Time for Randy to s*** or get off the pot?

[Clampy]

What i don't get about Hilts is that he spent months and months telling us that he wanted MON out of the door, and now he's gone, he wants to know why he's gone and what role Randy played?

You got what you wanted (other than Mourinho) so sit back and wait to see who we get next. It was your call
after all.
     

[ktvillan]

I don’t have too many concerns about Randy’s commitment to the club and I think he is being sensible in trying to balance the wage bill against turnover.  When Ellis was in charge many of us complained about his penny pinching and were often met with the retort “would you rather we did a Leeds?”.  My response to that was always that there is a wide spectrum of financial policies to adopt between chronic under investment and Ridsdale’s  shit or bust tactics.   What I think Randy is trying to do is walk that line between those two extremes. 

Unfortunately I think giving O’Neill carte blanche to agree wages was a major error and had the potential to start taking us down Ridsdale Road if not addressed.  The sad thing is that there was a major opportunity to really push on over the last four years with the investment put in, and while O’Neill did okay with it up to a point, I think he could and should have done better. For me  too much of the money, and perhaps the golden opportunity to establish ourselves as one of the big guns, has been wasted.   

It doesn’t mean we have to return to Dougonomics, but I do question whether we will have the necessary funding to challenge at the very top end.

One doubt I’ve always had about Randy though is that his running of the Browns has, by all accounts,  been anything but a runaway success.

[Ger Regan]

It takes a peculiar mindset to arrive at your unsubstantiated conclusion that it was done to inflict maximum damage and to protect his media image but maybe the facts will bear your opinion out, maybe they won't. 

So the fact that he has form in doing this previously doesn't come into it at all with you, no?

[hilts_coolerking]

You should leave me out of this.

Having got what you wanted in O'Neill leaving the club, it is no surprise to me to see your gutless reaction to the potential consequences.  I have to say though, it's an extremely unedifying spectacle.

As you well know, what I wanted was a better manager.  I said many times that if Martin was to be replaced by someone like Hughes or Curbishley - i.e. someone who was no better - then we should stick with what we had.  Personally I think we can do better than that, which is why I think appointing Kevin MacDonald or Bob Bradley would be a serious mistake and would lead me to question, as you are, where exactly we're going.  Equally, the manner of Martin's departure - whether it was something I wanted or not - means questions have to be asked about what's been going on behind the scenes.

[Concrete John]

It takes a peculiar mindset to arrive at your unsubstantiated conclusion that it was done to inflict maximum damage and to protect his media image but maybe the facts will bear your opinion out, maybe they won't. 

So the fact that he has form in doing this previously doesn't come into it at all with you, no?

Sorry, but what 'form' does he have for walking out on a club shortly before the start of a season?

To me their are two schools of thought on this:-
1.  That he's the most evil bastard ever to manage us and has hatched a plot to fuck us over as much as possible.
2.  That we don't know the full reasons behind what happened and we'd like to know them.

Pick which ever one you want, but for some reason number 2 does seem to have a slightly more rational approach behind it!

[pauliewalnuts]

I'll make my own judgement on O'Neill's departure when I know more about the circumstances. It takes a peculiar mindset to arrive at your unsubstantiated conclusion that it was done to inflict maximum damage and to protect his media image but maybe the facts will bear your opinion out, maybe they won't. 

There is, however, one thing which is a fact - he walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

[Ger Regan]

Sorry, but what 'form' does he have for walking out on a club shortly before the start of a season?

Not at the start of the season, but he quit the Norwich job the morning of a game because of differences with the chairman.

[Concrete John]

There is, however, one thing which is a fact - he walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

Yes, he did.  But was that because he refused to work under some reasonable limitations and spat his dummy or he was asked to work under ridiculous restrictions that undermined what he had spent 4 years building and found his position untennable?

I think what Randy does next will go a long way to telling us the answer to that!

[jonzy85]

The title of this thread is a disgrace.

Pathetic, isn't it but no surprise.

Hold on a second...the title is a question I was putting out there.

Judging from the replies, it seems a valid enough one, as there are many varying opinions.

In no way is it meant as an attack on Randy. If Randy has decided to stop spending, I would still thank him for all he has done and understand why he doesnt want to throw more money away. Man City werent there when he first arrived and they have completely changed the landscape. I would completely understand if Randy had decided, enough is enough.

However, having acknowledged all that Randy has done for us, I dont think that means he is beyond questioning.
Questioning is all it is.
As I said previously, I hope I am completely wrong to be asking questions, but I can't help feeling a little worried and clearly I'm not the only one.

[Mac]

I don't see how anyone can defend MON, walking out on us like he did.  History, like with Saunders, may be kinder to him.  All we need to do is go on and win the league and european cup with this team.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I don't see how anyone can defend MON, walking out on us like he did.  History, like with Saunders, may be kinder to him.  All we need to do is go on and win the league and european cup with this team.

Yep - would also be nice if O'Neill managed to get Blues and Albion relegated in the same season, just like Saunders did. Then I might forgive him a bit

[LeeB]

I don't see how anyone can defend MON, walking out on us like he did.  History, like with Saunders, may be kinder to him.  All we need to do is go on and win the league and european cup with this team.

He's a knob of the highest order for doing the deed, but that doesn't instantly make the part the board have played in it all above criticism.

There are still many questions unanswered.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Fair enough, Jonzy. As with any crisis, and let's face it our manager walking out with all the backroom staff 5 days before the season starts, is a crisis, we need to keep our heads and not panic. A quick fix could easily see us go into free fall. WE need to get the right man, not just for this month or season but hopefully for the medium, long term future.

Whilst never a fan of MON's football, I never paniced with his transfer timings. It was frustrating, like now but it's all about getting the right people in.

[john e]

You should leave me out of this.

Having got what you wanted in O'Neill leaving the club, it is no surprise to me to see your gutless reaction to the potential consequences.  I have to say though, it's an extremely unedifying spectacle.

As you well know, what I wanted was a better manager.  I said many times that if Martin was to be replaced by someone like Hughes or Curbishley - i.e. someone who was no better - then we should stick with what we had.  Personally I think we can do better than that, which is why I think appointing Kevin MacDonald or Bob Bradley would be a serious mistake and would lead me to question, as you are, where exactly we're going.  Equally, the manner of Martin's departure - whether it was something I wanted or not - means questions have to be asked about what's been going on behind the scenes.

i to wanted MON out, but also realised that it was a massive game of stick or twist,
many posters said they would rather stick, because they thought MON was the best we could get, thats fair enough.

posters like you and i were prepared to gamble, and said twist, there was no guarantees who the next manager was going to be, we dont live in a ideal reality world,
we might end up with the queen of hearts when we wanted the 5 of clubs, but hey thats the gamble.

i am still glad MON went, even after sundays humiliation, i still have more trust in Randy than i had in MON,

but i'm under no ilusions that it was a gamble wanting MON out, and you were one of his major critics, you dont get everything your own way in life,
we might have to grin and bear it.

but to keep on moaning and critizing after getting your wish is just the hight of hypocrocy,

just have to give it time to see how things work out 

[Mazrim]

The problem I have Jonzy, is not the question but the title. Which is in my opinion, a disgrace and it doesn't do you any credit.

Time for Randy to shit or get off the potty? Couldn't you have phrased it with a wee bit more respect?
Especially as he has "shit" an absolute fortune on this club already. Never mind all the other stuff he's done in and around the club.

Sorry, I'm not having a go but its all part of the vulgarity that's pissing me off in football. All money money money. Its time to get somebody richer so we can compete with all the other lunacy? No thanks. I'd rather have the right man than the richest. Not that I think Randy has stopped or will in anyway stop financially investing in the club.

Personally I would rather stick with him than get somebody ten times richer who may not have the club in his heart as Randy clearly does.