stuck around long term in the last few years.

[ROBBO]

Houllier is trying to see who is worth keeping, he has seen enough of the senior players to know what they're capable of but he wants to give the kids game time to see for himself. Lichaj has been good at right back he is a keep. I would think we've seen the last of Hogg he was given a chance but not up to it, we will see a massive turnover in January i suspect.

[Legion]

We are shit under GH, he has fuck all idea and needs to leave now

so let's say you're Randy. Option 1 - You sack Allardyce. I don't think we are going down under Houllier, and I don't think we would under Allardyce so mission accomplished there. January rolls around and we give Big Sam 10-15m to spend on a bunch of lumpers to ensure we are playing PL football next year. By next August we have another 10-15m worth of additional lumpers, and low and behold we spend the next few years finishing between 8th and 12th every year with football from the dark ages.

Or , Option 2 - you give GH some time to get in the type of players that in the long run will massively benefit the club and play attractive football, even if it feels as though, right now, the sky is caving in?

I'm choosing option 2

Option 2 for me, too.

[Toronto Villa]

Houllier just fills me with zero confidence
Not someone you'd want to be in the trenches with

Then again he is French....

good stuff. I'm glad we can finally turn French are cowards blasts. I was wondering how long it would take some people to go all in.

[hawkeye]

  A total shambles from selection to subs and tactics like a MON team on mogadom begining to think GH has noit got a clue
 

[remy]

I think the team selection was wrong and he should have corrected it after 15mins. Spuds have a stronger squad all round and in much better form. GH should have played a stronger midfield in Stan and NRC - more experienced.

However

By playing the kids they showed hunger, desire and commitment and really stood out amongst the seasoned first teamers. On another day we would have snatched a barely deserved point in injury time, so they werent that far off.

Also by playing the kids he was showing the other players that he will NOT hesistate to play them in their place should they step out of line or out of form.

Im pleased that Dunne and Ireland have been dropped but I wonder if A.Young would have made a difference with his hands on his hips and falling over if the wind changes. Gabby is playing poorly, Carew is nowhere so if Heskey stayed on Fonz would have come on for Gabby.

Its interesting that some posters feel that GH is the wrong one for the job but sacking him on the basis that he is not "vibing" with the players or they dont respond to his motivation or his methods is barmy. Its showing a player power (if true) that is bringing our club into disrepute. Players should respect the manager. Whether he chooses to chastise them in the press or behind closed doors is at his discretion - your playing shit end of. Improve or ship out.

Its sad to see how Spuds have progessed ahead of us in terms of squad, champions league qualification and their 'tilit' at the title. While we have again to restart our 4 year cycle.

Personally I want Fridel, Warnock, Dunne, Ireland, Carew, Beye, Sidwell, Petrov, Davis to be replaced in the next 2 windows and no more Pires level players coming in.

I hope he plays 6 in midfield against Man City or we are looking at conceding another 6 or 7 again. 

[Toronto Villa]

We are shit under GH, he has fuck all idea and needs to leave now

so let's say you're Randy. Option 1 - You sack Allardyce. I don't think we are going down under Houllier, and I don't think we would under Allardyce so mission accomplished there. January rolls around and we give Big Sam 10-15m to spend on a bunch of lumpers to ensure we are playing PL football next year. By next August we have another 10-15m worth of additional lumpers, and low and behold we spend the next few years finishing between 8th and 12th every year with football from the dark ages.

Or , Option 2 - you give GH some time to get in the type of players that in the long run will massively benefit the club and play attractive football, even if it feels as though, right now, the sky is caving in?

I'm choosing option 2

Option 2 for me, too.

sorry, that first line should read You sack GH and bring in Allardyce I guess you figured that out though!

[avfc_1874]

Thought we lost our shape when Heskey went off. Just clueless upfront though, we get the ball in the middle and our attacking players are too slow to make any kind of movement. We're desperate at the moment.