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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on October 02, 2025, 09:55:19 PM
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Never in doubt. We always win in Rottwedam.
6 unbeaten.
MOTM?
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3rd in the table.
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That’s our best performance of the season.
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Pau or KonsaMotM for me. Rogers getting back to form.
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Job done
Rogers and Guessand a waste of time.
Buendia quality. Bogarde looking better each game.
Win on Sunday and it’s 4 in a row. That’s the doom mongers silenced for now.
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Clean sheet away with a backup keeper and some decent signs of improvement on the year.. can't complain.
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That was good.
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Job done, Unai masterclass, the froth and bubble of a young Feyenoord fell short of a very tempered cool headed Villa, looking forward to seeing Villa in the final.
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Tough going in the first half brilliant in the second half. Bizot is an absolute gem of a find.
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Well done Villa. Two good goals and a solid enough defensive performance. A bit sloppy at times but good overall. Bizot, I have faith in him. Good win at a side bang in form, with only half a squad.
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Bizot my motm. Full confidence in him now.
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I only saw the second half, but that was absolutely fine. That was either our toughest or second-toughest fixture and we're coming back with a 2-0 win.
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Excellent result that. Tough at times, but a tough place to go.
Really good result, starting to come together more. Thought McGinn, Kamara, Emi, Bizot, Pau and Konsa were great.
Later in the game Rogers started to look sharper.
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Old fashioned European away win against a tough team. Soak up pressure and score when you get chances.
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Brilliant win. Can we play all our away games at our lucky stadium?
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We love scoring at the Peter Withe end, UTV
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It seems only right that we score at that end of the pitch!
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Rogers improved through the game, albeit starting from a very low bar. Quite a few players with good games, I'd give Bizot motm.
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Brilliant win. Can we play all our away games at our lucky stadium?
Small Heath are knocking it down. ☹️
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Some very good performances in that game. Torres man of the match, Bizot commanding, Konsa excellent, Maatsen very good. Ollie played very well first half. Buendia another who really stood out. SJM and Kamara doing what SJM and Kamara do.
I thought Guessand was very decent second half after his very quiet first half.
Great run by Malen for the second.
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I am so, so chuffed with that! We did get away with it at times in the first half but the way we owned the second half was brilliant to see. Showed some class tonight. Not an easy place to go to and win. We haven't even fully hit our stride yet. Here's to you, Unai Emery.
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Feyenoord have some really talented players there. You can see why they’re hard to beat at home.
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That's more like it.
Before we even went 1-0 up - and even if we had actually lost the game when it was in the balance - I thought Konsa and Pau were so much better than recently. Prob Pau's best game for about two years.
Bizot -Still channelling that massive Schmeichel star jump energy.
Buendia - Wizard
SJM - Standard.
Rogers - Work in progress.
Guessand - Hmm.
Biggest take home:
Unless there's a genuine clash of colours, play the in the actual Villa kit as much as possible.
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Eashy Winsh
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It seems only right that we score at that end of the pitch!
And I believe McGinn now matched Withe's Euro goal total.
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Rogers improved through the game, albeit starting from a very low bar. Quite a few players with good games, I'd give Bizot motm.
Agreed about Rogers. He showed glimpses of his best self in the first half then promptly gave the ball away. Much much better in the second half. The fact that they had a player who's sole intention seemed to be to push pull and generally niggle him or foul him for the whole game says a lot.
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Very good performance, our best of the season.
Bizot was superb. Konsa and Torres were excellent, as were Kamara and Ginny.
Guessand was awful. Truly awful. Let’s hope he is a very,very slow starter and not a dud.
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Great result, Bizot, Konsa, Torres, Kamara,SJM all excellent. Looking like our old selves at last. Need to sort Rogers and Guessand out, they are hindering us offensively. Not sure why Elliot is not getting more game time. Buendia has really taken his opportunity to impress the gaffa.
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First half not brilliant, second half improved. Pleased for wee Emi, he's doing well at the mo. Rogers' turns were sensational, his passing not so good.
I would have Bizot as MotM , with Konsa a close second.
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Fantastic result! Imagine being in that stadium amongst the Villa fans now?
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Some very good performances in that game. Torres man of the match, Bizot commanding, Konsa excellent, Maatsen very good. Ollie played very well first half. Buendia another who really stood out. SJM and Kamara doing what SJM and Kamara do.
I thought Guessand was very decent second half after his very quiet first half.
Great run by Malen for the second.
