Remember that stuff about gay players?

[dave.woodhall]

Footballers have before now started legal action because they've been 'accused' of being gay. Given this, I think we're still some way off the first out player.

[Dante Lavelli]

Excuse my ignorance here, but isn't it now accepted that Homosexuality occurs due to nature rather than nurture i.e. you're born that way rather than it being a lifestyle choice (and therefore can't be "cured" by religion etc).

Seriously I could be miles off here, so correct me if I am wrong.

Extending this wisdom further isn't the amount of estrogen (female) and testosterone (male) hormones one of the key factors in this scientific theory?  i.e. a gay male has a higher % of estrogen and a gay female has a higher % of testosterone.

Testosterone generally being accepted as the hormone which encourages competitiveness and aggression.  Two attributes that are vital for any sportsman (or female tennis player - explaining the higher frequency of female sports stars "coming out").

Based on the above then maybe there just aren't that many gay footballers out there.

At some point, have I had a really rubbish biology teacher or is this not the current conventional scientific wisdom?  

Regardless of the above, who really cares?  It's absolutely none of our business.  If I was a gay footballer, I would want to be the best footballer and partner that I could be and I'm pretty certain being a martyr would not help me towards either goal.

[oldham_villa]

[oldham_villa]

[KevinGage]

I see banter on ere where someone may call someone a poof. It doesn't bother me, but in this age where everyone appears to be offended at something, i sometimes wonder if i should.

It's all in the delivery, I think.

American comedian Tina Fey makes regular references (and occasional disparaging remarks) about gays. And the Irish. And blacks.

Yet it doesn't seem to dent her popularity with those groups. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The moral of this story?
I dunno, perhaps possess an above average IQ, look hot in specs and offend everyone equally. Then you can say pretty much whatever the hell  you want.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

The gay ones are easy to spot.
Delicate but artistic wingers who shy away from hard tackles.

[E I Adio]

For anyone interested in a low level description, the book "Why Men Don't Listen, and Women Can't Read Maps", is a good read.

I read this book and as you suggest it's unlikely to be on a Master's course reading list, but at least someone has made a fist of explaining why I've never met a woman who had either any sense of direction or could usefully read a map.

Sorry, what was that you said dear?

[Chico Hamilton III]

The gay ones are easy to spot.
Delicate but artistic wingers who shy away from hard tackles.

*Immature snigger*

[UsualSuspect]

I reckon a gay player would be as worried about the stick he'd get from other players as he would from the fans. Imagine having to deal with a twat like John Terry if you are openly gay. It's easy to tell them that they should stand up for themselves when you're not the one who will have to endure it every single day.

Indeed.  Just look at the stick le Saux got from that fat twat Fowler for daring to read the Guardian.  The first time a tackle went astray in training it'd be "bender" this and "poof" that.

The fact is, it's just an occupation where you're unlikely to find many openly gay employees.  I had a gay mate in Wigan who was a quantity surveyor, and working around building sites, there's no way on earth he'd have admitted to it at work, no way at all.

TBH that cock le saux deserved the piss taken out of him (not for homophobic reasons) but for thinking that wearing a pair of glasses and reading the Guardian made him some sort of Stephen hawking like figure. Fuck me I bet he had a copy of the Dandy inside

[PeterWithe]

Based on the above then maybe there just aren't that many gay footballers out there.

I think you might be right even if I've no idea on the scientific part of your post. If the percentage of gays in football was somewhere near what it was in the outside world then I'd think some of the more militant gay groups would have exposed the higher profile players for their own ends and the papers and books would have hinted at the retired ones, dead ones and those who cant afford expensive lawyers.

[pauliewalnuts]

I reckon a gay player would be as worried about the stick he'd get from other players as he would from the fans. Imagine having to deal with a twat like John Terry if you are openly gay. It's easy to tell them that they should stand up for themselves when you're not the one who will have to endure it every single day.

Indeed.  Just look at the stick le Saux got from that fat twat Fowler for daring to read the Guardian.  The first time a tackle went astray in training it'd be "bender" this and "poof" that.

The fact is, it's just an occupation where you're unlikely to find many openly gay employees.  I had a gay mate in Wigan who was a quantity surveyor, and working around building sites, there's no way on earth he'd have admitted to it at work, no way at all.

