Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"Quote from: "John M"Quote from: "Villadawg"top class footballers tend to begin playing organised football at a very young age, long before they have any awareness of their sexuality. If they are playing at an elite youth level when they do become aware of their sexuality in their teens, isn't it more likely that they just learn to keep schtum?In situations like that, I'd imagine they would find themselves moving away from football as their sexuality emerges. Imagine you just realise you're gay and your team has a player that cracks 'arse bandit' jokes in the dressing room, wouldn't you be less inclined to keep playing? In an ideal world the player making the jokes, which would be relatively 'innocent' as he did not know a gay person was present, should be kicked out. But in order to do that the lad would have to come forward, which he would be reluctant to do. It's a similar story in all walks of life, but in the alpha male world of football I think the problem is magnified.That's an indication of how attitudes to homophobia still need a bit of work.It isn't acceptable to be racist just because there aren't any black people around, so surely, strictly speaking, the same thing should apply to homophobia?It should, but society is nowhere near at that level yet.
Quote from: "John M"Quote from: "Villadawg"top class footballers tend to begin playing organised football at a very young age, long before they have any awareness of their sexuality. If they are playing at an elite youth level when they do become aware of their sexuality in their teens, isn't it more likely that they just learn to keep schtum?In situations like that, I'd imagine they would find themselves moving away from football as their sexuality emerges. Imagine you just realise you're gay and your team has a player that cracks 'arse bandit' jokes in the dressing room, wouldn't you be less inclined to keep playing? In an ideal world the player making the jokes, which would be relatively 'innocent' as he did not know a gay person was present, should be kicked out. But in order to do that the lad would have to come forward, which he would be reluctant to do. It's a similar story in all walks of life, but in the alpha male world of football I think the problem is magnified.That's an indication of how attitudes to homophobia still need a bit of work.It isn't acceptable to be racist just because there aren't any black people around, so surely, strictly speaking, the same thing should apply to homophobia?
Quote from: "Villadawg"top class footballers tend to begin playing organised football at a very young age, long before they have any awareness of their sexuality. If they are playing at an elite youth level when they do become aware of their sexuality in their teens, isn't it more likely that they just learn to keep schtum?In situations like that, I'd imagine they would find themselves moving away from football as their sexuality emerges. Imagine you just realise you're gay and your team has a player that cracks 'arse bandit' jokes in the dressing room, wouldn't you be less inclined to keep playing? In an ideal world the player making the jokes, which would be relatively 'innocent' as he did not know a gay person was present, should be kicked out. But in order to do that the lad would have to come forward, which he would be reluctant to do. It's a similar story in all walks of life, but in the alpha male world of football I think the problem is magnified.
top class footballers tend to begin playing organised football at a very young age, long before they have any awareness of their sexuality. If they are playing at an elite youth level when they do become aware of their sexuality in their teens, isn't it more likely that they just learn to keep schtum?
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!One did come out a few years ago, he ended up committing suicide.Didn't he get a tremendous amount of stick from his brother?
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!One did come out a few years ago, he ended up committing suicide.
Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!You could argue its got fuck all to do with anyone do you declare yourself heterosexual?"Hi I'm lucky Eddie just so you are aware I'm straight! Whats your sexual preference?"
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!You could argue its got fuck all to do with anyone do you declare yourself heterosexual?"Hi I'm lucky Eddie just so you are aware I'm straight! Whats your sexual preference?"So they should just pretend to be straight?
Quote from: "itbrvilla"Quote from: "Bigmelonface"Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"Yeah, it takes one brave man to start to change that. First one, then two then three and then, seasons later admittedly, gay footballers will become accepted by society as black players have. It just takes ONE! Yet despite the bravado of the 2010 playing generation, none it would seem are brave enough. Shame on them!You could argue its got fuck all to do with anyone do you declare yourself heterosexual?"Hi I'm lucky Eddie just so you are aware I'm straight! Whats your sexual preference?"So they should just pretend to be straight?That's not what he is saying at all. Just that it's no-one's business but the individual.
Quote from: "olneythelonely"That's not what he is saying at all. Just that it's no-one's business but the individual.Well thats what they have to do and are currently doing.
That's not what he is saying at all. Just that it's no-one's business but the individual.
Quote from: "itbrvilla"Quote from: "olneythelonely"That's not what he is saying at all. Just that it's no-one's business but the individual.Well thats what they have to do and are currently doing.I'm not sure what your point is. I think we should have come far enough by no, that gay footballers can come out and tell the world. But we haven't and people shouldn't feel they have to, it's their choice.
I just think that with the millionaire celebrity lifestyles that they enjoy at the expense of joe public that it would be nice if just one of them showed a degree of the courage it took Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela to stand up against their oppressions.
Out of interest, Lucky Eddie, is there anything in your life that you'd be feel uncomfortable broadcasting to the world? No? Maybe? Yes? Go on, do it - tell us your biggest secret. Let's see how we - and you - cope.
I see Fear's mob are having the same discussion over on VitalVilla. He really does encourage the most neanderthal bigoted morons to post on that website doesn't he?
Obviously if they are a good player then not much else matters. We've seen quite often before how a brilliant footballer can get away with quite a bit off the field, not just at the top level either. We had a lad at school who was so good they held back on expelling him, because his years team had got to the county cup final. Being a chutney ferret would definately get overlooked if that player won us the world cup. That being said, I don't think there's any homophobia in football, or any anti-gay feeling as such anyway. I just don't think bandits are really that into it. When all us normal geezers were playing football as soon as we could walk and idolising our Villa hero's, they were mincing around with the girls playing with dolls and plaiting each others hair.
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