Everton vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[LeeB]

Has there not? I’m sure I’ve seen VAR calls in our favour - not least that it helps us play the defensive style we do.

Yeah, but they've only backed up the decisions already given. They actually tried to rule out the penalty against Palace but for once the ref told them to fuck off.

[olaftab]

Has there not? I’m sure I’ve seen VAR calls in our favour - not least that it helps us play the defensive style we do.

No opposition team has scored a goal that was overturned by VAR for  no offside. In every case VAR agreed with onfield decision.

[PaulWinch again]

Yeah I get that, but the fact VAR is there does help us. I’d good the on field decision making has been correct, but the fact VAR is there gives us a safety net so it is useful for us.

[LeeB]

Yeah I get that, but the fact VAR is there does help us. I’d good the on field decision making has been correct, but the fact VAR is there gives us a safety net so it is useful for us.

I don't know, it seems every time we catch someone offside the linesman had seen it anyway and just puts the flag up late.

[PaulWinch again]

Right but I suspect there’s a confidence factor for the players too - i.e. they know if they get it right they’re not at the mercy of a poor call (or at least in theory).

[Smithy]

Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?

Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.

Me too.  I was thinking, "why are they showing the tugging by Lengelet on Coleman?" he wasn't interfering with the play in any shape or form. If the reason was Bailey, that should have been sorted in 10 seconds max.

Gallagher was claiming they couldn't see Bailey's position when the pass was made, not sure if that was the case initially or later. In any case Lenglet fouls the guy and Bailey is also offside. Cracking finish but the correct decision.

Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line.  Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it.  I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.

[dicedlam]

Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.

I agree, I think Lenglet is better.

Carlos will cost us at some point, just like Duran. They are both red cards waiting to happen.

[pauliewalnuts]

Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.

I agree, I think Lenglet is better.

Carlos will cost us at some point, just like Duran. They are both red cards waiting to happen.

I agree, also agree with Lee, Carlos strikles me as a poor, at best average, player. Lenglet looks like an acceptable replacement for Torres for a short period at least, whereas if Konsa is at RB, Carlos does not look like a good enough option to play in his place.

Red card and howler waiting to happen.

[AV82EC]

I think this is a bit harsh on Carlos, I think the Achilles Injury has cost him quite a bit of pace so he looks a bit cumbersome but other than getting caught in no man’s land for the Calvert chance and stupidly getting booked he didn’t do much wrong.

[taylorsworkrate]

Get Konsa back to CB and Cash to RB

[London Villan]

After the Brentford mad five minutes, the Carlos booking will probably cost him his place in the starting 11 (if Torres isn't fit)

[VillaTim]

Get Konsa back to CB and Cash to RB

agree

[brontebilly]

I think this is a bit harsh on Carlos, I think the Achilles Injury has cost him quite a bit of pace so he looks a bit cumbersome but other than getting caught in no man’s land for the Calvert chance and stupidly getting booked he didn’t do much wrong.

He made one good block covering for Konsa but don't recall him doing much right that aside. That Lewin chance should have been a goal, Martinez bailed him out big time. Pushing out playing offside 5 metres into the opponent half is hungover pub league stuff. He makes stupid fouls and decisions constantly, it's like he has to prove how much of a unit he is. Passing is very average too. Reports from Spain suggested he was very good passing out from the back but no evidence of it in a Villa shirt.

There was a ball at the end that Konsa cut off without hesitation and got fouled. It was just so easy for him in his best position. Cash had a very bright cameo too, nearly an assist and goal. Suddenly we had options on the right and left side. There's no doubt arguments for why the extra centre back is a positive at RB, extra height at set pieces etc but I didn't buy it under MON with Mellberg/Cuellar and again now.

[PaulWinch again]

I think Carlos is the current scapegoat - he’s made a couple of mistakes, but he’s generally done ok and he was superb against Arsenal.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

As for yesterday, Tarkowski should absolutely have been sent off,and could have been more than once. The referee was weak and played to the crowd reaction. If that had been at Villa Park Tarkowski would have seen red for sure.

More than anything yesterday, allowing that thug to stay on the pitch was one of the worse refereeing decisions I've seen in a very long time. Moreno had the good sense to jump up as Tarkowski lunged in otherwise he'd be in Royal Liverpool University Hospital with his season finished. The same goes for the assault on Diaby, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Tarkowski is nothing more than a thug, as Roy Keane pointed out, he knew exactly what he was doing and his challenges were out of control. I love a proper tackle but Tarkowski yesterday was a fcuking disgrace.