MacDonald now possibly looking at a move

[dave.woodhall]

The board wanted him to have the job and gave him every possible opportunity to make a decent fist of his caretakership. That's why the whole process took so long.

If they had wanted him to have the job they would have given it to him surely?
Every possible opportunity?  You're joking - 3 league games - Won 2, lost 1, 2 clean sheets and 2 home wins out of 2, 66% win record!!
As for Europa matches, we know what they mean to the club don't we?

It's a pity Fergie wasn't only given 3-5 games - we might then have won the first ever Premiership instead of finishing 2nd and history may have been re-written!

One win over a side who will struggle to stay up, one humiliating away defeat, one shambolic defensive performance against a  second-rate European side (which they really wanted to win) and a lucky home win. You can believe it or not, but everything I've heard points to the board giving Kev every opportunity to prove himself.

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The board wanted him to have the job and gave him every possible opportunity to make a decent fist of his caretakership. That's why the whole process took so long.

If they had wanted him to have the job they would have given it to him surely?
Every possible opportunity?  You're joking - 3 league games - Won 2, lost 1, 2 clean sheets and 2 home wins out of 2, 66% win record!!
As for Europa matches, we know what they mean to the club don't we?

It's a pity Fergie wasn't only given 3-5 games - we might then have won the first ever Premiership instead of finishing 2nd and history may have been re-written!

MacDonald fucked it up big time. One good home performance, one good away performance, then Newcastle and the of course the manner of the Everton victory inspired nobody.

[garyshawsknee]

You can't just become a top flight Manager overnight - if KevMac was of the right material, he'd have been one a while ago, so, recognising this rather than pushing him forward (in hope more than anything) only to find out that he wasn't 'up to the job' so to speak, should have been managed very carefully so as not to get to this state of affairs where we have a) lost our Manager ( O'Runner) b) 'replaced' him with a temporary Manager who was managing the reserves very well and it appears now wants to leave the club because the firts team job wasn't made permanent and to c)  appoint a firat team Manager who hasn't got a start date !!

Only at Villa.

I agree,how old his he now,early 50s? Having done a great job with the reserves for so long now,surely another club wouldve spotted his potential and snapped him up before now. Its a shame that if he  leaves the club,he will slip down the divisions,maybe off the football radar.

[TimTheVillain]

You can't just become a top flight Manager overnight - if KevMac was of the right material, he'd have been one a while ago, so, recognising this rather than pushing him forward (in hope more than anything) only to find out that he wasn't 'up to the job' so to speak, should have been managed very carefully so as not to get to this state of affairs where we have a) lost our Manager ( O'Runner) b) 'replaced' him with a temporary Manager who was managing the reserves very well and it appears now wants to leave the club because the firts team job wasn't made permanent and to c)  appoint a firat team Manager who hasn't got a start date !!

Only at Villa.

I agree,how old his he now,early 50s? Having done a great job with the reserves for so long now,surely another club wouldve spotted his potential and snapped him up before now. Its a shame that if he  leaves the club,he will slip down the divisions,maybe off the football radar.

I guess you could see him at Bescott or the likes and not being paid an awful lot while still being under great pressure to deliver.

Actually, if he did drop down  few divsions to Manage and wasn't a success, he would drop off the football radar.

[MalcolmP]

The board wanted him to have the job and gave him every possible opportunity to make a decent fist of his caretakership. That's why the whole process took so long.

If they had wanted him to have the job they would have given it to him surely?
Every possible opportunity?  You're joking - 3 league games - Won 2, lost 1, 2 clean sheets and 2 home wins out of 2, 66% win record!!
As for Europa matches, we know what they mean to the club don't we?

It's a pity Fergie wasn't only given 3-5 games - we might then have won the first ever Premiership instead of finishing 2nd and history may have been re-written!

One win over a side who will struggle to stay up, one humiliating away defeat, one shambolic defensive performance against a  second-rate European side (which they really wanted to win) and a lucky home win. You can believe it or not, but everything I've heard points to the board giving Kev every opportunity to prove himself.

To be a good manager (not just in football) you need time to build your own team, time to learn strengths and weaknesses of your existing team to get the best out of them and 3 weeks is definitely not long enough to prove yourself in any job (Remember last season we lost at Home to Wigan on day 1!!  but reached 6th, a cup semi and a cup final).

Man City have won only one league game and Mancini has spent £200m on his own choice of players. MacDonald never had the chance to buy to improve, he had only existing players to work with, so on that premise Mancini is not good enough and as he has had every opportunity to make a decent fist of it he should be replaced now -by MON perhaps!.

The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what sort of job MacDonald would have done given time and if the board had wanted him then, in my opinion,  they would have appointed him and given him that time!

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The Newcastle game was incredibly telling. You can't justify giving a manager time after a result so obscene as that, with so many deficiencies on display against such dire opposition.

