Summer 2010 Transfer Thread: B*llsh*t, Rumours & Wishes

[LeeB]

If keane is ready fir the knackers yard at his age in your opinion what does it say about Carew,heskey,petrov,dunne, luke,and friedal?

Keane is younger than several of our 1st team regulars.

Get him in mon and let the knockers come on here in a years time ala Richard dunne!

I says that strikers need that half yard of pace to get shots out, spin their man and get accross the defenders in the six yard box. When they lose it they get found out at the highest level, and we're trying to get there. Carew and Heskey can both leave for those reasons and more as far as I'm concerned, and the others play in different roles and therefore can adjust their skills with to counter the march of time.

I'm not saying it's 100% foolproof, but it applies in Keane's cae

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Does the fact that he's younger than Drogba and Anelka not undermine that argument somewhat?

In a way, yes, which is why I said it's not foolproof.

Those two are world class, and have been for some time.

Robbie Keane is not, and never has been.

[LeeB]

I says that strikers need that half yard of pace to get shots out, spin their man and get accross the defenders in the six yard box. When they lose it they get found out at the highest level, and we're trying to get there. Carew and Heskey can both leave for those reasons and more as far as I'm concerned, and the others play in different roles and therefore can adjust their skills with to counter the march of time.

I'm not saying it's 100% foolproof, but it applies in Keane's cae

I think it depends on the striker involved, what their strenghts are and how they score their goals.  Strikers like Defoe do rely on that half a yard and so pace is important in small bursts to them - they're one or two touch finishers and do their best work in the box.  Keane is more likely to have the ball at his feet and try to make something happen from deeper and isn't a 'poacher' type, so it's less important, IMO.

I'd disagree a little John, I think Keane at his best was a poacher. How many goals do you remember from mazy runs or blockbuster finishes?

I think he's lost his edge, he may get it back but I think the odds are against it.

[Greg N'Ash]

i'd rather have a striker who we can say "he's one of our main men for the next 5 years like i'd hope we can say about milner, gabby, young etc... you can't have a team of youngsters and need a blend but i want a striker who's in his prime or about to enter it so we're not rebuilding in 2/3 years. if the manager can't get someone like that after 5 years then something's wrong.

I'd rather bring in the striking equivalent of Milner or Ash aswell, but sometimes that's not always possible.  Plus we need to be thinking of someone who can play with Gabby, so right now a more experienced head might be a better bet.  

I'm not trying to make him out to be the best signing we could make, just that he'd be a useful asset and help improve us.  Sorta the striking quivalent of Richard Dunne.

yeh i totally see your point john. i don't know, maybe i want too much but look round the premiership and the top scorers, rooney, torres, drogba, bent, defoe - all bought in thier mid-20s for the purpose of spearheading thier teams forward line for the next 5 or more years. thats what i want this summer even if it means not replacing the likes of NRC, davies etc.. the only area i'd say spurs were better than us was up front where they have goals in abundance and that makes all the difference

[Concrete John]

I says that strikers need that half yard of pace to get shots out, spin their man and get accross the defenders in the six yard box. When they lose it they get found out at the highest level, and we're trying to get there. Carew and Heskey can both leave for those reasons and more as far as I'm concerned, and the others play in different roles and therefore can adjust their skills with to counter the march of time.

I'm not saying it's 100% foolproof, but it applies in Keane's cae

I think it depends on the striker involved, what their strenghts are and how they score their goals.  Strikers like Defoe do rely on that half a yard and so pace is important in small bursts to them - they're one or two touch finishers and do their best work in the box.  Keane is more likely to have the ball at his feet and try to make something happen from deeper and isn't a 'poacher' type, so it's less important, IMO.

I'd disagree a little John, I think Keane at his best was a poacher. How many goals do you remember from mazy runs or blockbuster finishes?

I think he's lost his edge, he may get it back but I think the odds are against it.

Maybe not mazy runs, but he is the sort that usually has a few touches before shooting.  I think labelling him a poacher is wrong, although he does score that 'type' of goal aswell.  If I was to equate him to another striker, I'd say he's in the mould of a Peter Beardsley, but gets into the ox more.

[Concrete John]

yeh i totally see you your point john. i don't know, maybe i want too much but look round the premiership and the top scorers, rooney, torres, drogba, bent, defoe - all bought in thier mid-20s for the purpose of spearheading thier teams forward line for the next 5 or more years. thats what i want this summer even if it means not replacing the likes of NRC, davies etc.. the only area i'd say spurs were better than us was up front where they have goals in abundance and that makes all the difference

I could be wrong, but wasn't Drogba a bit older than that when Chelsea signed him?

Each of those players (with the exception of Bent, buts let not get into that one again!), were £20m+ signings and very much sought after by all the leading clubs.  Even if we had the money to spend, could we attract a player like that in our present position?

Maybe we should go after someone like Rodaellga in the hope they develop into that category of striker?

[Greg N'Ash]

yeh i totally see you your point john. i don't know, maybe i want too much but look round the premiership and the top scorers, rooney, torres, drogba, bent, defoe - all bought in thier mid-20s for the purpose of spearheading thier teams forward line for the next 5 or more years. thats what i want this summer even if it means not replacing the likes of NRC, davies etc.. the only area i'd say spurs were better than us was up front where they have goals in abundance and that makes all the difference

I could be wrong, but wasn't Drogba a bit older than that when Chelsea signed him?

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Each of those players (with the exception of Bent, buts let not get into that one again!), were £20m+ signings and very much sought after by all the leading clubs.  Even if we had the money to spend, could we attract a player like that in our present position?

Maybe we should go after someone like Rodaellga in the hope they develop into that category of striker?

well as you say, bent and defoe were in our price range but still. abroad? oh...

[Des Little]

Don't get me started on Bent.  I will never understand why we didn't go for him.

[Concrete John]

Defoe just follows his uncle 'arry around, so that was never on the cards.

Bent?  There may be reasons we didn't go for him that have been debated very often on here, but it does look like the wrong decision regardless.  

As it goes, neither is in the same bracket as Drogba, Torres, Rooney, etc.

[Phil from the upper holte]

We should change this thread to the Robbie Keane thread, Its all people talk about

[Clampy]

I understand the arguments for and against Keane. My own view is that he might bring us something different to what we already have and providing the price was right, i'd take him.

Sorry Phil.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I understand the arguments for and against Keane. My own view is that he might bring us something different to what we already have.

Indeed.
Rheumatoid arthritis .

[Concrete John]

We should change this thread to the Robbie Keane thread, Its all people talk about

Probably because it's the only serious and plausible transfer link so far this summer!

[Phil from the upper holte]

We should change this thread to the Robbie Keane thread, Its all people talk about

Probably because it's the only serious and plausible transfer link so far this summer!

Possibly, Its just that I pop on everyday and I have to go through pages and pages all about keane and its every day without fail. Just boring is all

[old man villa fan]

Ireland, keane , Doyle. And clyne plus another midfielder would be a good summers business, it would mean
losing milner and some of our bench players but would be for the teams benefit overall.

Similar to selling platty when big ron spent the cash wisely and built a better team!

It would depend on who that other midfielder was as Ireland for Milner would weaken us a fair bit in an area where we desperately need to improve if we are to push on above 6th position.

[Chris Smith]

We should change this thread to the Robbie Keane thread, Its all people talk about

Probably because it's the only serious and plausible transfer link so far this summer!

Possibly, Its just that I pop on everyday and I have to go through pages and pages all about keane and its every day without fail. Just boring is all

You're right but the title gives it away. If anything actually happens it will have a thread of its own so you can probably safely ignore this one.