Time for Randy to s*** or get off the pot?

[hipkiss92]

Jesus, this is like a tennis match.

tedious, pointless and not very entertaining?

[Chico Hamilton III]

Jesus, this is like a tennis match

Yep, it's ace

[usav]

New balls please!

[Chico Hamilton III]

"Oh I say..."

[Shrek]

Jesus, this is like a tennis match.

Agreed lol

[Chris Smith]

Come on Tim.

[Fergal]

Still trying to get my head around yesterday and I am trying to take a step back and recognise that it is only one defeat just like West Ham was just one win.

But...leaving aside the results of the past week, I am getting increasingly concerned at where the club is going.

To be honest I dont know what the solution is here. On the one hand I think we need a manager in asap, on the other we dont wnat ot rush out and get just anybody. This is the dilemma facing Randy.

My worry is that Randy doesnt know what to do either. Since MON left he has given us one bland statement and the General has given us several assurances that everything will be ok. I dont for one minute expect them to be disclosing every detail of the hunt for a new manager, but I just feel there is a lack of decisiveness amongst the people running the club.

I dont want to re-open a debate about MON and the timing of his decision to leave. Fact of the matter he is gone.
As soon as I heard the news, I got this feeling that something is very wrong at the club.
Whatever people's opinions of MON are, I think most people would acknowledge that for him to leave when he did meant that there was something fundamentally wrong at the club. We dont know all the details, but MON wouldnt ahve upped and left when he did over something minor.
I've had that feeling since MON left and the club has done absolutely nothing to temper it.

Randy is the bossman, so the buck stops with him. We can give out about MON's timing of departure, but Randy has to take responsibility for letting a situation develop where our manager felt his only option was to resign. Again, without the exact details we cant be too specific on that, but as it with any company the bossman has to take responsibility.

So in summary, am I the only one that is feeling a little disillusioned by the people running the club?
This is not a kneejerk reaction to yesterday's result, however maybe it has brought things into sharper focus.
Im not even sure what Im looking for Randy or the board to do or say, all I know is that what they have done/not done is not enough and I expect more from people who are in the position of running our club. I will say that I am beginning to wonder if we have the right people at the helm.

I hope my doubts are unfounded and I am proved wrong.

Shit or get off the pot?
I think Randy has shit a couple of hundred million quid.  MoN has spunked a few million quid. 
Time to start getting value for money me thinks...

[brian green]

Martin O'Neill left the way he did because he wished to inflict the maximum damage to Randy Lerner.   I think the reasons for the stand off between them is blindingly clear.   Randy wanted the wage bill down but there were no takers for the dead wood O'Neill had accumulated.   Rather than hold his hand up to responsibilty for the purchase and wages costs of the likes of Davies, Beye, Sidwell, Heskey et al O'Neill threw a massive wobbly to confuse the issue and retain his position with his media arse lickers.   It is rather like a wife being caught in bed with the lodger screaming blue murder about the mud the husband has trodden into the bedroom carpet.

[Mazrim]

The title of this thread is a disgrace.

[Lizz]

Couldn't disagree with you Brian, even if I wanted to. Which I don't.

[hilts_coolerking]

I guess my point is that if ever there was a time to question Randy's motives and desire it is now - at a time when there is debate about how much money is available, how far the wage bill has to come down, what calibre of managerial apppointment we can achieve, what our medium- and long-term ambitions are and what was so bad about the whole situation that made a very popular (albeit not with me) manager feel he had to quit.

I think now is a highly appropriate time to be asking questions of the Board, and asking questions about Randy's motives and desire.  I say that not because I have an axe to grind but simply because those are questions that should be asked. It may be that there are satisfactory or even encouraging answers to all of them.

[Salsa Party Animal]

Please stop this abuse against Randy Lerner. He can't be here 100% of time when he got his other projects and Cleveland Browns and family to deal with.

He had put his money in, and doesn't have unlimited amount of money like Oil Tycoons.

We will have a better idea of what will happens when he appoints new manager and how much transfer kitty he will get.

Do you want Herbert Douglas Ellis back in charge.

[Chris Smith]

Martin O'Neill left the way he did because he wished to inflict the maximum damage to Randy Lerner.   I think the reasons for the stand off between them is blindingly clear.   Randy wanted the wage bill down but there were no takers for the dead wood O'Neill had accumulated.   Rather than hold his hand up to responsibilty for the purchase and wages costs of the likes of Davies, Beye, Sidwell, Heskey et al O'Neill threw a massive wobbly to confuse the issue and retain his position with his media arse lickers.   It is rather like a wife being caught in bed with the lodger screaming blue murder about the mud the husband has trodden into the bedroom carpet.

Far too black and white, Brian.

I don't believe that is was as coldly calculated as you suggest, but I can see why people want to make themselves feel better by believing it.

I'm also at a loss to how people absolve the owner and chairman from any responsibility for the wage bill. If we got ourselves into a situation where we were playing people too much then they are all culpable.

[Risso]

I'm also at a loss to how people absolve the owner and chairman from any responsibility for the wage bill. If we got ourselves into a situation where we were playing people too much then they are all culpable.

I agree with you up to a point Chris, but in most organisations managers are given a budget, and are then judged on the results.  For example, at work we gave the sales and marketing director permission to spend more on a Google Adwords campaign.  We'll expect to see an uplift in sales leads as a result.  If it doesn't happen, her saying "you agreed to let me spend the money" won't wash.  Similarly, Randy allowed O'Neill to spend the money, but wasn't rewarded with value for money from at least half of O'Neill's signings.

[dave.woodhall]

Martin O'Neill left the way he did because he wished to inflict the maximum damage to Randy Lerner.   I think the reasons for the stand off between them is blindingly clear.   Randy wanted the wage bill down but there were no takers for the dead wood O'Neill had accumulated.   Rather than hold his hand up to responsibilty for the purchase and wages costs of the likes of Davies, Beye, Sidwell, Heskey et al O'Neill threw a massive wobbly to confuse the issue and retain his position with his media arse lickers.   It is rather like a wife being caught in bed with the lodger screaming blue murder about the mud the husband has trodden into the bedroom carpet.

Far too black and white, Brian.

I don't believe that is was as coldly calculated as you suggest, but I can see why people want to make themselves feel better by believing it.

Why would anyone want to "make themselves feel better" and will a day ever go by without you making another sly little dig at anyone who disagrees with you?