Yeah agree with this, Bizot looking very capable, Konsa!, he looks so masterful and Torres pairing makes us look very solid at the back, Buendia, another performance, took him of right at the perfect time so he stays at the top of is game for Burnley, Guessand, I would have taken him off but that's why I'm not earning millions as a manager, I think Guessand is being shaped by Unai in the same way Rogers was, it will come and when it does that 30 million will seem like peanuts.
Top result.
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Just watching the goals again. Kamaras involvement for the first goal shouldn't be understated. He stole the ball off their player with aplomb after a poor touch by Rogers then calmly played it to Buendia in the heat of battle on the edge of the box. Brilliant contribution.
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That’s our best performance of the season.
Agreed.
Keeper 8/10
Defence 8/10
Midfield 8/10
Attack: 5/10
MOTM: Maatsen. His best performance for us since signing.
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Bigot fantastic
Torres imperious and quality on the ball
Mcginn a true captains performance
Kamara a Rolls Royce
Konsa even better than a Rolls Royce
Both Cash and Maatsen very decent.
Little Emi fantastic goal
Bogarde looks a gem
Win Sunday and talk of our demise well and truly premature.
Just wait till we get some of the injured back and Rogers back into some form
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Chuffed and relieved. Bogarde looking like Kamara’s apprentice at times, needs to develop his swagger. Good subs as it turned out - wasn’t convinced at the time! I think we’d have lost with Olsen, Bizot is a great signing. McGinn - legend. All our long serving players were reliable, hope the newer ones reach the standards they have set over the last few years.
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Stat of the day.
Since they returned to major European competition in 2023-24, only Real Madrid (19), Paris St-Germain (18) and Bayern Munich (17) have won more games in those competitions than Aston Villa (16): six in the Conference League, eight in the Champions League and two in the Europa League.
(Courtesy of the BBC).
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Rimmer-Spink...motm
Martinez-Bizot...motm
That Rotterdam thing again..
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MOTM Kamara, peerless.
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Spinksian change of keeper too. Bizot apparently faced 8 shots and saved all of them Brilliant.
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That’s our best performance of the season.
Agreed.
Keeper 8/10
Defence 8/10
Midfield 8/10
Attack: 5/10
MOTM: Maatsen. His best performance for us since signing.
I thought Maatsen was decent enough, surprised you saw him as MOTM though. But fair enough.
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Very chuffed.
8 days and season seems a lot more promising now
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MOTM Kamara, peerless.
Every. Single. Game.
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Bizot looks a bit like Olsen.
But plays nothing like him, thankfully.
It's no harm if a genuine ego like Emi has a bit of genuine fear about holding on to the shirt for a change.
Let's see how he responds.
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I really love the shirt they wore tonight. I wonder if it's available to buy? Would be nice to have a shirt without a bookie's name plastered over it.
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Shout out to Malen.
He’s been finding it difficult, but his turn and drive is the reason we finished comfortably.
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Mixed enough performance in truth, particularly in the first half. Bizot bailed us out with some excellent saves and the ref disallowed a perfect goal. We were much better in the second half, key was our midfield two taking control. Guessand was much narrower too and that helped our shape in and out of possession. Delighted for Buendia, that was a quality goal. Decent cameos off bench from Bogarde and Malen.
Bizot 8 - monumental improvement on Olsen. 3 or 4 excellent saves. Calm in possession too
Cash 6 - solid defensively but a bit meh on the ball
Konsa 7 - outstanding with the ball for a change but done in the air far too often like just after our second
Torres 7 - brilliant out ball for our second. Helps us break the press in a manner Mings can't. But partnership is very weak in the air.
Maatsen 6 - mixed enough, really poor defensively in first half but stretched them a few times in second including brilliant cutback for Guessand.
Kamara 8 - cruised a bit in first half but outstanding second including winning a great tackle before the first
McGinn 8 - same as Kamara really, fortunate goal maybe but his run was brilliant
Guessand 5 - first half was Weah's cousin level but I thought he was effective enough second half
Buendia 8 - not sure about that partnership on left defensively but Emi's touch was outstanding all night and brilliant goal
Rogers 6 - mixed sublime with ridiculous. Much better second half.
Watkins 7 - very good first half I thought but a bit meh second half.
Malen sharpest he has been in a while, Bogarde was decent. Our replacement full backs less so.
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Great result, good performance.
I thought our tempo and build up play was so much better. Some great performances - Pau, and the rest of the back 4 looked good, and offered a fair bit going forward. Bizot was excellent, great to not see a lineup without Martinez and think "christ, well need to score at least 3"
Midfield 2 were excellent, as wasl ittle Emi - nice redemption arc going on there. Watkins looked sharp, I think Rogers looked a bit sharper, albeit still woefully off form and Guessard looked laboured. Bogarde and Malen both made good cameos.
