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Offline pdiddybaby

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« Reply #390 on: February 13, 2010, 10:13:37 PM »
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then it woukd not be a wage cap-duh


say you set base level, what would it be at ? £40m ?

say you set a % figure ?

wage cap in football can not work because the difference between rich and poor is far greater than any other sport

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« Reply #391 on: February 13, 2010, 10:19:26 PM »
Good interview with Sven in the Guardian

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Sven-Goran Eriksson revealed for the first time the full story behind his chaotic seven months at Notts County and the bizarre sequence of events that began with hopes of a multi-million-pound revival for the Football League's oldest club only to end with it on the brink of financial collapse.

Twenty-four hours after cutting his ties with the League Two club that has been his employer for the past seven months Eriksson opened his heart to the Guardian. In a candid interview the former England manager has laid bare:

• How he was promised the players and facilities to guarantee Premier League football

• How he entered negotiations to help run North Korea's national team

• The circumstances behind the England defender Sol Campbell's abrupt departure from Meadow Lane

• When he had his first doubts about Munto Finance, the club's offshore- registered parent company

• His anger at the vanishing act that left the club with vast debts and the threat of winding up

The strangest experience of Eriksson's football career began last June when he received the first contact from Russell King and Nathan Willett, two former Jersey-based financiers who claimed to be representing a wealthy consortium of investors from the Middle East and Europe, via a third party. They met at the Dorchester Hotel, where King was a regular resident, and gave a "very clever, very convincing" pitch to Eriksson about moving to Notts County.

"I met these two guys and they were very enthusiastic about what they said," Eriksson said. "They had already bought the club and they wanted to take it to the Premier League. There were a lot of promises about players, about the training ground, the academy; they said they would fix the stadium, that they would buy feeder clubs."

After initial reservations about joining a struggling club in English football's fourth tier Eriksson was persuaded by the prospect of taking the world's oldest league club to the top of the football pyramid and promptly signed up. "I liked the idea of the project, the challenge to do it. It was like a dream to me. And if all their promises had been true, we would have done it."

Soon King's and Willett's promises were backed up by the arrivals of Kasper Schmeichel and Sol Campbell, fresh from contracts with the Premier League clubs Manchester City and Portsmouth, deals that were also negotiated by King and Willett.

"I had no doubts about it in the beginning," he explained. Eriksson's faith in his employers was not shaken even when Campbell quit the club after a single game. Nevertheless, the circumstances of Campbell's departure were consistent with the surreal nature of events at Meadow Lane.

"He played that game away [at Morecambe] and asked the manager if he could go to stay for two days in Newcastle," said Eriksson. "He got permission and left on Saturday evening. Then he called [the chairman] Peter Trembling. Peter called me the next morning and said Sol wants to leave. I called Sol and said could we meet when he came back. We had an agreement to meet after training on Tuesday.

"He started training and in the middle of training he went. I don't know if he told the manager he had some small problems. I thought that after training we would have a meeting but when I came back he was gone. He knew the conditions at the club, I'd shown him the ground and the training ground. Of course there were promises from Willett and King that we would fix it, that they would make the stadium and dressing rooms better and everything. But nothing happened and Sol was concerned about that. We have never spoken since but I guess he felt cheated by them too."

Eriksson says he was still being sold the grand vision of the club, not least by Nathan Willett's father, Peter, who had joined the Notts County board. Eriksson said he believed Peter Willett was the actual owner. "He came a couple of times and said he would fix the stadium and would make the training ground better and then he suddenly disappeared. He never came back."

But still Eriksson was living a life more suited to the director of football of a Champions League club than one in the lowest division of the Football League. Indeed, some elements of the project were truly unique.

"I went on 19 October to North Korea, together with Russell King and Nathan Willett," he said. "When I went home from there I started to have doubts because of what I saw in that country and what happened after that."

They were accompanied by a member of the Hyat family, which the club had stated has "extensive business interests" across the Middle East and Asia; Eriksson says this man was projected as the "big guy" behind the investment in County. However the Guardian later tracked down Anwar Shafi, the acknowledged head of the Hyat family, who disavowed his ­relative's claims.

"They cheated," Eriksson said. "I was invited there to talk football and I met the president of the Football Association there, coaches of the national team, I saw games and the training and I had a lot of meetings.

"They wanted help with a lot of things. They wanted footballs and boots and coaches and for us to take care of teams in North Korea. They wanted the team to come to Europe and they wanted help with the scouting and help with friendly games, analysing opponents, etc.

"Of course this would have cost money and they [King, Peter Willett and their associates] said everything was OK. When we came home the days went on and I contacted Nathan Willett and I said I needed a contact number for the people in Korea to start to do it. So I prepared places in Europe for them to take their teams for six months and we contacted sponsors to help out about everything.

"But I never could contact anyone in Korea and nothing happened. And I felt sorry for them because I'd promised on behalf of these guys and I never could contact them so I wondered what was going on."