[TheFoolio888]

With all the talk about KMac being demotivated, and not going to put the most into Saturday's game. To be brutally honest if he doesn't have the professional pride to put in 100%, then fuck him and good riddance.

[Lee]

However good KM was at Reserve Level, and by all accounts he is an excellent coach, Premiership Football is a completely different matter altogether. I cannot believe that the Board at any point thought that KM would make any fist of it, even before the season started, without ANY sort of track record in top flight football.

For them to even allow him to throw his hat in the ring, seems quite crass to me.

[DeeBoy1]

How on earth have we got to this sorry state of affairs?  O'Neill leaving isn't an excuse for this fiasco, every day seems to bring more bad news at the moment.

How on earth do you not think that O'Neil leaving is the single biggest contributor to all of what has happened over the last 5 weeks.

Manager went
Assistant Manager
Coach
Physio
Scout - that fucker knew exactly what he was doing and the fact that the timing would have had the most devastating effect. He knew that a successor would be so difficult to find and ultimately us punters (not me) would eventually turn on the board as they tried to keep it all together

Some would say he is a very calculated and cunning man (MON)

I would say he is a c*** of the highest order.

As for Kev Mac - west Ham was great, Newcastle a disaster, Rapid an embarrassment, Everton nerve wracking, last night again inexperience and niavety was apparrant. And lets face it he has done enough of the messing about in the press as the board ar perceived to have done "Will i wont I, do i want the joh i am not sure"

THis aint a sweetshop you were asked to look after - it was the mighty Aston Villa - if you have the hump then thanks for the effort of tha past but no fuck off also - we want people here who want to be here

JUst like with MON - its an honour for you to be with us - not the other way round

Exactly mate. Exactly that right there.

[TimTheVillain]

The board wanted him to have the job and gave him every possible opportunity to make a decent fist of his caretakership. That's why the whole process took so long.

If they had wanted him to have the job they would have given it to him surely?
Every possible opportunity?  You're joking - 3 league games - Won 2, lost 1, 2 clean sheets and 2 home wins out of 2, 66% win record!!
As for Europa matches, we know what they mean to the club don't we?

It's a pity Fergie wasn't only given 3-5 games - we might then have won the first ever Premiership instead of finishing 2nd and history may have been re-written!

One win over a side who will struggle to stay up, one humiliating away defeat, one shambolic defensive performance against a  second-rate European side (which they really wanted to win) and a lucky home win. You can believe it or not, but everything I've heard points to the board giving Kev every opportunity to prove himself.

To be a good manager (not just in football) you need time to build your own team, time to learn strengths and weaknesses of your existing team to get the best out of them and 3 weeks is definitely not long enough to prove yourself in any job (Remember last season we lost at Home to Wigan on day 1!!  but reached 6th, a cup semi and a cup final).

Man City have won only one league game and Mancini has spent £200m on his own choice of players. MacDonald never had the chance to buy to improve, he had only existing players to work with, so on that premise Mancini is not good enough and as he has had every opportunity to make a decent fist of it he should be replaced now -by MON perhaps!.

The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what sort of job MacDonald would have done given time and if the board had wanted him then, in my opinion,  they would have appointed him and given him that time!

Using that rationale, what do you think of Houllier's chances ?

[Scott Nielsen]

The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what sort of job MacDonald would have done given time and if the board had wanted him then, in my opinion,  they would have appointed him and given him that time!

It took Kevin MacDonald a mighty long time to even decide if he wanted the job! Once his mind was finally made up, his very brief stint in charge raised concerns. I think that if he had immediately jumped at the opportunity, showing the board how desperate he was to accept the challenge of managing Villa, I think he would have gotten the job.

[Salsa Party Animal]

If he want to do management - he will have to drop a couple of division and work his way up. Would any small club be interested as he is in his 50s and didn't impress in first 2 months of Villa management.

I would stick with the Villa reserve.

 

[Phil from the upper holte]

He isn't good enough end of. If he can't see Young does not work in the free role there is no hope

[dave.woodhall]

To be a good manager (not just in football) you need time to build your own team, time to learn strengths and weaknesses of your existing team to get the best out of them and 3 weeks is definitely not long enough to prove yourself in any job (Remember last season we lost at Home to Wigan on day 1!!  but reached 6th, a cup semi and a cup final).

Man City have won only one league game and Mancini has spent £200m on his own choice of players. MacDonald never had the chance to buy to improve, he had only existing players to work with, so on that premise Mancini is not good enough and as he has had every opportunity to make a decent fist of it he should be replaced now -by MON perhaps!.

The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what sort of job MacDonald would have done given time and if the board had wanted him then, in my opinion,  they would have appointed him and given him that time!

If any of us on here had the job it wouldn't have taken long to see we weren't up to it. In Kev's case it took about a fortnight.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Not only that Dave he's profile isnt big enough. He's not the man I want to see, Maybe under Doug but not now. best place for him ia back in charge of the reserves he was doing a belting job