Hopefully we'll beat Burnley - then onwards and upwards!
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That's arguably our best result away from home since we've been back in European competition. Still some frustrations with elements of the performance, but they can can wait for another time.
It was last ditch stuff at times, but Bizot, Konsa and Torres had really good games. Kamara was good and McGinn was excellent again.
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great result.
Pau, Konsa, Kamara , Maatsen, Emi little, Bizot and SJM all excellent.
Lucky with the goal chalked off but they could have had 10 men , which probably wouldnt suit us.
Get Sancho, Youri , Barkley and the glass man back and we will look alright.
Guessand will come good ..
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That’s our best performance of the season.
Agreed.
Keeper 8/10
Defence 8/10
Midfield 8/10
Attack: 5/10
MOTM: Maatsen. His best performance for us since signing.
I thought Maatsen was decent enough, surprised you saw him as MOTM though. But fair enough.
Maybe I'd never seen him play so well. It wasn't his usual attacking threat that impressed me, it was his defensive work.
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Mixed enough performance in truth, particularly in the first half. Bizot bailed us out with some excellent saves and the ref disallowed a perfect goal. We were much better in the second half, key was our midfield two taking control. Guessand was much narrower too and that helped our shape in and out of possession. Delighted for Buendia, that was a quality goal. Decent cameos off bench from Bogarde and Malen.
Bizot 8 - monumental improvement on Olsen. 3 or 4 excellent saves. Calm in possession too
Cash 6 - solid defensively but a bit meh on the ball
Konsa 7 - outstanding with the ball for a change but done in the air far too often like just after our second
Torres 7 - brilliant out ball for our second. Helps us break the press in a manner Mings can't. But partnership is very weak in the air.
Maatsen 6 - mixed enough, really poor defensively in first half but stretched them a few times in second including brilliant cutback for Guessand.
Kamara 8 - cruised a bit in first half but outstanding second including winning a great tackle before the first
McGinn 8 - same as Kamara really, fortunate goal maybe but his run was brilliant
Guessand 5 - first half was Weah's cousin level but I thought he was effective enough second half
Buendia 8 - not sure about that partnership on left defensively but Emi's touch was outstanding all night and brilliant goal
Rogers 6 - mixed sublime with ridiculous. Much better second half.
Watkins 7 - very good first half I thought but a bit meh second half.
Malen sharpest he has been in a while, Bogarde was decent. Our replacement full backs less so.
Hold on a minute what's happening? Im agreeing with nearly all of Bronte's points? Think I need a lie down.
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Some very good performances in that game. Torres man of the match, Bizot commanding, Konsa excellent, Maatsen very good. Ollie played very well first half. Buendia another who really stood out. SJM and Kamara doing what SJM and Kamara do.
I thought Guessand was very decent second half after his very quiet firsSome very good performances in that game. Torres man of the match, Bizot commanding, Konsa excellent, Maatsen very good. Ollie played very well first half. Buendia another who really stood out. SJM and Kamara doing what SJM and Kamara do.
I thought Guessand was very decent second half after his very quiet first half.
Great run by Malen for the second.
Great run by Malen for the second.
Agree with all of that
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Bizot was great, looking like our old selves.
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Brilliant second half, thoroughly enjoyed that.
3 in 3 for SJM, f’n love him!
King Unai of the Europa League, he’s the master of this competition.
UTV!!!
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Not sure if I WANT Bogarde to be good or whether he actually is. He seems to have the X factor which is not easy when you play DCM.
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We looked a busy, enterprising side tonight.
Unlike the side trying to play at testimonial pace in the first 2-3 games of the season.
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Mixed enough performance in truth, particularly in the first half. Bizot bailed us out with some excellent saves and the ref disallowed a perfect goal. We were much better in the second half, key was our midfield two taking control. Guessand was much narrower too and that helped our shape in and out of possession. Delighted for Buendia, that was a quality goal. Decent cameos off bench from Bogarde and Malen.
Bizot 8 - monumental improvement on Olsen. 3 or 4 excellent saves. Calm in possession too
Cash 6 - solid defensively but a bit meh on the ball
Konsa 7 - outstanding with the ball for a change but done in the air far too often like just after our second
Torres 7 - brilliant out ball for our second. Helps us break the press in a manner Mings can't. But partnership is very weak in the air.
Maatsen 6 - mixed enough, really poor defensively in first half but stretched them a few times in second including brilliant cutback for Guessand.
Kamara 8 - cruised a bit in first half but outstanding second including winning a great tackle before the first
McGinn 8 - same as Kamara really, fortunate goal maybe but his run was brilliant
Guessand 5 - first half was Weah's cousin level but I thought he was effective enough second half
Buendia 8 - not sure about that partnership on left defensively but Emi's touch was outstanding all night and brilliant goal
Rogers 6 - mixed sublime with ridiculous. Much better second half.
Watkins 7 - very good first half I thought but a bit meh second half.
Malen sharpest he has been in a while, Bogarde was decent. Our replacement full backs less so.
Hold on a minute what's happening? Im agreeing with nearly all of Bronte's points? Think I need a lie down.
Indeed, I think he's gone low on Torres, Maatsen and Guessand (who was a 5 in the first half but was better 2nd) but the rest is pretty fair.
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Before I forget, our fans were bloody brilliant. What was it, 2,500 hidden up in the skies? Most impressed and wished I was back there. Safe travel back. I trust you all enjoyed the game.
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A good solid professional away performance.
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great result.
Pau, Konsa, Kamara , Maatsen, Emi little, Bizot and SJM all excellent.
Lucky with the goal chalked off but they could have had 10 men , which probably wouldnt suit us.
Get Sancho, Youri , Barkley and the glass man back and we will look alright.
Guessand will come good ..
Perfectly summed up.
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This could be the result that gets our season motoring.
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Easy-peasy, can't believe you can still get us at 9/2 to win it. Money in the bank.
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Shush. We don't do trophies.
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Van Persie: Ref apologised to me for disallowed goal
Feyenoord boss Robin van Persie:
"That was a clear goal for us. The ref said sorry to me during half-time.
"I asked him, 'can you explain what just happened because nothing happened'. Then he said sorry. He thought someone was blocked but he said sorry a couple of times. That's a shame - it had a big influence on the game."
So did your player not being sent off. Swings and roundabouts.
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The Ref probably said sorry because it was ruled out. RVP is just sulking and has exaggerated it.
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Feyenoord didn't play badly at all. Right back definitely a player. But thought their centre backs were horribly naive at times, like the red that wasn't and getting turned so easily by Malen for our second. Second half our midfield two imposed themselves physically with ease. The conditioning levels between the PL and Dutch league are huge, same v Ajax last season.
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Great performance by us as a team. Thought Maatsen was excellent and MOM overall. Rogers was much improved, played very well in parts but gives possession away inexplicably too often, if it’s possible to stop him doing that he’d make the grade. Maybe it’s just what Rogers is, a maverick, exciting individual, or, a liability. We’ve had both but more of the latter so far this seasy.
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That was fun. There were glimmers it was going to click in the first half but admittedly we needed Bizot to bail us out. Second half we were the better side and exerted control. Nice goals, lots of decent performances and three wins on the bounce. Onwards.
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Job done
Rogers and Guessand a waste of time.
Buendia quality. Bogarde looking better each game.
Win on Sunday and it’s 4 in a row. That’s the doom mongers silenced for now.
Ridiculous post.
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Agreed. Rogers really drove us forward second half..
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Can we play all of our European games on 2nd October,? A year to the day when we beat Bayern also with a clean sheet.
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Excellent nights work, especially with six out injured/ unavailable.
Onwards and upwards!
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Excellent nights work, especially with six out injured/ unavailable.
Onwards and upwards!
Seven, but yeah
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The disallowed goal, was that the push on Cash? because looking from the side angle it didn't look over the line fully in a replay
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It was definitely over the line.
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I thought the referee acknowledged it had crossed the line but then indicated he was disallowing it for an earlier foul.
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I presume the goal line technology bleeped. In any case it is visibly over the line on a naked eye reply. That bit is not in dispute
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Job done
Rogers and Guessand a waste of time.
Buendia quality. Bogarde looking better each game.
Win on Sunday and it’s 4 in a row. That’s the doom mongers silenced for now.
Ridiculous post.
That’s what I say to the postman every day. :D
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I thought Bogarde looked like Kamara last night, relaxed on the ball, taking passes under pressure and opening up the pitch with clever passes.
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We were lucky to get in 0 0 at half time although they should have been a man down.
Bizot was very good and I like his ability to pass the ball.
We did look very good at times and more like ourselves.
Konsa Pau SJM Kamara were excellent.
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I thought Bogarde looked like Kamara last night, relaxed on the ball, taking passes under pressure and opening up the pitch with clever passes.
Yes he is beginning to look like a very good player.
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Really good European performance. We weathered a bit of a storm first half, although how good Feynenord were was constantly over inflated by that nause of a commentator.
Second half, managed a tricky first 10, then just picked them off and managed the game out.
Konsa was my motm, really classy, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Beundia and of course Bizot all really good. Bogarde calm and classy when he came on.
Watkins started well but faded, also looked moody when he went off, he really needs to get over being subbed.
Rogers, the signs are there, some of his turns and runs were brilliant, his passing not so. A confident Rogers shoots in the first half rather than try an eye of the needle through ball to Watkins.
Big Guessand was poor first half, put himself about more second, Emery obviously see’s something in him.
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My early season prediction of us struggling until confidence is boosted by winning in Europe is looking good.
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At airport for flight home. A statement win. Very good second half performance. It will be interesting to hear others experience of travel to and from the ground. Sounded good in theory but shambolic in practice. We really do get treated like cattle on these European away trips...
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First half they overan us in midfield and were unlucky not to be in front, we gave the ball away too often. Once we scored they seemed to stop running, still think we get caught too often playing out from the back but have to say there were some very good performances. JM a captain leading the way stood out for me, we need Rogers of last season to appear.
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Just seen the result and highlights. Can we start to believe again now?
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That dirty carthorse at the back for them that should have walked was in that god awful Sheff Utd team that we hammered so bad at Brammall Lane half their fans had left by half time.
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I may be wrong but I seem to remember the Conference league games helping us to find our form after a sticky start in the league that season.
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Brilliant win. Can we play all our away games at our lucky stadium?
Small Heath are knocking it down. ☹️
:-) but remember Peter E...
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Funny how history keeps repeating last year and this related to 81/82. Last season it was 1-0 to the Villa in around the 70th minute against Bayern and this season back at Rotterdam scoring in the Withe End. Love it.
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Could we copy the bit that involves lifting a trophy, please?
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Funny how history keeps repeating last year and this related to 81/82. Last season it was 1-0 to the Villa in around the 70th minute against Bayern and this season back at Rotterdam scoring in the Withe End. Love it.
With our second choice goalkeeper having to replace an injured first choice and putting in a MOTM performance.
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I may be wrong but I seem to remember the Conference league games helping us to find our form after a sticky start in the league that season.
I don't think that's quite right.
We had the Newcastle meltdown and the usual defeat at Anfield, but otherwise we were winning more or less every other league game. If anything it was our cup form that started shoddily, going out of the League Cup and losing our first Conference game to Legia, and we only scraped through our second with that last minute McGinn header against Zrinjski.
By the time we got that first Zrinjski win, we'd already put four past Everton, six past Brighton, won away at Chelsea etc.
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I may be wrong but I seem to remember the Conference league games helping us to find our form after a sticky start in the league that season.
Sort of, but they were a lot earlier that year, and were more about individuals finding a bit of confidence. Watkins’ first goals were a hat-trick v Hibs, and Duran scored in the return leg. Apart from the Newcastle disaster, results were okay anyway.
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I am confident we are on the up now, especially with SJM back to his best and finding his scoring boots, Buendia getting back to his best, with more game time Elliott is going to show us his quality, Sancho showing glimpses he's finding his true potential, Kamara is Kamara say no more and possibly most importantly Tielemans will soon be returning. That is some midfield.
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Just realised that the ref blew for the foul after the goal was scored. So VAR couldn't intervene because of why? Just wondering as it feeds back to May.
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Wasn’t yesterday the 7th anniversary of cabbagegate? What a turnaround.
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Just realised that the ref blew for the foul after the goal was scored. So VAR couldn't intervene because of why? Just wondering as it feeds back to May.
VAR could intervene but if a player falls to the ground after contact and the ref deems it foul play what can VAR do? It was probably a harsh decision but the questionable bit is whether the contact was enough to be considered a foul and the ref has made a decision on that, VAR isn't there to make him change his mind on subjective calls, it's to highlight things he's missed. If Cash had actually tripped over his own feet and there was no contact VAR could've stepped in but once they can see the Feyenoord player nudge him their job is done.
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Just realised that the ref blew for the foul after the goal was scored. So VAR couldn't intervene because of why? Just wondering as it feeds back to May.
VAR could intervene but if a player falls to the ground after contact and the ref deems it foul play what can VAR do? It was probably a harsh decision but the questionable bit is whether the contact was enough to be considered a foul and the ref has made a decision on that, VAR isn't there to make him change his mind on subjective calls, it's to highlight things he's missed. If Cash had actually tripped over his own feet and there was no contact VAR could've stepped in but once they can see the Feyenoord player nudge him their job is done.
I think that's his point. There's no real benefit in not giving the goal. Then if on review, it's a foul on Cash then VAR will reverse it.
