The replacement for MON...?

[Simba]

I can also Kev Mac with Sven. I have no problem with that. How they arrange titles and responsibilities might be an issue.

[eastie]

sven has to have freedom to choose his own assistant, forcing kmac on him would not be the answer.

kmac is better in his old job and id like him to get a nice pay rise as a thanks but no thanks , let sven bring his own people in , tord grip would soon get to grips with it!

[Niall]

John E wrote:

the biggest problem with Curbishley, is that he is a bit boring, and we are looking for someone to get excited about,
his appointment wont do anything for ticket sales, season or othrewise.

but that aside his record at Charlton was very good, and at west ham i believe he was under virtual impossible circumstances,

he plays passing football, and is known to favour attack minded teams rather than defensive teams as Sven, Houlier,Moyes, do.
so the football would be a lot different than that under MON

so in terms of the football he might bring ,its not by any means a dissaster, but in terms of marketability it is

he just wont get the time or patience from the fans to make a mistake,
 everything he touches from the start will have to be sucsesfull, just to get the fans on his side,, he wont be allowed a Marlon Harewood moment.

i find it dificult to see it working not so much on the pitch, but in the stands

I think that's spot on. People seem to be going more for bigger names like Sven, Houllier or Klinsmann. I have real doubts about all three of those.

I'd hope for better than Curbishley  but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him

[Holtenderinthesky]

John E wrote:

the biggest problem with Curbishley, is that he is a bit boring, and we are looking for someone to get excited about,
his appointment wont do anything for ticket sales, season or othrewise.

but that aside his record at Charlton was very good, and at west ham i believe he was under virtual impossible circumstances,

he plays passing football, and is known to favour attack minded teams rather than defensive teams as Sven, Houlier,Moyes, do.
so the football would be a lot different than that under MON

so in terms of the football he might bring ,its not by any means a dissaster, but in terms of marketability it is

he just wont get the time or patience from the fans to make a mistake,
 everything he touches from the start will have to be sucsesfull, just to get the fans on his side,, he wont be allowed a Marlon Harewood moment.

i find it dificult to see it working not so much on the pitch, but in the stands

I think that's spot on. People seem to be going more for bigger names like Sven, Houllier or Klinsmann. I have real doubts about all three of those.

I'd hope for better than Curbishley  but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him

His record?  What has he won?  EVER?  Has he finished in a CL position?  A Europa position?  Hell, has he done anything on the scale that we are looking for?

[Merv]

No.

He's an effective operator in the second half of the PL table. That's my biggest concern with Curbishley - not his personality.

[peter w]

Its also rubbish to suggest that we would be on any managers back straight away. We will get behind any manager given the job as we want him to succeed. the outpouring of anti-Curbishley emotion is that we do not believe he is the man for us.

[Small Rodent]

I'd hope for better than Curbishley  but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him

His record is virtually non-existent and has not managed any team from 2 years to the day (tomorrow).

[eastie]

Do you think sir alex would have got charlton in the champions league and spent little- of course he wouldn't.

Curbs hasn't been in a position to win things because he's never had a crack at it with a club of that size, his record in getting charlton up and keeping them in mid table was very good and deserves more respect than some are giving him.

[Captain Trips]

Pre O'Neill we would have been quite happy with Curbishley. I can remember his name being bandied about by Villa fans quite regularly. I dont think he's the man for Villa, but his record is not that bad. Just look where Charlton are now (and to some extent West Ham). Neither of those clubs had money to spare for big transfers so he is almost an unknown in that area of football activity, so still a gamble unless we are not spending big anymore.

[Claret trim]

Curbishley is becoming the managerial version of Carlton Palmer. He wasn't the man to replace Gregory, or DOL. And he isn't the man to replace MON. It would be like travelling back to the Ellis era.

If the Board are stuck for ideas, then they would be better off coming clean and putting someone in place for a one-season term in the hope that the sword of Damocles would give the players something to think about, especially in the second half of the season. You would obviously be kissng goodbye to Ash, but that might now be the lesser of the evils in prospect.

Better to write off one season in this manner than effectively trash three by appointing Curbs (sorry mate, it's nothing personal).

Finally, the Board really do appear totally rudderless. There was previoulsy a thread entitled "Who is Paul Faulkner?" I think that that question is becoming increasingly important. Notwithstanding MON's behaviour in leaving, it surely cannot be acceptable for any CEO to be so totally clueless in terms of the direction in which he intends to lead the football club.

[Chris Smith]

Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.

Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?

Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.

[peter w]

Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.

Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?

Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.

You on the pop, Chris?

[ktvillan]

Playing devils advocate –

I wouldn’t be against Sven but people listing his achievements really doesn’t mean a great deal as the most noticeable ones were achieved when Jack the Ripper was a lad, football has moved on since then. Could he do it now on possibly a limited budget that remains to be seen. He’s certainly got the contacts to find a hidden gem that’s for sure.

Winning the Italian league and other trophies between 1998 and 2000 or so isn't that long ago - in fact around the same time or a little after Martin O'Neill's most successful (in terms of trophies anyway) stint as a  manager in the PL with Leicester.   

[Phil from the upper holte]

With regards to Curb's as the other lad said, He does deserve respect for what he did at Charlton and he only left Spammers because they sold players behind his back.

I still however do not think he's the man for us

[Chris Smith]

Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.

Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?

Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.

You on the pop, Chris?

Sadly no, why?

I think Sven might interest us and I'm not a fan.

East19 thinks that would mean we get Beckham but I don't think it would have any bearing but for good measure I don't want him either.

Edit: Just realised - Mrs Posh Spice - I need a drink.