Marlon in the Champions League

[tommy_boy]

Harewood is just one in the long list of our Martins transfer fuck ups in fact you can put a team together from them
Carson
Beye
Knight
Davies
Shorey
Sidwell
Downing
Routledge
Salifou
Harewood
Heskey
 now that is a relegation team, even worse than DOL put out-

Davies was a success, but lost his place when he got injured.
You call £9mil for him a success
Downing hasnt had yet a full season with Villa, he missed preseason.
This arguement is a bit tired, he played 30 games, he did nothing at boro the previous 2 seasons £12mil, marvelous

Heskey is going to S Africa, we bought him for 3.5m, how bad a signing can he be? And many clubs are interested in him.
Says who, 3 goals

Knight had some decent performances and was sold for almost 5m.


Salifou, Routledge and Carson didnt cost us anything.
They did £2mil on Carson

And we will probably get our money back for Shorey.
Probably what about his wages?

That leaves us with Beye, Sidwell and Harewood. Now that's not a long list..

yes keep trying to justify his transfers, MON can do no wrong zzzzz

i am not trying to say that MON is always right. I just disagree with you that Knight, Davies, Downing, Heskey, Salifou were "fuck ups".

Yes Davies cost 9m, but he was a success. He lost his place due to injury, and we will get 7m from him back. He has a bright future, unfortunately we cannot have 4 centre back, so we have to sell him to get a striker or a right back.

Downing lost the whole preseason. He came in a new team. Its early to judge him. Stats for 2007–08, 38 appearances, 9 goals. Not bad.

Heskey is in the England squad--If you are an expert, how do you explain that..Scoring is not his main role. How is that a "fuck up", for only 3,5m.

Stan Collymore from Liverpool for 7m(1997) is a "fuck up". Salifou is not.
Did you get my point?
Rafa Benitez, yes, he made some very bad transfers.

[Percy McCarthy]

You're wasting your time tommy boy, hawkeye is convinced that Martin O'Neill is in fact the anti-Christ.

[JUAN PABLO]

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Heskey is going to S Africa, we bought him for 3.5m, how bad a signing can he be? And many clubs are interested in him.

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fooking really bad....


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[JUAN PABLO]

Harewood is just one in the long list of our Martins transfer fuck ups in fact you can put a team together from them
Carson
Beye
Knight
Davies
Shorey
Sidwell
Downing
Routledge
Salifou
Harewood
Heskey
 now that is a relegation team, even worse than DOL put out-

Davies was a success, but lost his place when he got injured.
You call £9mil for him a success
Downing hasnt had yet a full season with Villa, he missed preseason.
This arguement is a bit tired, he played 30 games, he did nothing at boro the previous 2 seasons £12mil, marvelous

Heskey is going to S Africa, we bought him for 3.5m, how bad a signing can he be? And many clubs are interested in him.
Says who, 3 goals

Knight had some decent performances and was sold for almost 5m.


Salifou, Routledge and Carson didnt cost us anything.
They did £2mil on Carson

And we will probably get our money back for Shorey.
Probably what about his wages?

That leaves us with Beye, Sidwell and Harewood. Now that's not a long list..

yes keep trying to justify his transfers, MON can do no wrong zzzzz

i am not trying to say that MON is always right. I just disagree with you that Knight, Davies, Downing, Heskey, Salifou were "fuck ups".

Yes Davies cost 9m, but he was a success. He lost his place due to injury, and we will get 7m from him back. He has a bright future, unfortunately we cannot have 4 centre back, so we have to sell him to get a striker or a right back.

Downing lost the whole preseason. He came in a new team. Its early to judge him. Stats for 2007–08, 38 appearances, 9 goals. Not bad.

Heskey is in the England squad--If you are an expert, how do you explain that..Scoring is not his main role. How is that a "fuck up", for only 3,5m.

Stan Collymore from Liverpool for 7m(1997) is a "fuck up". Salifou is not.
Did you get my point?
Rafa Benitez, yes, he made some very bad transfers.

you just keep convincing yourself

[Chris Smith]

Because the thread started out as information that the player maybe joining another team. It has within a couple of pages turned into people using it as an opportunity to criticise the manager.

I've posted a number of times quite recently that I don't know anymore if MON is the man to take us forward. But I certainly am not going to criticise everything he does like some people take the opportunity to do. With every manager, there are things that work out, and things that don't.

No.

It started out as a fair few wishing Marlon well despite being crap for us and turned into an opportunity for the usual suspects to defend the manager.

Defenders of the Faith: "Harewood wasn't that bad a signing really."

Started one game in three years, scored five goals.

Defenders of the Faith:"Well, we couldn't really be expected to sign better in 2007 after where we finished the previous year."

We've signed far better players than that after far more difficult seasons and with far less resources in years gone by.

Defenders of the Faith: "I...er, well... Oh this is just a witchhunt, that what it is! Any excuse to have a go at MON."

And so on.

Thts isn't what happened though but why let the facts get in the way.

Within a few posts we had people saying stuff like "cracking business. Well done Martin " and "not his fault , just the managers". My reply was "If only we had one of those other managers who have a 100% success rate with every signing they make."

Almost every single thread these days follows the same predictable route.

[Risso]

Almost every single thread these days follows the same predictable route.

Why don't you give it a rest then?  The signing of Harewood has been a complete and utter disaster, and no amount of your moaning about other posters is going to change that.

[Chris Smith]

Almost every single thread these days follows the same predictable route.

Why don't you give it a rest then?  The signing of Harewood has been a complete and utter disaster, and no amount of your moaning about other posters is going to change that.

I didn't like the tone of Kevin;s post about 'defenders of the faith' so wanted to point out to him that he'd got it wrong.

