The Martin O'Neill thread (with added sacking #2188)

[cheltenhamlion]

Can someone more savvy than me on technical matters stick up what I wrote about MON the other week for Villa C3PO. Ta.

[Villadroid]

c) I tend to think that telling a manager that he has to make massive cuts but he can't tell the fans, is selfish. Houllier, McLeish were willing to tell that lie to the fans and both paid the price.

Don't get the point you're trying to make here at all.

At no point did the club ever prepare the fans for the extent of the cuts. It started off being all about complying with the FFP rules. It has just been one player at a time until the fans reached their own conclusions, which is now presented as if it was always understood.

The last three managers have all colluded in that dirty little trick. Houllier came under a huge amount of pressure due to the consequences of that plan and so did McLeish.

These guys might be richer as a result but the experience did not exactly enhance their reputations.

[andyh]

Round and round and round it goes.
Where it stops, nobody knows.

[Villadroid]

I do love it when people spout opinion as fact.

The fact is that that is your opinion.

[cheltenhamlion]

Let's turn this round, VD. Why do you think we should owe MON a favour or be deferential as to what he did here?

[Rodders]

Doug paid Ron Bendall £425,000 for his shares in 1982. From that day on he invested not one single penny in the club.

Crikey, Dave! Without wishing to appear naive, is that true? Where can I read more?

[dave.woodhall]

Doug paid Ron Bendall £425,000 for his shares in 1982. From that day on he invested not one single penny in the club.

Crikey, Dave! Without wishing to appear naive, is that true? Where can I read more?

I'm sure I could sell you a book or two...

[Rodders]

I should be delighted, Dave. PM on its way.

[Ads]

O'Neill was ultimately no better than Gregory.

[Rodders]

Dave - apparently I don't have permission to PM you. Would you PM me please so I can reply?

[LeeB]

Dave - apparently I don't have permission to PM you. Would you PM me please so I can reply?

Don't do it, he'll just bag up some old fanzines in sealed bag like they do with the ropey old jazz mags.

[Rodders]

Dave - apparently I don't have permission to PM you. Would you PM me please so I can reply?

Don't do it, he'll just bag up some old fanzines in sealed bag like they do with the ropey old jazz mags.

At my advanced age (39), old H&V's are now preferable as 'reference' material than some gorgeous young filly with out her bags on, shaming her mother.

[Villadroid]

Let's turn this round, VD. Why do you think we should owe MON a favour or be deferential as to what he did here?

I don't actually, I just contrast the enthusiasm for slagging off MON and the cringing reticence to say anything about Lerner.

It just looks like good old fashioned deference to the sacred rights of capital.

[LeeB]

Dave - apparently I don't have permission to PM you. Would you PM me please so I can reply?

Don't do it, he'll just bag up some old fanzines in sealed bag like they do with the ropey old jazz mags.

At my advanced age (39), old H&V's are now preferable as 'reference' material than some gorgeous young filly with out her bags on, shaming her mother.

They're more likely to be the mother.

[adrenachrome]

Let's turn this round, VD. Why do you think we should owe MON a favour or be deferential as to what he did here?

I don't actually, I just contrast the enthusiasm for slagging off MON and the cringing reticence to say anything about Lerner.

It just looks like good old fashioned deference to the sacred rights of capital.

 Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks