Now Beye in bust up....

[Chris Smith]

MON had the final say on who arrived and what they were paid, more's the pity. when lerner woke up and started querying it was when MON started playing up

That's good enough for me. If anyone understands the internal workings of Aston Villa it's Greg Nash.

hang on, when myself and others mentioned bringing in help on transfers you yourself used to lecture us on how MON would never stand for any sort of interferance and would walk out. Now apparently he was just part of a commitee....how times change.

You know very well that wan't the argument, it's just you getting back into your old trolling ways.

Of course it should be down to the manager to identify the players that he wants but it's then down to the business to decide what to pay them.

if trolling means picking up on your revisionist version of history then i plead guilty.




The board backed him. If they'd said "hang on Martin, 8m for a WBA defender is a bit iffy" he would have stormed out in a huff. Just like he did two years down the line when they saw what bobbins he planned to bring in.

Do keep up, we're talking about wages not transfer fees.

You seem to think that Martin O'Neill is some kind of superman. Not only does he mangage the team to three sixth place finishes and a cup final he also negotiates all the players wages and writes the contracts. What do you think all of the other people who the General says were involved in these deals did?

[sfx412]

When Mon walked out on Celtic, they had lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

When he walks out of Villa, we have lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

But its not his fault, its the Boards ?

Well it is nearly Xmas and we are supposed to believe in miracles.


 

[Villa'Zawg]

no villa manager has ever had the resources that were made available to MON. or the control

nor has any Birmingham manager had the resources available to the current manager nor Blackburn manager nor Wigan manager nor... etc...

[Bosco81]

I think all the other teams pay chocolate buttons but hopefully Gerard is in on this scam so we won't waste any more hard cash on pesky footballers who want paying for the priviledge.

[dave.woodhall]

no villa manager has ever had the resources that were made available to MON. or the control

nor has any Birmingham manager had the resources available to the current manager nor Blackburn manager nor Wigan manager nor... etc...

I bet they have.

[adrenachrome]

I distinctly remember a period early on in MoN's tenure when he was criticised for his parsimony in regard to wages, and he had a rant about overpaid players and how he would like pay to be performance related; there was a Black Adder reference to "a cunning plan".  I also seem to recall that he said he did not mind splashing the cash for the likes of Barry, Gabby and Ash, and this was in response to criticism that we were in danger of losing these players due to him treating the club's money as if it were his own.

How he went from parsimony to profligacy during his time in charge remains a mystery.

[Villa'Zawg]

When Mon walked out on Celtic, they had lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

When he walks out of Villa, we have lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

But its not his fault, its the Boards ?

Well it is nearly Xmas and we are supposed to believe in miracles.


 

It's not anyones fault. It's not true that we have lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts. Or at least not to any significant degree.

Premier League: Average Squad Age - Nov 2010
The average age of the current English Premier League squads.


24.24 - Arsenal
24.77 - Newcastle United
25.27 - West Bromwich Albion
25.39 - Everton
25.47 - Wolverhampton Wanderers
25.48 - Sunderland
25.67 - Wigan Athletic
25.73 - Manchester City
25.82 - West Ham United
25.89 - Chelsea
26.10 - Liverpool
26.11 - Blackpool
26.32 - Aston Villa
26.35 - Blackburn Rovers
26.42 - Manchester United
27.15 - Tottenham Hotspur
27.53 - Birmingham City
27.62 - Bolton Wanderers
28.53 - Stoke City
28.78 - Fulham

[Villa'Zawg]

no villa manager has ever had the resources that were made available to MON. or the control

nor has any Birmingham manager had the resources available to the current manager nor Blackburn manager nor Wigan manager nor... etc...

I bet they have.

There have been massive increases in revenue for Premier League clubs since 2006, I'd be surprised if any of them have spent less in the last few years than in any other comparable period in their history.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

MON had the final say on who arrived and what they were paid, more's the pity. when lerner woke up and started querying it was when MON started playing up

That's good enough for me. If anyone understands the internal workings of Aston Villa it's Greg Nash.

hang on, when myself and others mentioned bringing in help on transfers you yourself used to lecture us on how MON would never stand for any sort of interferance and would walk out. Now apparently he was just part of a commitee....how times change.

You know very well that wan't the argument, it's just you getting back into your old trolling ways.

Of course it should be down to the manager to identify the players that he wants but it's then down to the business to decide what to pay them.

if trolling means picking up on your revisionist version of history then i plead guilty.




The board backed him. If they'd said "hang on Martin, 8m for a WBA defender is a bit iffy" he would have stormed out in a huff. Just like he did two years down the line when they saw what bobbins he planned to bring in.

Do keep up, we're talking about wages not transfer fees.

You seem to think that Martin O'Neill is some kind of superman. Not only does he mangage the team to three sixth place finishes and a cup final he also negotiates all the players wages and writes the contracts. What do you think all of the other people who the General says were involved in these deals did?

The coaching? (winky)

[cdward]

MONs approach (high wages, long contracts) meant that he got who he wanted and we could hang on to our best players, or at least get best price for them, but the other side of that coin means it is harder to get rid of the worst, under performing players.

[cdward]

When Mon walked out on Celtic, they had lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

When he walks out of Villa, we have lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts.

But its not his fault, its the Boards ?

Well it is nearly Xmas and we are supposed to believe in miracles.


 

It's not anyones fault. It's not true that we have lots of ageing and fairly useless players on long expensive contracts. Or at least not to any significant degree.

Premier League: Average Squad Age - Nov 2010
The average age of the current English Premier League squads.


24.24 - Arsenal
24.77 - Newcastle United
25.27 - West Bromwich Albion
25.39 - Everton
25.47 - Wolverhampton Wanderers
25.48 - Sunderland
25.67 - Wigan Athletic
25.73 - Manchester City
25.82 - West Ham United
25.89 - Chelsea
26.10 - Liverpool
26.11 - Blackpool
26.32 - Aston Villa
26.35 - Blackburn Rovers
26.42 - Manchester United
27.15 - Tottenham Hotspur
27.53 - Birmingham City
27.62 - Bolton Wanderers
28.53 - Stoke City
28.78 - Fulham

Take Pires out of that and we would move up a few places as well

[dave.woodhall]

no villa manager has ever had the resources that were made available to MON. or the control

nor has any Birmingham manager had the resources available to the current manager nor Blackburn manager nor Wigan manager nor... etc...

I bet they have.

There have been massive increases in revenue for Premier League clubs since 2006, I'd be surprised if any of them have spent less in the last few years than in any other comparable period in their history.

I'm not saying they have, but Blackburn for one would have had more money available 15 years ago had their manager chosen to spend it.

[dave.woodhall]

And while we're at it, how about using a more revelant number for Today's Fabulous Fact, namely the ages of the players O'Neill used prior to running away rather than distorting it with the new breed?

[Villa'Zawg]

And while we're at it, how about using a more revelant number for Today's Fabulous Fact, namely the ages of the players O'Neill used prior to running away rather than distorting it with the new breed?

I was responding to Malcolm's assertion that he left us with an ageing squad, not that he had a tendency to use his more experienced players. Feel free to make your own point.

[dave.woodhall]

And while we're at it, how about using a more revelant number for Today's Fabulous Fact, namely the ages of the players O'Neill used prior to running away rather than distorting it with the new breed?

I was responding to Malcolm's assertion that he left us with an ageing squad, not that he had a tendency to use his more experienced players. Feel free to make your own point.

The average age of his first team squad was a lot older than you say it was. Your Fab Facts are as misleading as ever.