Just like Rogers against Man Utd - give the goal, and if you need to chalk it off then fine. But at least give yourself the option.
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Just seen the result and highlights. Can we start to believe again now?
Not so sure, team still looks unbalanced to me. Don't think we can ignore the amount of chances we are conceding to some pretty average teams. We looked very weak in the air last night. But results build confidence and some individuals have really picked up their form - Torres, Buendia come to mind. Also positives with our passing from the back with Torres particularly but Konsa broke out with the ball a few times. There was less of that standing on the ball stuff. Maatsen gives us width too going forward
Tielemans returning is obviously going to improve things but McGinn has been our best player by a mile in recent games in the middle. Presume that means McGinn moving wide or at 10. Still Elliot and Sancho to fit in and Rogers is only showing glimpses of his best form.
Ideal game home to Burnley on Sunday to keep this run going.
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That dirty carthorse at the back for them that should have walked was in that god awful Sheff Utd team that we hammered so bad at Brammall Lane half their fans had left by half time.
He should of been sent off in the first half. He fouled Watkins then raised a leg the second time to make sure he went down. Inexplicable decision not to send him off.
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Just realised that the ref blew for the foul after the goal was scored. So VAR couldn't intervene because of why? Just wondering as it feeds back to May.
VAR could intervene but if a player falls to the ground after contact and the ref deems it foul play what can VAR do? It was probably a harsh decision but the questionable bit is whether the contact was enough to be considered a foul and the ref has made a decision on that, VAR isn't there to make him change his mind on subjective calls, it's to highlight things he's missed. If Cash had actually tripped over his own feet and there was no contact VAR could've stepped in but once they can see the Feyenoord player nudge him their job is done.
Fouls are subjective though in the build up to goals and checked by VAR. We were told by prem match center that VAR couldn't review if there was foul by Rogers or not BECAUSE the ball was ruled dead before it crossed the line. Now it appears that a refs decision before a goal is final even if the ball crosses the line BEFORE the whilste is blown.
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That dirty carthorse at the back for them that should have walked was in that god awful Sheff Utd team that we hammered so bad at Brammall Lane half their fans had left by half time.
He should of been sent off in the first half. He fouled Watkins then raised a leg the second time to make sure he went down. Inexplicable decision not to send him off.
I think the ref ruled Watkins had kicked the ball too close to the keeper and wouldn't have caught up beforehand. And I can see that reasoning.
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I thought Bogarde looked like Kamara last night, relaxed on the ball, taking passes under pressure and opening up the pitch with clever passes.
Agreed, I also noticed the similarities with Kamara last night, especially the little shimmy on the half-turn. Ever since seeing him in the Bilbao pre-season friendly last year at the Bescott, I've been convinced Bogarde has something about him. He was the fulcrum of our passing that evening; everyone (senior players included) wanted to get the ball to him. So it's nice to see him fulfil some of that potential.
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Funny how history keeps repeating last year and this related to 81/82. Last season it was 1-0 to the Villa in around the 70th minute against Bayern and this season back at Rotterdam scoring in the Withe End. Love it.
With our second choice goalkeeper having to replace an injured first choice and putting in a MOTM performance.
Yes of course forgot to post that!
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That dirty carthorse at the back for them that should have walked was in that god awful Sheff Utd team that we hammered so bad at Brammall Lane half their fans had left by half time.
He should of been sent off in the first half. He fouled Watkins then raised a leg the second time to make sure he went down. Inexplicable decision not to send him off.
I think the ref ruled Watkins had kicked the ball too close to the keeper and wouldn't have caught up beforehand. And I can see that reasoning.
He's definitely getting a shot off if not fouled. Whether it's a clear goalscoring opportunity for Ollie at that angle is a different matter. That's a red at Villa Park.
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I was actually pleased the player wasn't sent off, as we would've had less room to maneuver (see the recent Sunderland as evidence). I can't remember the last time we really took a side apart after they went down to 10 men.
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Club Brugge, March.
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Just realised that the ref blew for the foul after the goal was scored. So VAR couldn't intervene because of why? Just wondering as it feeds back to May.
VAR could intervene but if a player falls to the ground after contact and the ref deems it foul play what can VAR do? It was probably a harsh decision but the questionable bit is whether the contact was enough to be considered a foul and the ref has made a decision on that, VAR isn't there to make him change his mind on subjective calls, it's to highlight things he's missed. If Cash had actually tripped over his own feet and there was no contact VAR could've stepped in but once they can see the Feyenoord player nudge him their job is done.
I think that's his point. There's no real benefit in not giving the goal. Then if on review, it's a foul on Cash then VAR will reverse it.
