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Author Topic: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)  (Read 335206 times)

Offline Comrade Blitz

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1065 on: February 09, 2011, 08:44:51 AM »
Why do so many baseball players take drugs? Surely the game is about timing and natural talent more than raw speed? Obviously I can work out why competitors roid up in cycling or athletics.

For a time the game became less about timing and stringing together base hits ("let's get a rally going") and more about power. The sluggers took over the game.

In the past, one of the measures of a home-run hitters' value as a team player was to multiply his number of homeruns by 3 - if his RBI (runs batted in) total was less than the HR X 3 figure - he was considered less of a team player.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1066 on: February 09, 2011, 12:17:55 PM »
There's also the advantage that users of steroids and HGH get in terms of recovering from injuries and delaying/reducing the effects age related wear and tear.

The 1990s and early 2000s were a period when many older players were having unprecedented success. The fact that there are no longer so many successful players in their late 30s is a good indicator that many of those who enjoyed success during the "Steroid Era", wouldn't have still been in the game without chemical assistance.


It appears that as far as the media and public are concerned, use of steroids/HGH only really matters in baseball. There's nowhere near the outrage when a NFL or NBA player tests positive.

IMO this is because people view baseball as something that they could do themselves if they'd had a bit of luck or a bit more talent. The players are (apart from the odd physical freak and steroid user) the size of the man in the street. NFL and NBA players however are just so much bigger than most people that its hard to relate to them.

There's also the fact that statistics and the way they they're affected by P.E.D. use only matters in baseball. Very few people can quote NFL or NBA stats, but most sports fans Stateside would immediately know what was meant by "714", "755" and "61" without even having to explain the context.
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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1067 on: February 09, 2011, 11:29:16 PM »
Not to repeat all that has been written, but MLB loved that big hit homerun stuff, and encouraged by not discouraging the drugs.  The bigger the hits, the bigger the ratings.

But the other side is a LONG grueling schedule, with teams full of guys who used up most of their energy getting out of triple A ball.

The avg juicer isn't Big Papi and Arod, it's some journey man pitcher on his 10th season or some utility player who knows the minute that shoulder or knee causes him to miss a game, it's all over.

Anyone who has even just experimented with any Test (not hgh, that stuff just builds size) knows that the stuff will make you do ANYTHING better.  The stuff will even improve your eye hand coordination and bat speed.  you could bench press every single day and not be sore.  Stuff is amazing.

Unfortunately like all great things, it kills you as well...

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« Reply #1068 on: February 09, 2011, 11:38:34 PM »
Thanks for the replies everyone.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1069 on: February 14, 2011, 08:50:14 AM »
First workouts for Pitchers & Catchers today.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1070 on: February 14, 2011, 10:40:55 PM »
First workouts for Pitchers & Catchers today.


Have you seen any pics of CC?  He lost a TON of weight.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1071 on: February 15, 2011, 07:43:32 AM »
CC needed to drop some pounds to help hime carry the dead weight that is the rest of the Yankees starting rotation.

Forget "Spahn & Sain and pray for rain", its "Sabathia and Hughes then we get the Blues". I'm not that sure about Phil Hughes either.

Even Keith Olbermann is pessimistic about the 2011 Highlanders

http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/archives/2011/02/pitchers_and_catchers_report_n.html

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1072 on: February 17, 2011, 08:35:13 PM »
Albert and his agent have stuck to their deadline and called of talks for the season.

Apparently, the Cards' offer to Pujols was below the amount paid to A-Rod, Mauer, CC, Ryan Howard and Cliff Lee.

St Louis are taking a real risk here. Albert could quite easily end up with the Cubs if the Cards act cheap

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1073 on: February 19, 2011, 08:26:04 PM »
Albert and his agent have stuck to their deadline and called of talks for the season.

Apparently, the Cards' offer to Pujols was below the amount paid to A-Rod, Mauer, CC, Ryan Howard and Cliff Lee.

St Louis are taking a real risk here. Albert could quite easily end up with the Cubs if the Cards act cheap

The media over here keeps mentioning Pujols coming to the Cubs if nothing happens with the Cards, do you think they have linked them together because of the rivalry and to put the Cards front office under pressure or can you see him actually playing in the North Side of Chicago?

I'd be happy if he came North but can't see it happening!

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1074 on: February 20, 2011, 10:20:17 AM »
The media over here keeps mentioning Pujols coming to the Cubs if nothing happens with the Cards, do you think they have linked them together because of the rivalry and to put the Cards front office under pressure or can you see him actually playing in the North Side of Chicago?

I'd be happy if he came North but can't see it happening!

It's a process of elimination really. If you look at the clubs that might interest Albert and then consider their First Base set up...............

Highlanders - Teixeira on a long term deal
Phillies - Howard on a long term deal
Red Sox - Gonzalez on a long term deal that should be announced on or around opening day
Mets - Club and ownership in chaos due to the Wilpon's involvement with Bernie Madoff
Dodgers - Club and ownership in chaos due to the McCourt's divorce.

That leaves one club with a vacancy at First Base, money to spend and a new owner looking to make a big signing.................. the Cubs

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1075 on: February 20, 2011, 07:13:12 PM »
Albert Pujols is such a classy player, St Louis need him more than he needs them.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1076 on: February 22, 2011, 08:37:24 AM »


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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1077 on: February 22, 2011, 10:03:02 AM »
Altogether now............. "Third Base !!"

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1078 on: February 22, 2011, 12:23:04 PM »
Braves look like they could use someone at 1B.

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Re: I know none of you care but ........ (the Baseball thread)
« Reply #1079 on: February 22, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »
I thought that the Braves had high hopes for Freddie Freeman ?