Other Games - 2010/11 Season

[pauliewalnuts]

Tippy-Tappy denotes style over substance.

Bollocks.
"Tippy-Tappy" denotes a punters dismissive description of good, passing, possession football when they know they're own team either can't do it or is trying but hasn't yet got it right.

There is a reason why most football fans would prefer to watch Arsenal and Barcelona rather than Wigan or Bolton.

 Bollocks? Fuck off.

The reason people watch Arsenal and Barcelona over Wigan and Bolton is because Arsenal and Barcelona know how to win games and trophies.

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

Arsenal have hardly been claiming the silverware in the last few years.

Referring to your example, the important thing you seem to miss is that, although they had Bould, Adams and Keown, they ALSO had Bergkamp and Overmars.

My Arsenal ST holding mate is happy as a pig in shit today, because his team beat Barcelona last night AND played good football whilst doing so. To listen to you, you'd think the two things were mutually exclusive.

And as for Aston Villa not being an aesthetically pleasing troupe, one might suggest that given our consistent failure to fill our ground, a bit more entertainment might go a long way.

[pauliewalnuts]

Tippy-Tappy denotes style over substance.

Bollocks.
"Tippy-Tappy" denotes a punters dismissive description of good, passing, possession football when they know they're own team either can't do it or is trying but hasn't yet got it right.

There is a reason why most football fans would prefer to watch Arsenal and Barcelona rather than Wigan or Bolton.

And why Martin O'Neill is still unemployed.

Thank God. The last thing we need is another manager in the PL that is better at winning football matches than Gerard.

I can't believe he hasn't been snapped up.

Mind you, it cant be long till the Man United job comes up. He's probably waiting for that.

[TheSandman]

Tippy-Tappy denotes style over substance.

Bollocks.
"Tippy-Tappy" denotes a punters dismissive description of good, passing, possession football when they know they're own team either can't do it or is trying but hasn't yet got it right.

There is a reason why most football fans would prefer to watch Arsenal and Barcelona rather than Wigan or Bolton.

And why Martin O'Neill is still unemployed.

Now now. He very nearly got a job at bottom club West Ham United.

If you are going to finish nowhere and win fuck all (as L'Arsenal have done for the past few years) then it's better to do it playing good football and much more enjoyable for the supporters.

However, can you really get away with playing bad football and still win things? For my money: No.

[eamonn]

Nice to see that Wild Willy Bouma scored for PSV tonight in their 2-2 draw away to Lille in the Europa League. Bearing in mind our difficulties at left back this season I wonder if he could still have done a job for us there.

[dave.woodhall]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

[Villa'Zawg]

Tippy-Tappy denotes style over substance.

Bollocks.
"Tippy-Tappy" denotes a punters dismissive description of good, passing, possession football when they know they're own team either can't do it or is trying but hasn't yet got it right.

There is a reason why most football fans would prefer to watch Arsenal and Barcelona rather than Wigan or Bolton.

 Bollocks? Fuck off.

The reason people watch Arsenal and Barcelona over Wigan and Bolton is because Arsenal and Barcelona know how to win games and trophies.

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

Arsenal have hardly been claiming the silverware in the last few years.

Referring to your example, the important thing you seem to miss is that, although they had Bould, Adams and Keown, they ALSO had Bergkamp and Overmars.

My Arsenal ST holding mate is happy as a pig in shit today, because his team beat Barcelona last night AND played good football whilst doing so. To listen to you, you'd think the two things were mutually exclusive.

And as for Aston Villa not being an aesthetically pleasing troupe, one might suggest that given our consistent failure to fill our ground, a bit more entertainment might go a long way.

I said... "Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars. "

You said... "the important thing you seem to miss is that, although they had Bould, Adams and Keown, they ALSO had Bergkamp and Overmars"

I didn't miss it at all did I?

You said... "My Arsenal ST holding mate is happy as a pig in shit today, because his team beat Barcelona last night AND played good football whilst doing so. To listen to you, you'd think the two things were mutually exclusive."

I say... "How are your Barcelona ST holding mates feeling?"

Winning football matches and playing entertaining football aren't mutually exclusive, it's just that in football one outweighs the other by enormous orders of magnitude.

A bit more winning is what is needed at the Villa, if you're in need of entertainment first and foremost get yourself along to the Hippodrome.

[Villa'Zawg]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

So, Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because they play nice football or Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because of the relative capacity of Highbury vs Asburton Grove? I think it is a capacity effect, what do you think?

[Monty]

If you are going to finish nowhere and win fuck all (as L'Arsenal have done for the past few years) then it's better to do it playing good football and much more enjoyable for the supporters.

Jorge Valdano said it. To paraphrase him, 20 teams play in a league, 1 can win. If the other 19 are playing 'results' football, what have they offered? Nothing. Besides, nobody plays bad football and wins titles. People mention Inter's defensiveness, but they would also go to Brescia etc, dominate the game and win comfortably. To do this, you MUST play good football.

[dave.woodhall]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

So, Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because they play nice football or Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because of the relative capacity of Highbury vs Asburton Grove? I think it is a capacity effect, what do you think?

I think it shows that statistics can be twisted to prove whatever you want them to prove. Arsenal's highest gate in 1988-89 was over 54,000 by the way, which means capacity didn't have all that much to do with it.

[Villa'Zawg]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

So, Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because they play nice football or Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because of the relative capacity of Highbury vs Asburton Grove? I think it is a capacity effect, what do you think?

I think it shows that statistics can be twisted to prove whatever you want them to prove. Arsenal's highest gate in 1988-89 was over 54,000 by the way, which means capacity didn't have all that much to do with it.

 I know that attendances in the 80s were lower than than are today but I don't understand what it is that you have proven in relation to this discussion.

[dave.woodhall]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

So, Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because they play nice football or Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because of the relative capacity of Highbury vs Asburton Grove? I think it is a capacity effect, what do you think?

I think it shows that statistics can be twisted to prove whatever you want them to prove. Arsenal's highest gate in 1988-89 was over 54,000 by the way, which means capacity didn't have all that much to do with it.

 I know that attendances in the 80s were lower than than are today but I don't understand what it is that you have proven in relation to this discussion.

No, I didn't think you would. 

[Villa'Zawg]

Do you think Arsenal fans are happier today than when they were winning trophies though 1-0 wars of attrition? Bould, Adams, Keown, Winterburn and Wright were as important as Bergkamp and Overmars.

As you're so fond of facts, here's a few:

Arsenal average attendances:
1988-89 - 35,595
1990-91 - 36,864
2010-11 - 60,005.

So, Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because they play nice football or Arsenal attendances have increased dramatically because of the relative capacity of Highbury vs Asburton Grove? I think it is a capacity effect, what do you think?

I think it shows that statistics can be twisted to prove whatever you want them to prove. Arsenal's highest gate in 1988-89 was over 54,000 by the way, which means capacity didn't have all that much to do with it.

 I know that attendances in the 80s were lower than than are today but I don't understand what it is that you have proven in relation to this discussion.

No, I didn't think you would. 

Oh good, I'm glad it's not my problem.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't think I need to add to your problems.

[Villa'Zawg]

I don't think I need to add to your problems.

Which problems are you referring to?

[WikiVilla]

"Tippy-Tappying" around in your own half going nowhere and eventually losing the ball in a crucial area is where it all goes belly up for us

I'm all for lovely little triangles etc but there needs to be an end result and some progression up the field. And Variety too. See Arshavins winner from the other night, classic breakaway goal, the sort we used to score regularly under MON.