TBH that cock le saux deserved the piss taken out of him (not for homophobic reasons) but for thinking that wearing a pair of glasses and reading the Guardian made him some sort of Stephen hawking like figure. Fuck me I bet he had a copy of the Dandy inside

What kind of inverse snobbery is that?

How does reading a quality newspaper and wearing glasses make you some kind of intellectual? Is this Cambodia Year Zero?

Mind you, I suppose it is easy to look like a colossal intellect when the opposing argument is epitomised by an intellectual giant such as Robbie Fowler.

[Lucky Eddie]

Excuse my ignorance here, but isn't it now accepted that Homosexuality occurs due to nature rather than nurture i.e. you're born that way rather than it being a lifestyle choice (and therefore can't be "cured" by religion etc).

Seriously I could be miles off here, so correct me if I am wrong.

Extending this wisdom further isn't the amount of estrogen (female) and testosterone (male) hormones one of the key factors in this scientific theory?  i.e. a gay male has a higher % of estrogen and a gay female has a higher % of testosterone.

Testosterone generally being accepted as the hormone which encourages competitiveness and aggression.  Two attributes that are vital for any sportsman (or female tennis player - explaining the higher frequency of female sports stars "coming out").

Based on the above then maybe there just aren't that many gay footballers out there.

At some point, have I had a really rubbish biology teacher or is this not the current conventional scientific wisdom?  

Regardless of the above, who really cares?  It's absolutely none of our business.  If I was a gay footballer, I would want to be the best footballer and partner that I could be and I'm pretty certain being a martyr would not help me towards either goal.

My local Womens football team is made up predominantly of lesbians - not sure of that backs up your point or not ..............?

[OldUser]

I reckon a gay player would be as worried about the stick he'd get from other players as he would from the fans. Imagine having to deal with a twat like John Terry if you are openly gay. It's easy to tell them that they should stand up for themselves when you're not the one who will have to endure it every single day.

Indeed.  Just look at the stick le Saux got from that fat twat Fowler for daring to read the Guardian.  The first time a tackle went astray in training it'd be "bender" this and "poof" that.

The fact is, it's just an occupation where you're unlikely to find many openly gay employees.  I had a gay mate in Wigan who was a quantity surveyor, and working around building sites, there's no way on earth he'd have admitted to it at work, no way at all.

TBH that cock le saux deserved the piss taken out of him (not for homophobic reasons) but for thinking that wearing a pair of glasses and reading the Guardian made him some sort of Stephen hawking like figure. Fuck me I bet he had a copy of the Dandy inside

What kind of inverse snobbery is that?

How does reading a quality newspaper and wearing glasses make you some kind of intellectual? Is this Cambodia Year Zero?

Mind you, I suppose it is easy to look like a colossal intellect when the opposing argument is epitomised by an intellectual giant such as Robbie Fowler.

The very, very, very rich Robbie Fowler. I know, I know!

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm aware he owns half of Liverpool these days.

He's still a fuckwit, mind.

[UsualSuspect]

I reckon a gay player would be as worried about the stick he'd get from other players as he would from the fans. Imagine having to deal with a twat like John Terry if you are openly gay. It's easy to tell them that they should stand up for themselves when you're not the one who will have to endure it every single day.

Indeed.  Just look at the stick le Saux got from that fat twat Fowler for daring to read the Guardian.  The first time a tackle went astray in training it'd be "bender" this and "poof" that.

The fact is, it's just an occupation where you're unlikely to find many openly gay employees.  I had a gay mate in Wigan who was a quantity surveyor, and working around building sites, there's no way on earth he'd have admitted to it at work, no way at all.

TBH that cock le saux deserved the piss taken out of him (not for homophobic reasons) but for thinking that wearing a pair of glasses and reading the Guardian made him some sort of Stephen hawking like figure. Fuck me I bet he had a copy of the Dandy inside

What kind of inverse snobbery is that?

How does reading a quality newspaper and wearing glasses make you some kind of intellectual? Is this Cambodia Year Zero?

Exacyly but le Saux was keen to portray that image of himself namely if people think i is clever then i'll get lots of work on that tellybox think

Thank heaven for small mercies...

Mind you, I suppose it is easy to look like a colossal intellect when the opposing argument is epitomised by an intellectual giant such as Robbie Fowler.