Time for Randy to s*** or get off the pot?

[Rancid custard]

This is a tagent, but a point that I think needs addressing.

The money in football is ridiculous, a point will come somewhere in the future when the banks say enough, the fans say enough and the power shifts away from the TV people, agents and players. I think Randy knows this.

I don't want to be a fan of a club that goes tits up because of it's own greed or imprudent spending. Maybe not immediately but this needs to be addressed, if shipping out the high wage big names and promoting the youth is the best way of getting this under control I'm all for it. I want success like any fan, but not at the cost of us falling down the khazi. This should be our long term plan, let the Man cities and Liverpools of the world crumble, and we'll be there waiting to reap the reward.

[Stu]

Amazing how one word can trigger so many guilty responses.
How many of those who went to Newcastle were on here shouting loud for KM as manager and then demanding RL to act quickly
None I'd reckon.
As I said its time some fans woke up, RL will take his time and hopefully make the right decision.

Oh, give it a rest.

Mustn't feed the troll.

[Shrek]

One thing that I am happy about is KM interview after the game, he acknowledges he got it wrong and intends too correct it.
 
Randy has probably seen this and will maintain we must not rush, but get the beat man!

[Ads]

Pity he didn't correct it at half time when it was as plain as the nose on his face that despite Barton et al being a load of horse shit, they were easily out muscling us and we couldn't win the ball back.

[john e]

And in the mean time, the hardest working side in the league will rock up on Sunday and smash the fuck out of us to claim their first win while he procrastinates.

bet they dont

[Toronto Villa]

If anybody needs clarification on how the board feel about the current situation you should read the General's latest post. It is top drawer, and shows clearly how much they understand, care and clearly offended by anyone suggesting they don't. I find it astonishing that anyone would question Randy's motives or desire after what he has done in 4 years. Some people really do to that for granted. Look around at the other clubs. I can't think of a better owner than ours.

[hilts_coolerking]

I find it astonishing that anyone would question Randy's motives or desire after what he has done in 4 years.

Martin O'Neill did, seemingly.  The same Martin O'Neill that you and many others supported indefatigably for those same 4 years.

Does the General's post make me more or less reassured that Randy won't appoint Kevin MacDonald or Bob Bradley?  No.

We all appreciate him taking the time to post here because he doesn't have to but let's not go overboard.  His latest post tells us more or less what all his other posts tell us about what is actually going on behind the scenes - i.e. very little.

[Clampy]

What was it DOL said about some Villa fans ah yes fickle. Perhaps he had a point.

The only thing Dolly ever did at this football club was leave us with this unfair tag. Time to give it a rest I reckon.

6th was a good finish first season too, and he bought some decent players who Mon could never replace.

Yeah, if only we still had the likes of Gavin McCann and Leonardshen.

What an idiot.

[Toronto Villa]

I find it astonishing that anyone would question Randy's motives or desire after what he has done in 4 years.

Martin O'Neill did, seemingly.  The same Martin O'Neill that you and many others supported indefatigably for those same 4 years.

Does the General's post make me more or less reassured that Randy won't appoint Kevin MacDonald or Bob Bradley?  No.

We all appreciate him taking the time to post here because he doesn't have to but let's not go overboard.  His latest post tells us more or less what all his other posts tell us about what is actually going on behind the scenes - i.e. very little.

See hilts, I didn't support him blindly at all. Maybe you can dig up some posts backing that up. What I will admit to is that I did back him for the most part because he did improve the club, and I wasn't going to criticise him or start one of numerous anti-MON threads for the sake of it which a number of people did even when it wasn't justified. It would be no different if I said you were one of those people who only criticized him. Both would be wrong. Don't make things up to suit your argument.

[hilts_coolerking]

See hilts, I didn't support him blindly at all. Maybe you can dig up some posts backing that up. What I will admit to is that I did back him for the most part because he did improve the club, and I wasn't going to criticise him or start one of numerous anti-MON threads for the sake of it which a number of people did even when it wasn't justified. It would be no different if I said you were one of those people who only criticized him. Both would be wrong. Don't make things up to suit your argument.

I didn't say "blindly"; I said "indefatigably".  My point is that the man whose judgement you were foursquare behind - way more often than not - came to a view about the way Randy was running the club and resigned because of it.

So for you to say you find it "astonishing" that "anyone" would question Randy after 4 years is, frankly, astonishing.  A man whose judgement up until very very recently you set so much store by did exactly that.  That must tell you something is not quite right.  Martin was wrong to leave in the way he did but I think we'd all agree that there was something substantial behind him doing it.