While the party was in Pyongyang, Willett and King and their colleagues went to meet officials at the ceremonial Mansudae Assembly hall. "I was there for football and they went to visit people at the palace," he said. "I saw them handing out share certificates in Swiss Commodity Holding [the company whose corporate logo was incorporated into Notts County's club crest] to people. These were not for millions but billions. I tried to joke: why don't you put some of that into Notts County? And they said, 'Take it easy, Sven, you'll have your players and you'll go to the Premier League.'"

But when it emerged that the club was running up huge debts as bills went unpaid, with the taxman even issuing a winding-up order in November, Eriksson's perspective began to change. "Then the club had problems with money, bills not being paid. So, of course, I started to be doubtful and they never paid me what they promised," said Eriksson. "In my initial contract I was promised 10% of the club but I never received anything."

Eriksson has been hit in the pocket by this experience. Though he refused to go into details of his financial arrangements club sources say that inagreeing to leave Meadow Lane after the takeover by a ­consortium led by the former Lincoln City chairman, Ray Trew, on Thursday, he has waived a £2.4m pay-off, accepting instead two months' wage arrears. Trew, now County's chairman, has described the Swede as an "absolute gentleman".

"I signed the agreement to leave because there was never a question I should stay here," said Eriksson. "I told the players and staff today and the people in the office: that's it."

Eriksson accepts that his decision to place his faith in King and the Willetts might have damaged his reputation. "I don't know if it's affected me like that," he said. "All I can say is I've gone in with open eyes and I liked it and it went wrong. Maybe I should have had suspicions but I didn't have that in the beginning."

At the height of the roller coaster Eriksson did not want to hear others' suspicions about Munto. When I confronted him on the issue at the Leaders in Football conference early last October, Eriksson appeared irritated, referring me to Trembling without hearing me out. But County's crash has been so alarming, the gap between what Willett and King said and reality so wide, that now Eriksson feels compelled to break football's omerta and tell one of the most extraordinary stories that has befallen the game in decades.

"Sometimes things go wrong in football," said Eriksson. "You can lose games, own-goals, you can buy the wrong players. But you do it in the right spirit and you do it honestly. That is not how it went wrong at Notts County. If you are not trying to cheat people, it is very easy to come out and say that it went wrong. People will not like it but they will understand. But when they disappear like that: it's morally very, very bad. This is why I am talking about it.

"I did feel personal responsibility. I know some of the players wouldn't be there if I was not, of course I feel that. I feel very sorry for the players and the fans. I tried as hard as I could to find people who could help us, I've been to Norway, to Sweden, to Spain, to London many, many times to find investment.

"But what's disappointing about these people is that they just disappeared without saying anything. Without any message to the players, to the fans, to the staff. Just gone."

Now Eriksson will look to rebuild his career, putting the experience of the past eight months behind him. A man with league titles in Sweden, Portugal and Italy and two World Cup quarter-finals on his resumé will not want for work and he has been inundated with calls from agents, although he has received no formal offers.

So when all is said and done and he looks back on the past eight months, what has he learnt from the experience? "Maybe I trust people too much."


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« Reply #392 on: February 13, 2010, 10:28:59 PM »
and surely that tells you all you need to know when clubs are allowed to be owned by secretive off shore companies.

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« Reply #393 on: February 13, 2010, 11:59:52 PM »
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Quote from: "hawkeye"


then it woukd not be a wage cap-duh


say you set base level, what would it be at ? £40m ?

say you set a % figure ?

wage cap in football can not work because the difference between rich and poor is far greater than any other sport
of course it would work limit the squads to say 20 first team playersand say in 5 years your salary cap is whatever.

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« Reply #394 on: February 16, 2010, 10:43:05 PM »
Shouldn't we have had three new different owners at Portsmouth by now. I'm disappointed.

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« Reply #395 on: February 17, 2010, 11:23:55 AM »
Portsmouth are to reveal the state of their finances by 4 o'clock or something today.

Anyone care to make a guess at what they think they'll be?

Is £100m too small?

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« Reply #396 on: February 17, 2010, 12:10:00 PM »
I think the dollar figure involved is only a small part of that story. Who owns them, who has owned them, who controls them, who they owe money to, where did the money go.....I do wonder if 'appy 'arry is getting a little more twitchy than normal.

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« Reply #397 on: February 17, 2010, 12:13:58 PM »
I heard that there is a program on 5Live some time this week specifically about the ridiculous situation some clubs are in at the moment. Annoyingly I can't remember who will be hosting it or when exactly it's on (i think its this weekend), but I remember hearing that Robert Peston was to be one of the guests and I thought it might be interesting. Does anyone know?

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« Reply #398 on: February 17, 2010, 12:15:53 PM »
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Portsmouth are to reveal the state of their finances by 4 o'clock or something today.

Anyone care to make a guess at what they think they'll be?