Just like Rogers against Man Utd - give the goal, and if you need to chalk it off then fine. But at least give yourself the option.
I agree on the last bit completely, I was just pointing out why VAR didn't change the decision to disallow this one or send him to the screen, because it was out of the remit of the review system.
It's the opposite to our one at Man U in both ways because then the Ref blew early for no real reason and, if he hadn't but had then disallowed it, VAR would've been able to step in when it became clear that it was a perfectly legitimate tackle. The important bit though is that last night was VAR working, and being used, correctly (same for the yellow/red decision as well to be fair), our one last season was just really poor decision making from the ref to back himself into a corner where he had no options to fix his mistake.
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Everyone contributed with Bizot being very decent but the MOM for me was Maatsen.
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Club Brugge, March.
I can't remember that at all, but my memory isn't all that great when it comes to football.
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Team looked focussed and sharp. Some of the passing from the back was on a completely different level to Feyenoord which may be explained by salaries. But status winning front of a hostile crowd in an iconic stadium.
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I reckon the referee ruled out their goal as he was still unsure he'd made the right call not to send off their player.
It was a properly weird officiating performance all round, really, and his hand signals repeatedly contradicted his actual decision.
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Did he actually rescind the booking for the Watkins foul and, if so, is he allowed to so that?
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Agree about the referee. In his attempt to look authoritative he made himself look completely incompetent. A very strange refereeing performance.
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I reckon the referee ruled out their goal as he was still unsure he'd made the right call not to send off their player.
It was a properly weird officiating performance all round, really, and his hand signals repeatedly contradicted his actual decision.
Still trying to work out what that two fists together hand gesture meant in relation to ruling their goal out.
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Did he actually rescind the booking for the Watkins foul and, if so, is he allowed to so that?
That's the weird thing, he did rescind it, then he booked him again, that's what confused people.
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I was actually pleased the player wasn't sent off, as we would've had less room to maneuver (see the recent Sunderland as evidence). I can't remember the last time we really took a side apart after they went down to 10 men.
Absolutely this
They were quite open and attacking we had space to exploit and it was end to end stuff for a while a sending off would’ve changed all that
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That dirty carthorse at the back for them that should have walked was in that god awful Sheff Utd team that we hammered so bad at Brammall Lane half their fans had left by half time.
He should of been sent off in the first half. He fouled Watkins then raised a leg the second time to make sure he went down. Inexplicable decision not to send him off.
I think the ref ruled Watkins had kicked the ball too close to the keeper and wouldn't have caught up beforehand. And I can see that reasoning.
I can't. It looks that way because Ollie was stopped in his tracks. If he hadn't been taken out like that I think Ollie definitely gets to the ball. The keeper also knew because he hadn't moved towards the ball when Ollie was brought down.
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Did he actually rescind the booking for the Watkins foul and, if so, is he allowed to so that?
That's the weird thing, he did rescind it, then he booked him again, that's what confused people.
I think it was just the funny hand gestures that Sam mentions.
I watched the highlights again this morning, and it looks like he goes to the screen and then performatively tries to show "look, I've seen it again and I'm now waving this yellow card around to show everyone that it's still yellow, not more than that or less than that, both of which could have been possible outcomes of me seeing it again".
All the while thinking that he hasn't really been given the tools to clearly communicate it, given normally you're showing what you've changed your decision to in those circumstances.
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Did he actually rescind the booking for the Watkins foul and, if so, is he allowed to so that?
That's the weird thing, he did rescind it, then he booked him again, that's what confused people.
Yes it was as if he thought he’d given him a red card at first and was rescinding that!
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Did he actually rescind the booking for the Watkins foul and, if so, is he allowed to so that?
That's the weird thing, he did rescind it, then he booked him again, that's what confused people.
I think it was just the funny hand gestures that Sam mentions.
I watched the highlights again this morning, and it looks like he goes to the screen and then performatively tries to show "look, I've seen it again and I'm now waving this yellow card around to show everyone that it's still yellow, not more than that or less than that, both of which could have been possible outcomes of me seeing it again".
All the while thinking that he hasn't really been given the tools to clearly communicate it, given normally you're showing what you've changed your decision to in those circumstances.
Maybe but he definitely did the cancelled thing (crossing his hands in front of himself) and then pulled out the yellow card again before pointing at it. Then he went and explained it to McGinn whilst he was still fiddling about with his cards and seemed to be considering showing it again.
I get what you mean though, I think the whole thing was just a mess really and the guy desperately needs to be spoken to about how to communicate this better.
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Proper old school away win in Europe!
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So happy with the win.
