Everton vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[passport1]

It was Dyche Ball and as expected more blood was spilled than in a heavyweight boxing match. We came away with a point and no serious  injuries . I consider that a result. Onwards and on this occasion not upwards.

[VillaTim]

Just need to follow up with wins v Newcastle and Sheff Utd then yesterday becomes a solid point

[eamonn]

Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?

[ASHTONVILLA]

Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?

Likely has roots in it, like many other traditions. But it has likely been carried out at my local church since the early 1300s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plough_Monday

It marks the start of the farming year the day after (Plough Monday), with the end being at the Harvest festival. It stems from a time when the chance of starvation was more upfront in people's minds and shows an appreciation for the hard work and risk involved in producing a crop.

One of the local farmers will bring a small plough and a milk churn for a ceremonial blessing, in this case, my neighbors.

[edgysatsuma89]

Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line.  Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it.  I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.

It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.

I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.

[Brazilian Villain]

Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?

It'll be the Beeb's successor to Ski Sunday when 'climate change' really kicks in.

[Smithy]

Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line.  Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it.  I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.

It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.

I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.

It's the reason the Dermot Gallagher gave on 'Ref Watch' the other night.  I assumed he would know how VAR works. I'm surprised no one picked him up on it if he was this wrong!

[edgysatsuma89]

Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line.  Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it.  I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.

It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.

I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.

It's the reason the Dermot Gallagher gave on 'Ref Watch' the other night.  I assumed he would know how VAR works. I'm surprised no one picked him up on it if he was this wrong!

Well he should know better, the baldy twat. You sometimes see the line being placed and you can't see the person playing the ball because they want a closer look at the defensive line but they're not just taking a guess at when it was played. They just don't show us all the angles they see but they're all synced, you stop one you stop them all, we're just shown the defensive line camera that is stopped.

[Somniloquism]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

[Risso]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!

[ChicagoLion]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!

Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..

[Toronto Villa]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!

He speaks like he’s constipated, slowly, painfully squeezing out his answer. More often than sitting firmly on the fence so as to not upset any of his mates. He very rarely definitively says the ref made a massive error or VAR did. His position is to almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the ref and position why they it saw the way they did. Even if the decision is clearly wrong.

[brontebilly]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!

Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..

He's from Dublin, speaks with a completely different accent on Irish media 😂

He does seem reluctant to criticise referees decisions, would be better TV if he said I would have given it (or not). I guess some of the refs are former colleagues or mates of his but that's no different to any other pundit gig.

[ChicagoLion]

Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.

An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.

Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!

Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..

He's from Dublin, speaks with a completely different accent on Irish media 😂

He does seem reluctant to criticise referees decisions, would be better TV if he said I would have given it (or not). I guess some of the refs are former colleagues or mates of his but that's no different to any other pundit gig.

He is based in Banbury, I said he was from, not where he was born.
He started reffing in the Banbury league.
He is a twat, he was a crap ref back then but somehow crawled up the greasy pole.