Marlon in the Champions League

[Chris Smith]

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.

I take it then that we won't be seeing you ever compare MON to other managers again. It is relavant because it demonstrates that signing players is not an exact science. Some come off, some don't. I still say that for the job he was signed to, backup to Carew, do he did OK for a season but as soon as our aspirations grew he wasn't up to the job and he should have been moved on.

[Villa'Zawg]

Harewood not a cataclysmic failure?

3 years, started 1 league game.
5 league goals.

4m transfer fee plus, say, 30k a week for three years which works out at 4.8 million pounds

So, that's just under nine million pounds total, or just under 1.8 million pounds per league goal.

It is beyond belief that anyone can say - with a straight face - that Harewood was anything like a decent signing.

Maybe if Randy is thinking of reining in the spending, it will be precisely that kind of casual approach to spending that makes me think he's got a point.

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.

Fair enough, you'll be able to identify mistakes, declare Harewood is catyclysmic failure and O'Neill is rubbish because he made that mistake. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by people who also have signings like Hargreaves and Aquilani in their terms of reference.

I'm pretty sure Lerner understands enough about running clubs by now to know that some signings don't come off. I think you probably do as well but you're not going to let that get in the way of a bit of O'Neill bashing.

[pauliewalnuts]

You're going off on an irrelevant tangent, Chris.

I know it isn't an exact science, I said all managers make mistakes. I know not all signings come off. I specifically said that, because I knew you'd focus on that point rather than face the facts with Harewood.

I also disagree he did a decent job as back up for Carew.

For example, after he came on and gave away the penalty at Spurs, the manager himself didn't let him on the pitch for just short of two months. In that time he was only on the bench once. What kind of good job was he doing then?

As you said, he should have been moved on. He wasn't though, and now here we are with his contract ended, so no resale money, and he's cost us the sharp end of 9 million pounds.

That is, by any definition, a pretty terrible piece of transfer business.

[pauliewalnuts]

Harewood not a cataclysmic failure?

3 years, started 1 league game.
5 league goals.

4m transfer fee plus, say, 30k a week for three years which works out at 4.8 million pounds

So, that's just under nine million pounds total, or just under 1.8 million pounds per league goal.

It is beyond belief that anyone can say - with a straight face - that Harewood was anything like a decent signing.

Maybe if Randy is thinking of reining in the spending, it will be precisely that kind of casual approach to spending that makes me think he's got a point.

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.

Fair enough, you'll be able to identify mistakes, declare Harewood is catyclysmic failure and O'Neill is rubbish because he made that mistake. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by people who also have signings like Hargreaves and Aquilani in their terms of reference.

I'm pretty sure Lerner understands enough about running clubs by now to know that some signings don't come off. I think you probably do as well but you're not going to let that get in the way of a bit of O'Neill bashing.

That's a frankly pathetic post.

I didn't say MON is rubbish because he made that mistake. I said it was a mistake.

I really don't get your point with Hargreaves and Acquilani, unless you've decided to miss the bit where i specifically said I realise other managers make mistakes. Read it again.

Your last paragraph - again, did you actually read my post? And do you find it outrageous that I care about our mistakes in particular?

Nine million pounds wasted on a player is poor. That's not MON bashing, that's a fact.

Incidentally, before you go with that ridiculous MON bashing bullshit, you might want to check out the various threads slagging the signing of Downing, where I'm firmly on the side of those who believe he'll turn out to be a good signing.

Maybe, just maybe I'm saying Harewood was a poor signing because, well, I actually believe it, rather than pushing some kind of agenda, and maybe you could do me the honour of taking me at my word rather than acting so pompously?

[Villa'Zawg]

Harewood not a cataclysmic failure?

3 years, started 1 league game.
5 league goals.

4m transfer fee plus, say, 30k a week for three years which works out at 4.8 million pounds

So, that's just under nine million pounds total, or just under 1.8 million pounds per league goal.

It is beyond belief that anyone can say - with a straight face - that Harewood was anything like a decent signing.

Maybe if Randy is thinking of reining in the spending, it will be precisely that kind of casual approach to spending that makes me think he's got a point.

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.

Fair enough, you'll be able to identify mistakes, declare Harewood is catyclysmic failure and O'Neill is rubbish because he made that mistake. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by people who also have signings like Hargreaves and Aquilani in their terms of reference.

I'm pretty sure Lerner understands enough about running clubs by now to know that some signings don't come off. I think you probably do as well but you're not going to let that get in the way of a bit of O'Neill bashing.

That's a frankly pathetic post.

I didn't say MON is rubbish because he made that mistake. I said it was a mistake.

I really don't get your point with Hargreaves and Acquilani, unless you've decided to miss the bit where i specifically said I realise other managers make mistakes. Read it again.

Your last paragraph - again, did you actually read my post? And do you find it outrageous that I care about our mistakes in particular?

Nine million pounds wasted on a player is poor. That's not MON bashing, that's a fact.

Incidentally, before you go with that ridiculous MON bashing bullshit, you might want to check out the various threads slagging the signing of Downing, where I'm firmly on the side of those who believe he'll turn out to be a good signing.