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« Reply #399 on: February 17, 2010, 12:16:01 PM »
From Soccernet:

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DUBAI COURT CHASE AL-FAHIM
Arrest warrant issued for Pompey chairman

By Soccernet staff

February 17, 2010

Dubai authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Portsmouth chairman Sulaiman al-Fahim over an alleged unpaid debt of £1.3 million.



Sulaiman Al-Fahim: One of three thousand Ex-Portsmouth owners

The former Pompey owner, who remains a 10% shareholder at the cash-strapped Premier League club, is wanted in court to settle a dispute with a fellow property developer and will be arrested if he returns to the United Arab Emirates.

An investor from Azerbaijan has demanded to be repaid after a development by Al-Fahim's Al Buraq Development and Investment company failed to go ahead.

According to Abu Dhabi newspaper The National, court documents show Al-Fahim has cleared his assets in the UAE and transferred all his local funds to undisclosed overseas locations.

Al-Fahim told The National: "I am not running away from this, I am in Moscow and am actually here as part of an official UAE delegation promoting the chess industry. My lawyers are currently handling the matter and I am positive it will be resolved very soon.

"First let's be clear this is actually a civil case and not a criminal case, and one that has been running for some time."

Al-Fahim bought Pompey from Sacha Gaydamak in August last year but sold the club just 42 days later after failing to raise the necessary investment to meet debt repayments and pay player wages.

Ali Al-Faraj then bought the ailing club form Al-Fahim and has since handed control Balram Chainrai after failing to meet the terms of a loan agreement with the Hong Kong investor.


At the foot of that page is the following ad:

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Brilliant!

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« Reply #400 on: February 17, 2010, 01:40:44 PM »
Just got this in the TIMES ONLINE email thingy that goes some way to summing up Palace's plight.......

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Keyan Milanian asks: I have been arguing with a Crystal Palace-supporting friend of mine that Simon Jordan, along with other members of the board, are to blame for the Eagles' current dilemma. He, like other Palace fans I've spoken to, defends him to the hilt. Who is to blame for their plight?

Gary Jacob responds: "As ever in these circumstances, the issues are muddy and all sides blame each other. What is clear, however, is that the club's income shrunk by a third from the financial year June 2007 to June 2008, mainly because their two years of parachute payments ended. Perhaps there was also less sponsorship and ticket income.

"But in the same period, their expenditure hardly dropped, especially on player wages. This is almost certainly because of contracts running on from the Premier League days, and maybe the club chasing promotion by signing players on relatively high wages. I understand the wage bill is closer to £7 million now.

"On top of this, Jordan was forced to take out a new rental agreement for Palace to stay at Selhurst Park, which at £1.2 million per year, was three times what he had been paying.

"Unbelievably, Palace also agreed to pay £2 million simply for this privilege - and they still need to pay £1 million of it in April. What appears to have happened is that Jordan had agreed to buy the ground from Paul Kemsley, who had bought it from Ron Noades with the intention of selling it on to the Palace owner. Kemsley was left unhappy when Jordan could not buy it.

"Their recent plight has come about after Palace got into bed with Agilo, who specialise in lending to distressed companies. Agilo wants £4.5 million in loans repaid. They are a secured creditor, so are near the top of the list when it comes to being paid.

"Agilo were being paid interest but they clearly believed that there was trouble looming as they exercised a clause in their contract to put the club into administration. They probably were unhappy that HM Revenue & Customs had issued a winding-up order for the debt owed to them of £1.3 million.

"Palace have debts of about £30 million, about £20 million of which is owed to Jordan. He is an unsecured creditor, meaning that he is lower in the pecking order.

"Jordan's concern that he could receive a fraction of that amount means that he could choose not to endorse a potential takeover if other creditors are paid higher proportions. That could lead to a further points penalty for the club not exiting administration in accordance with Football League demands."

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« Reply #401 on: February 17, 2010, 01:47:51 PM »
I think Palace should let players go to ease their financial worries.

Before they play us in the replay.

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« Reply #402 on: February 18, 2010, 02:09:56 PM »
From da Beeb

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Cash-strapped Portsmouth are understood to have asked the Premier League for permission to sell players outside the transfer window.

However, BBC sports news correspondent Gordon Farquhar said he believes the transfer window is a Fifa regulation.

"I don't think it's in the gift of the Premier League to allow Portsmouth to sell players outside of it," he added.

When approached by BBC Sport, Portsmouth, who are believed to owe about £60m, refused to comment.


I hate to see it happen, but Pompy are now looking like a lame, blind, deaf donkey with cancer.  Time for a mercy killing.

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« Reply #403 on: February 18, 2010, 02:11:24 PM »
Keep up - Tony Adams was sacked years ago

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« Reply #404 on: February 18, 2010, 03:50:11 PM »
Now a full article on BBC website on Pompey's plight. Sounds worse than anyone feared.

 


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