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Great win. Its always pleasing when
.- you win despite not playing well
- away from home
- clean sheet
Some utterly embarrassing referring mind you but we seem to be getting better. I thought bizot buendia and kamara pau were excellent
If we can get a win at union we are in a good position
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
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Great win. Its always pleasing when
.- you win despite not playing well
- away from home
- clean sheet
Some utterly embarrassing referring mind you but we seem to be getting better. I thought bizot buendia and kamara pau were excellent
If we can get a win at union we are in a good position
If we get a win at Union, it will be a miracle.
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
I somehow missed this, too.
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
Villa supporters held back and tightly packed behind locked gates on ground floor waiting for the train. The intelligentsia then decided it would be great fun to piss on them from the top of the stand (4 floors)
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Ffs.
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The hold back wasn't too bad. Getting in was a fucking joke.
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I never saw any of that. The real mess was getting through the ticket barriers after getting off the train and the crush and waiting were awful. We were kept in afterwards but in a reasonably spacious area with toilets so not as bad as it could be. We were back in a bar at 12:15 and the locals were extremely friendly and complimentary.
A truly brilliant away trip of 36 hours and a lucky ground for us. We should play our home games v Manyoo there.
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Only negative was the beer being launched during the goals. Pissing it down in Rotterdam tonight so the jacket has a faint whiff of ale.
Felt the fanzone was well done. Lots of bars down there by the Cubes, food and a good atmosphere. Speaking to Bladen before and he was saying that the police are quite complimentary about us. We'll drink you dry but not an issue
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Is Baden still working - I thought he was due to retire in the summer?
As you say the fan zone was excellent with easy access to bars and toilets.
Rotterdam had shite weather today but a small price to pay for a great trip non Eurostar back now after a brilliant adios meal in Sijl bar with friendly locals. More trips like this please.
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The pissing on our supporters was the worst bit for me although there was a huge scrum after second goal and poor old bloke behind me got knocked over and v bad leg injury.
Fan zone was so good I got off there again on way back to a very friendly welcome albeit a different clientele.
Almost home now after a day in The Hague!
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I reckon the referee ruled out their goal as he was still unsure he'd made the right call not to send off their player.
No.
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
Not sure where that happened but not at Feyenoord stadium.
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I never saw any of that. The real mess was getting through the ticket barriers after getting off the train and the crush and waiting were awful. We were kept in afterwards but in a reasonably spacious area with toilets so not as bad as it could be. We were back in a bar at 12:15 and the locals were extremely friendly and complimentary.
A truly brilliant away trip of 36 hours and a lucky ground for us. We should play our home games v Manyoo there.
Haha. Well summed up.
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Just watched the highlights again and blow me down SJM scored with his right foot.
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
Not sure where that happened but not at Feyenoord stadium.
Unfortunately my coat says otherwise. Just getting out the washing machine!
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Fantastic night with awesome support.
The downsides were being kept waiting so long before and after the match and being pissed on by our own supporters!
Wait. What?
Not sure where that happened but not at Feyenoord stadium.
Unfortunately my coat says otherwise. Just getting out the washing machine!
I know they've had issues with plumbing there. The paste where waste pipes were leaking down the stairs etc. Would it no have been more likely to be that than people pissing directly onto you?
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I never saw any of that. The real mess was getting through the ticket barriers after getting off the train and the crush and waiting were awful. We were kept in afterwards but in a reasonably spacious area with toilets so not as bad as it could be. We were back in a bar at 12:15 and the locals were extremely friendly and complimentary.
A truly brilliant away trip of 36 hours and a lucky ground for us. We should play our home games v Manyoo there.
Haha. Well summed up.
Absolutely, always a pleasure gentlemen. We seemed to get quite a few free shots from the locals too. Feeling a bit knackered now though!!
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I never saw any of that. The real mess was getting through the ticket barriers after getting off the train and the crush and waiting were awful. We were kept in afterwards but in a reasonably spacious area with toilets so not as bad as it could be. We were back in a bar at 12:15 and the locals were extremely friendly and complimentary.
A truly brilliant away trip of 36 hours and a lucky ground for us. We should play our home games v Manyoo there.
Haha. Well summed up.
Absolutely, always a pleasure gentlemen. We seemed to get quite a few free shots from the locals too. Feeling a bit knackered now though!!
I’m absolutely knackered too but loved the trip. The Dutch know how to run bars and keep their customers happy 😃
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It didn’t seem to me that anyone was pissing on others, it was more of a torrent of liquid, so more likely a plumbing issue
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Good to see us defending well under real pressure.
I think we're going to need to draw on that quality again after the international break.