Maybe, just maybe I'm saying Harewood was a poor signing because, well, I actually believe it, rather than pushing some kind of agenda, and maybe you could do me the honour of taking me at my word rather than acting so pompously?

I'm not interested in your semantic, nitpicking bullshit.

You do your Tonto act to Risso's Lone Ranger on thread after thread, with the same tired old O'Neill bashing.

And no, I don't think I will take you at your word just because you've decided to have a hissy fit.

[AsTallAsLions]

Harewood not a cataclysmic failure?

3 years, started 1 league game.
5 league goals.

4m transfer fee plus, say, 30k a week for three years which works out at 4.8 million pounds

So, that's just under nine million pounds total, or just under 1.8 million pounds per league goal.

It is beyond belief that anyone can say - with a straight face - that Harewood was anything like a decent signing.

Maybe if Randy is thinking of reining in the spending, it will be precisely that kind of casual approach to spending that makes me think he's got a point.

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.

Fair enough, you'll be able to identify mistakes, declare Harewood is catyclysmic failure and O'Neill is rubbish because he made that mistake. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by people who also have signings like Hargreaves and Aquilani in their terms of reference.

I'm pretty sure Lerner understands enough about running clubs by now to know that some signings don't come off. I think you probably do as well but you're not going to let that get in the way of a bit of O'Neill bashing.

That's a frankly pathetic post.

I didn't say MON is rubbish because he made that mistake. I said it was a mistake.

I really don't get your point with Hargreaves and Acquilani, unless you've decided to miss the bit where i specifically said I realise other managers make mistakes. Read it again.

Your last paragraph - again, did you actually read my post? And do you find it outrageous that I care about our mistakes in particular?

Nine million pounds wasted on a player is poor. That's not MON bashing, that's a fact.

Incidentally, before you go with that ridiculous MON bashing bullshit, you might want to check out the various threads slagging the signing of Downing, where I'm firmly on the side of those who believe he'll turn out to be a good signing.

Maybe, just maybe I'm saying Harewood was a poor signing because, well, I actually believe it, rather than pushing some kind of agenda, and maybe you could do me the honour of taking me at my word rather than acting so pompously?

I'm not interested in your semantic, nitpicking bullshit.

You do your Tonto act to Risso's Lone Ranger on thread after thread, with the same tired old O'Neill bashing.

And no, I don't think I will take you at your word just because you've decided to have a hissy fit.

Haha, you guys should do a double act.

[Legion]

Time to calm down a little bit.

[Risso]

I'm not interested in your semantic, nitpicking bullshit.

You do your Tonto act to Risso's Lone Ranger on thread after thread, with the same tired old O'Neill bashing.

And no, I don't think I will take you at your word just because you've decided to have a hissy fit.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I insulted you.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I'm not interested in your semantic, nitpicking bullshit.

You do your Tonto act to Risso's Lone Ranger on thread after thread, with the same tired old O'Neill bashing.

And no, I don't think I will take you at your word just because you've decided to have a hissy fit.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I insulted you.

Sorry Villadawg, you're getting a ted sensitive.
Check the facts, only 1.3599228% of Risso's posts have involved any agression towards you.
Paulie's is even lower at 1.0000373%

[Villa'Zawg]

I'm not interested in your semantic, nitpicking bullshit.

You do your Tonto act to Risso's Lone Ranger on thread after thread, with the same tired old O'Neill bashing.

And no, I don't think I will take you at your word just because you've decided to have a hissy fit.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I insulted you.

Sorry Villadawg, you're getting a ted sensitive.
Check the facts, only 1.3599228% of Risso's posts have involved any agression towards you.
Paulie's is even lower at 1.0000373%

Yeah, you’re right. I have had time to reflect on the facts that my original accusation of O’Neill bashing was without foundation and fully warranted the entirely reasonable “pathetic post…bullshit…acting so pompously” response from Paulie.

I can now see that my over the top response of “semantic nitpicking bullshit….hissy fit” and reference to Risso and Paulie as an O’Neill bashing double act was entirely without foundation or justification.

[adrenachrome]

Hi-yo, Silver, away!

[VillaZogmariner]

Sorry to take this off topic, but...

Good luck to Marlon wherever he ends up. He will never be classed as the greatest player to pull on a Villa shirt, but his heart was in it. More than can be said about some players.

[Lucky Eddie]

That kid ran his socks off for Aston Villa whenever he got the chance to pull the shirt on - he deserves your respect for that. If Baros had Marlons application . . . . . . . . . .. . . .

[Chris Jameson]

That kid ran his socks off for Aston Villa whenever he got the chance to pull the shirt on - he deserves your respect for that. If Baros had Marlons application . . . . . . . . . .. . . .

Even if he is only 8 years old it doesn't alter the fact he is bloody rubbish.

[LeeB]

That kid ran his socks off for Aston Villa whenever he got the chance to pull the shirt on - he deserves your respect for that. If Baros had Marlons application . . . . . . . . . .. . . .

If Carew had Marlon's heart he'd be the best centre-forward in the world.