In any case the issue is not what Randy's motives and desire have been over the last four years but rather what they are for the next four.

[Toronto Villa]

See hilts, I didn't support him blindly at all. Maybe you can dig up some posts backing that up. What I will admit to is that I did back him for the most part because he did improve the club, and I wasn't going to criticise him or start one of numerous anti-MON threads for the sake of it which a number of people did even when it wasn't justified. It would be no different if I said you were one of those people who only criticized him. Both would be wrong. Don't make things up to suit your argument.

I didn't say "blindly"; I said "indefatigably".  My point is that the man whose judgement you were foursquare behind - way more often than not - came to a view about the way Randy was running the club and resigned because of it.

So for you to say you find it "astonishing" that "anyone" would question Randy after 4 years is, frankly, astonishing.  A man whose judgement up until very very recently you set so much store by did exactly that.  That must tell you something is not quite right.  Martin was wrong to leave in the way he did but I think we'd all agree that there was something substantial behind him doing it.

In any case the issue is not what Randy's motives and desire have been over the last four years but rather what they are for the next four.

Do you actually know what "indefatigably" means? In this context it suggests that I defended him tirelessly and unflaggingly. Therefore in esssence showed blind faith. Something that is completely false. Like I said, bring up the facts.

The two situations don't have to be linked. Randy Lerner clearly stated that they no longer shared a common view, so why could I not have supported both when they DID share a common view? Or are you going to suggest that was not possible?

[hilts_coolerking]

If I meant "blindly" I would have said "blindly"; I meant "indefatigably" which is why I said "indefatigably".  The likes of villadawg defended him blindly - that is to say in defiance of all evidence to the contrary - but for your own part you did defend him tirelessly and unflaggingly until very very recently.   So I can't believe you're asking me to dredge up all the posts you made, many of them in response to my own, where you were resolute in your defence of O'Neill, his methods and judgements.

Which is why I find it difficult to fathom why you're now saying there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to question Randy.  Martin O'Neill's decision to quit five days before the start of the new season is reason enough in itself to question Randy.  And, as someone who had as much faith in Martin as almost anyone on H&V did, I'm very surprised by what you said.  I'm not saying Randy has definitely got this wrong but there is undoubtedly good reason to question what he is doing, and what he is planning to do.

[Toronto Villa]

If I meant "blindly" I would have said "blindly"; I meant "indefatigably" which is why I said "indefatigably".  The likes of villadawg defended him blindly - that is to say in defiance of all evidence to the contrary - but for your own part you did defend him tirelessly and unflaggingly until very very recently.   So I can't believe you're asking me to dredge up all the posts you made, many of them in response to my own, where you were resolute in your defence of O'Neill, his methods and judgements.

Which is why I find it difficult to fathom why you're now saying there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to question Randy.  Martin O'Neill's decision to quit five days before the start of the new season is reason enough in itself to question Randy.  And, as someone who had as much faith in Martin as almost anyone on H&V did, I'm very surprised by what you said.  I'm not saying Randy has definitely got this wrong but there is undoubtedly good reason to question what he is doing, and what he is planning to do.

You are really are exhausting. If you're out to score points then find someone else because quite clearly instead debating the point that I am making you have turned this into my perspective on MON. I might as well do the same thing with to you and suggest that you indefatigably criticised him, and as such how could you possibly ever commend Randy Lerner because he defended MON too.

[hilts_coolerking]

You are really are exhausting. If you're out to score points then find someone else because quite clearly instead debating the point that I am making you have turned this into my perspective on MON. I might as well do the same thing with to you and suggest that you indefatigably criticised him, and as such how could you possibly ever commend Randy Lerner because he defended MON too.

This isn't about points-scoring.  All I'm trying to do is understand why you find it astonishing for anyone to question Randy's motives and desire at a time when a manager, of whom you were very supportive, quit the club with precisely those motives and desire apparently central to his decision.  I would have thought that would make you at least wonder what was going on, what Martin felt was intolerable, what direction we're now going in and so on.  In other words, to question exactly what Randy's motives are now, and how much desire he has to take the club to the next level.  But no, you believe that to question those things is astonishing.

For the last two years he was here I was convinced Martin was not the man to take us into the Champions League and I would have preferred to see a better manager appointed.  Randy was presumably convinced that he did have the right man and stuck by him.  I can see why he did but I didn't agree with it.  So I wasn't sorry in footballing terms to see Martin leave because it gives us the opportunity - should we take it - to appoint a better manager. But the manner of his departure did make me wonder in what direction the club is going.

[DB]

Jesus, this is like a tennis match.