Luke Young Going to Liverpool

[dave.woodhall]

Liverpool aren't quite the force they were. I'd say they're in a similar position to ourselves - playing catch-up to City and Spurs. It would be a sideways move in almost every respect: mainly a squad player, same position in the league, only actually paid less. I imagine at Fulham he'd play every week, he's better than Pantsil or Konchesky.

One difference is that they rarely go more than two or three years without winning a trophy.

[Monty]

Liverpool aren't quite the force they were. I'd say they're in a similar position to ourselves - playing catch-up to City and Spurs. It would be a sideways move in almost every respect: mainly a squad player, same position in the league, only actually paid less. I imagine at Fulham he'd play every week, he's better than Pantsil or Konchesky.

One difference is that they rarely go more than two or three years without winning a trophy.

Except that their spells between winning trophies have significantly increased since the late 80s. Right this second, they're a club with a huge debt crisis and in the middle of a drastic reconstruction of both their team and their expectations.

[dave.woodhall]

Except that their spells between winning trophies have significantly increased since the late 80s. Right this second, they're a club with a huge debt crisis and in the middle of a drastic reconstruction of both their team and their expectations.

Six in the last ten years (Eight if you count the Super Cup).

[Monty]

What you said was years between winning trophies, and they won half of those six in a single year. On numbers, sure, it's been a good decade, but they've won as much as us since MON took over here, and right now they're a club who've seriously downgraded.

[dave.woodhall]

What you said was years between winning trophies, and they won half of those six in a single year. On numbers, sure, it's been a good decade, but they've won as much as us since MON took over here, and right now they're a club who've seriously downgraded.

It makes no odds how many were won in a single year and how you claim they've downgraded, the fact is that Liverpool, in what for them is a poor spell, constantly win more than we do and will be a better bet for further honours.

[Monty]

I'm not denying that, Dave, I merely meant that I don't feel Liverpool are enough of a better bet than us for further honours for Luke to be happy on their bench. Man Utd, fine, but Liverpool? Not right now.

[dave.woodhall]

I'm not denying that, Dave, I merely meant that I don't feel Liverpool are enough of a better bet than us for further honours for Luke to be happy on their bench. Man Utd, fine, but Liverpool? Not right now.

I wish, but I always get the feeling that even in a bad year Liverpool can put in enough good results in the right games to win something.

[Monty]

They've got the individuals, or rather the individual (Torres), who they can rely on to win games through a moment of brilliance (maybe we can also include Joe Cole here - Gerrard's seriously waning with age). Ash aside, we don't really have that, but I do think we've got a more solid all-round team.

[ronshirt]

I do like listening to people that talk sense. Thank you both.

[eastie]

One things for sure , Liverpool will win a trophy long before we do under mon!

[dave.woodhall]

They've got the individuals, or rather the individual (Torres), who they can rely on to win games through a moment of brilliance (maybe we can also include Joe Cole here - Gerrard's seriously waning with age). Ash aside, we don't really have that, but I do think we've got a more solid all-round team.

Our lack of big game players has been an obsession of mine almost as long as our lack of running off the ball.

[Monty]

I mind more about the running off the ball thing, to be honest. We've got the talent who, if utilised more properly, would be the big names we all want.

[eastie]

I mind more about the running off the ball thing, to be honest. We've got the talent who, if utilised more properly, would be the big names we all want.

Or more to the point they will become the big names Manchester city will want.

[Monty]

I mind more about the running off the ball thing, to be honest. We've got the talent who, if utilised more properly, would be the big names we all want.

Or more to the point they will become the big names Manchester city will want.

Indeed! But it shows how erroneous the Galacticos policy of 'big-name signings' is, because the type of team understanding that, say, Barca have cannot be bought in a summer - it must be worked on for a decade.

[Ads]

To do that you've got to win a trophy. It would totally change the mind-set of the players to pick up a cup.