[Risso]

I didn't like the tone of Kevin;s post about 'defenders of the faith' so wanted to point out to him that he'd got it wrong.

Given the tone of your post that said:

This self-flagellation over a signing that didn't turn out brilliantly really bemuses me.

Those with a track record of wanting to turn every thread into an anti MON just see it as another opportunity.

I'd say it's just another case of you not realising that you're just as bad.

[tommy_boy]

i totally agree that harewood, sidwell were bad signings.
but i 100% disagree that knight, davies, heskey, downing and many others were aboslute disasters. get serious

[Risso]

i totally agree that harewood, sidwell were bad signings.
but i 100% disagree that knight, davies, heskey, downing and many others were aboslute disasters. get serious

At least having signed a dud in Harewood, O'Neill realised his mistake and didn't play him.  With Heskey, he signed a dud AND continued to let him infest the first team.

[KevinGage]

Almost every single thread these days follows the same predictable route.

Why don't you give it a rest then?  The signing of Harewood has been a complete and utter disaster, and no amount of your moaning about other posters is going to change that.

I didn't like the tone of Kevin;s post about 'defenders of the faith' so wanted to point out to him that he'd got it wrong.

Had I got it wrong you'd be perfectly entitled to point it out.

But I didn't, so (as usual) your argument has no merit whatsoever.

It's admirable that you persist in defending even the most blatant of MON's fcuk ups, to the point that these type of threads soon resemble the internet equivalent of the Battle of Rorke's Drift. But you haven't actually got to the stage where you've started to believe what you write, have you?

I credit you with more intelligence than that. Taking an otherwise neutral, moderate thread and throwing in a few incendiary remarks just for sport,  now that I can believe.

[Villa'Zawg]

i totally agree that harewood, sidwell were bad signings.
but i 100% disagree that knight, davies, heskey, downing and many others were aboslute disasters. get serious

At least having signed a dud in Harewood, O'Neill realised his mistake and didn't play him.  With Heskey, he signed a dud AND continued to let him infest the first team.

Harewood wasn't anything like the cataclysmic failure that you portray him as. He was brought in as a £4m back up striker behind Agbonlahor and Carew and he did an OK job when called upon as sub in his first season. He wasn't able to force his way into the team ahead of two of the top 10 strikers in the country, there's no shame in that. Not a good signing but these things happen to all managers and often they're an awful lot more expensive than Harewood.

I know our midfield still doesn't scored enough goals but they did score about twice as many whilst Heskey was on the pitch compared to when Carew was on the pitch. That's what all the professionals say about him isn't it, he brings others into the game. It would seem that "people in the game" recognise and value that trait more than you do.

[Risso]

i totally agree that harewood, sidwell were bad signings.
but i 100% disagree that knight, davies, heskey, downing and many others were aboslute disasters. get serious

At least having signed a dud in Harewood, O'Neill realised his mistake and didn't play him.  With Heskey, he signed a dud AND continued to let him infest the first team.

Harewood wasn't anything like the cataclysmic failure that you portray him as. He was brought in as a £4m back up striker behind Agbonlahor and Carew and he did an OK job when called upon as sub in his first season. He wasn't able to force his way into the team ahead of two of the top 10 strikers in the country, there's no shame in that. Not a good signing but these things happen to all managers and often they're an awful lot more expensive than Harewood.

I know our midfield still doesn't scored enough goals but they did score about twice as many whilst Heskey was on the pitch compared to when Carew was on the pitch. That's what all the professionals say about him isn't it, he brings others into the game. It would seem that "people in the game" recognise and value that trait more than you do.

I hope we can fend off the inevitable bids for Heskey from messrs Ferguson, Wenger, Redknapp et al this summer then.  A striker so prized by "people in the game" surely should be playing Champions League football.

[Chris Smith]

Almost every single thread these days follows the same predictable route.

Why don't you give it a rest then?  The signing of Harewood has been a complete and utter disaster, and no amount of your moaning about other posters is going to change that.

I didn't like the tone of Kevin;s post about 'defenders of the faith' so wanted to point out to him that he'd got it wrong.

Had I got it wrong you'd be perfectly entitled to point it out.

But I didn't, so (as usual) your argument has no merit whatsoever.

It's admirable that you persist in defending even the most blatant of MON's fcuk ups, to the point that these type of threads soon resemble the internet equivalent of the Battle of Rorke's Drift. But you haven't actually got to the stage where you've started to believe what you write, have you?

I credit you with more intelligence than that. Taking an otherwise neutral, moderate thread and throwing in a few incendiary remarks just for sport,  now that I can believe.

You did get it wrong, but then you almost always do and invariably use twice as many words as you need to. I've even shown you the remarks that turned this into yet another put the boot into MON thread.

There isn't anyone trying to claim it was a great signing, what is being said is that he was bought as a backup to Carew and did an adequate job for a short period until we outgrew him. I'd much rather us have signed a better player but he's not up there with the Jeffers and Balaban level of fuck ups however much you try to pretend it is.

[pauliewalnuts]

Harewood not a cataclysmic failure?

3 years, started 1 league game.
5 league goals.

4m transfer fee plus, say, 30k a week for three years which works out at 4.8 million pounds

So, that's just under nine million pounds total, or just under 1.8 million pounds per league goal.

It is beyond belief that anyone can say - with a straight face - that Harewood was anything like a decent signing.

Maybe if Randy is thinking of reining in the spending, it will be precisely that kind of casual approach to spending that makes me think he's got a point.

And, yes, I do realise all managers make bad signings. There are two diferences here, though.

Firstly, I don't really care about other managers, I care about the Aston Villa manager.

Secondly, a blind man on a galloping horse could have spotted Harewood's main fault (the fact that he's shit) when we snatched him away from Wigan Athletic three years ago, so god knows why MON didn't.