The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296

[KevinGage]

I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.

He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players.  If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.

I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.

That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.

Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?

According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.

But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.

For clarity:

Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.

He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.

"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.

"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.

[old man villa fan]

...No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week".

When did the FA bring in this new ruling that Man City are playing Champions League? I must have missed it with all the World Cup Hubub.

Since that Sinatra fella came into Man City, everyone has been saying that they're a certaintly for CL football and yet, through various managers and untold fortunes, they've not cracked it.

I know, I know, they'll do it next year.

Yeah, right-oh.

That is not what I said, read the rest of what I wrote.

The part you quoted is what I said other may be saying to him, without his best interests at heart.

Please do not pick out parts and make believe I was saying something else.

you have got nearly 300 posts mate,

you should  therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters

just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say

The funny thing is that I do not disagree with what Troy is saying.

The extra money does help though but you still have to use it wisely and have patience.  How many times have Real Madrid tried the 'Galacticos' route and succeeded, once?

[Chris Smith]

I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.

He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players.  If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.

I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.

That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.

Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?

According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.

But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.

For clarity:

Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.

He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.

"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.

"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.

But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?

[KevinGage]

 

you should  therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters

just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say

Aye.

And if you back up your point of view with direct quotes you're somehow 'misinterpreting' them.

[KevinGage]

But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?

Well genius, I'll take a stab at it and say that the wages and signing on fee he thought he could get elsewhere might just possibly offset any loss in that regard.

But I'm sure you'll trawl through obscure quotes from his postman or his first girlfriend to illustrate that Jimmy doesn't play that way.

[Chris Smith]

 

you should  therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters

just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say

Aye.

And if you back up your point of view with direct quotes you're somehow 'misinterpreting' them.

No, just interpreting them in your own way the same as everyone else. However it seems impossible for you to accept that not everyone will agree with you.

As I said yesterday I read "the valuation of me" as referring to the price they wanted for him. That seems a pretty reasonable way of looking at it, most people when they talk of the valuation of a footballer would think of the transfer fee. So Milner thought that the price Newcastle were asking for him wasn't consistent with the money they were paying him.

[Concrete John]

I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.

He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players.  If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.

I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.

That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.

Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?

According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.

But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.

For clarity:

Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.

He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.

"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.

"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.

The percentage is just my own view and I'll admit it may be nearer to 50/50.  

He's on record commenting about the numerous managerial changes at Newcastle and I doubt the way they messed him about when he almost signed for us previously would have impressed him too much.  Would he have stayed at Newcastle if the paid him more?  Who knows, but I personally think he was fed up with being messed around and undervalued - and by that I mean their treatment of him aswell as his wages.

[Chris Smith]

But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?

Well genius, I'll take a stab at it and say that the wages and signing on fee he thought he could get elsewhere might just possibly offset any loss in that regard.

But I'm sure you'll trawl through obscure quotes from his postman or his first girlfriend to illustrate that Jimmy doesn't play that way.

Which charm school did you graduate from?

OK, you win. Every single footballer is a mercenary, money grabbing bastard who doesn't care about anything else. Happy now?

[LeeB]

I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.

I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.

Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City.  He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.

i agree the reason we will are under pressure to lose our star players is because we are a top 6 not top 4 team, we seem to be happy to accept our place in the second tier of the PL and we have a manager than can virtually garauntee that

And so what about Man Utd being pretty much forced to sell Ronaldo?

[KevinGage]

As I said yesterday I read "the valuation of me" as referring to the price they wanted for him. That seems a pretty reasonable way of looking at it, most people when they talk of the valuation of a footballer would think of the transfer fee. So Milner thought that the price Newcastle were asking for him wasn't consistent with the money they were paying him.

See, I don't see how it's a grey area.

I said yesterday that Jimmy left for monetary reasons previously and in that regard (plus his deadpan delivery) he's no different from most footballers.

"Your're wrong! Prove it/ I've never seen any quotes from him suggesting that," et.c.

So I give you direct quotes from the horses mouth.

You can choose to believe what you want to believe, despite logic, common sense and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's your call, and I said as much yesterday when I suggested we agree to disagree.

You persisted though, probably as much out of vanity and ego than anything else. You must have known you were on pretty shaky ground when you start quoting his old maths teacher and Craig Bellamy's charity work(!) as conclusive proof that Jimmy is different from most of his peers.

Part of me wants you to quit whilst your behind. But a bigger part of me wants you to up the ante, to see what further gems are in store. Another stroll down memory lane with the guy who Jimmy bought his first car of perhaps? Or Ashley Cole's tireless charity work on behalf of the Headhunting tribes of the Amazon Basin.

I hope it's a real hoot, whatever it is.

[kipeye]

I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.

[Risso]

You don't have to be a money grabbing mercenary to be motivated by an extra £2.5m a year.  I'd say that's perfectly understandable behaviour.

[Mazrim]

I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.

Its a toss up with the transfer thread.

[PaulWinch again]

I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.

Its a toss up with the transfer thread.

The transfer thread is woeful at the moment, it's just descended into bickering with no apparent substance.

[KevinGage]

I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.

There's a pretty obvious answer to that.