Villa to sell Luke Young on the cheap

[BannedUserIAT]

Luke's been set up to fail here. The fans had been calling for a proper right back for a while. So MoN stuck him in on the right against Chelsea, put Milner in front of him then gave Milner a free role, utterly exposing Young. We all know what happened then.

I've had enough of O'Neill now. I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. The sooner he's gone, the better. He's way way too pig headed and stuck in some old-fashioned 'Clough-wanabe' world.

[Mellin]

Martin O'Neill, you are not Brian Clough.

And repeat.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Martin O'Neill, you are not Brian Clough.

And repeat.

He's not fit to lick his boots.

He fancies himself as a Clough but doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

[*shellac*]

I thought the days of being a depressed Villa fan has long gone by...but recent events...*sighs*

[peter w]

Luke's been set up to fail here. The fans had been calling for a proper right back for a while. So MoN stuck him in on the right against Chelsea, put Milner in front of him then gave Milner a free role, utterly exposing Young. We all know what happened then.

I've had enough of O'Neill now. I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. The sooner he's gone, the better. He's way way too pig headed and stuck in some old-fashioned 'Clough-wanabe' world.

I'm all too willing to join in any anti-MON posts but this one is way off the mark. Luke Young was probably the one player who come away with any credit if any could be given. he had a half decent game.

What you should have pointed out is that after the whole team were shite, luke Young seemed to be the one singled out to be dropped. We did win our next game though, and then went on a decent run. But that would have happened with luke Young in the team anyway as a reaction to that defeat.

Something more has happened. i reckon that Luke Young has gone into the manager and said that he was unhappy at left-back, had words, and that's him done for.

[eastie]

Luke's been set up to fail here. The fans had been calling for a proper right back for a while. So MoN stuck him in on the right against Chelsea, put Milner in front of him then gave Milner a free role, utterly exposing Young. We all know what happened then.

I've had enough of O'Neill now. I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. The sooner he's gone, the better. He's way way too pig headed and stuck in some old-fashioned 'Clough-wanabe' world.

I'm all too willing to join in any anti-MON posts but this one is way off the mark. Luke Young was probably the one player who come away with any credit if any could be given. he had a half decent game.

What you should have pointed out is that after the whole team were shite, luke Young seemed to be the one singled out to be dropped. We did win our next game though, and then went on a decent run. But that would have happened with luke Young in the team anyway as a reaction to that defeat.

Something more has happened. i reckon that Luke Young has gone into the manager and said that he was unhappy at left-back, had words, and that's him done for.

I think you are probably spot on peter.

[BannedUserIAT]

Peter, that's exactly what I meant. He was held up as a scapegoat by MoN which was his intention from the start.

I feel terrible for him as I can see nothing that he's done wrong.

I also wrote that before I saw the James Milner thread so you can imagine how pissed off I am now with O'Neill.

[Risso]

Martin O'Neill, you are not Brian Clough.

And repeat.

He's not fit to lick his boots.

He fancies himself as a Clough but doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

He seems to have taken on all of the bad things about Clough, and none of the good.

[peter w]

Martin O'Neill, you are not Brian Clough.

And repeat.

He's not fit to lick his boots.

He fancies himself as a Clough but doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

He seems to have taken on all of the bad things about Clough, and none of the good.

Maybe we're looking in the wrong area. Maybe the problem is that John Robertson is no Peter Taylor.

[Chris Smith]

The whole Clough thing strikes me a facile.

Any player is going to be influenced to a certain extent by those that they played under but I don't see anything more than a superficial similarity between the two.

It's clear he's not a manager who needs to be friends with his players and has that old fashioned you're either with me or against me attitude which in these days of player power often works against him but I see nothing of any substance to suggest that he wants to be Brian Clough.

Luke Young is a decent player, not at the level some make out but good enough, but he must know that MON isn't a manger you cross if you want to have a future. To have spoken out 2 or 3 times in the press against him, to have turned down the opportunity to play for England and to cap it all off by refusing to travel to Ireland with the squad then he really has only got himself to blame.

Like it or not, MON is the boss and players should know that they do it his way.

[pauliewalnuts]

What has his turning down England got to do with it?

[SteveN]

Whatever you may think of him O'Neill is his own man, no doubt influenced by Clough and others, but very much his own man.

[Chris Smith]

What has his turning down England got to do with it?

Just my perception of MON is that he would think that players should take it as an honour to be picked for their country and that it reflects well on the club when they are. I might be wrong.

The main point is that Luke Young has blotted his copybook a number of times and unless he's totally thick would be aware that MON is not the sort of manager to take that lightly.

In any job you know what is and isn't acceptable to your boss and the consequences of transgressing. Whether MON's approach is the right or not isn't the issue, Luke Young knew the score so can have few complaints. The manager has to be the boss and has to be seen to be the boss.

[Risso]

What has his turning down England got to do with it?

Just my perception of MON is that he would think that players should take it as an honour to be picked for their country and that it reflects well on the club when they are. I might be wrong.

The main point is that Luke Young has blotted his copybook a number of times and unless he's totally thick would be aware that MON is not the sort of manager to take that lightly.

In any job you know what is and isn't acceptable to your boss and the consequences of transgressing. Whether MON's approach is the right or not isn't the issue, Luke Young knew the score so can have few complaints. The manager has to be the boss and has to be seen to be the boss.

I honestly do not think that O'Neill would give a toss about a player retiring from international football, as it would obviously be of benefit to Villa.  Especially when that player is 30 years old or over.

I agree though about O'Neill being the boss, but all these crticisms of O'neill from players are chipping away at his public persona little by little.  In my opinion he's gone from being thought of as a great boss to work for, and the possible heir apparent to Alex Ferguson, to a really unlikeable pain in the arse, who is getting out of his depth at Villa.

[pauliewalnuts]

What has his turning down England got to do with it?

Just my perception of MON is that he would think that players should take it as an honour to be picked for their country and that it reflects well on the club when they are. I might be wrong.

I think you might be. Petrov refused to play for Bulgaria under Stoichkov, didn't he?