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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Rigadon on September 16, 2025, 10:07:59 PM
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Shit. Again.
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What naive, childish, shit penalties from McGinn and Cash!
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Elliot looks tidy. McGinn (shit pen aside) looks the same. Everyone else looks a step below where they were. Guessand looks like a pub player - maybe / hopefully he'll adapt. We scored.
This season is going to be shit, isn't it.
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Well we didn’t deserve to lose that, but if we continue not to score goals thats what happens
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No positives at all.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
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I think we look like a team in huge trouble. There’s nothing to us. Absolutely incredible drop.
It feels like the beginning of the end. Unai seems furious every game, although it’s difficult to see what he wants them to do, if it’s not that. The players look like they feel sorry for themselves.
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Unbeaten in 2!
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Well done Monchi. Another club you have ruined
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A performance as sloppy as the post-match thread title.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
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Another trophy slips away, over the horizon and into the bin.
Better performance though? Tbh?
It ain't good right now is it.
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We scored a goal. What more do people want?
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
Bluecoat Tom.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
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Better. Slightly but even a wins on pens is a win and does wonders for confidence.
Still not panicking but the next three games need to yield points and performances and they look hopeful given what we have seen so far.
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Poor again. We scored a fluke goal from a keeper error.
What other positives is there? We created virtually nothing again. Played slow boring footba. Didnt win again. So thats no win in what seven games?
We have gone backwards and monchi has really fucked us this summer. I dont want to hear about ffp. You spent 22m on guessand who looks worse than bailey did. 20m on malen who cant get in the first team in the league, no new right back that we needed. Then you go get a panic signing like sancho on high wages to get our wage bill up even more.
Get that clown out of this club and get a proper sporting director in
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Guessand and Malen are Monchi duds and have weakened us. The two kids were better (Bogarde and Jimoh)
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
I don't know why this ****** is allowed to post tbh.
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Agreed
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Malen's performance tonight was particularly shocking, a master class in CGAF body language.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
How does this knobhead get away with his trolling?
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Probably the better team in terms of possession and chances, we did at least create something. Not that impressive when they played mostly kids and we played the majority of our first team, though.
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Despite this competition having some of my best ever supporting moments we do not seem to care
I fear for this season
For all our improvement since uni came we don't have a style and the incoming players seem a bit crap
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Watkins, Malen, Rogers, Martinez. What is going on with the attitude of the players?
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Tom Collomosse
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Watkins running box to box post-match. Seemed to shout back at the Brentford fans after his pen, too. Anything, anything to reignite the fire in him. No Rogers in this warm down.
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Emery doesn't give a fuck about this Cup, he never has. You could tell tonight, he was wearing joggers.
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We are dull, dull, dull.
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Malen is just shit.
The other 3 know they are expendable for the right price - in response to this…..
Watkins, Malen, Rogers, Martinez. What is going on with the attitude of the players?
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I wonder if Rogers shit out of taking a pen.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
It's probably a reference to lies and someone who pretends to be a Villa fan, but is actually an ex-con Bluenose whose life took a turn for the worse when he got his 12-year-old sister pregnant.
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Something does not appear to be right at our club. I hope it's temporary but I fear it may not be.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
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open, flat , slow narrow and repeat !
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Least Sancho was better than I thought and Elliot will be good.
Malens body language was poor and Guessand gets a pass , hes raw but made good runs which Cash never played him in except once.
Bogarde MOM
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Malen's the answer!
Malen's shit!
Play Guessand!
Sell Guessand!
I'm not saying any particular player is good or bad or whatever. What I'm saying is, you can't judge anyone properly at the minute when we're so clearly in the bin as a collective.
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I honestly wouldn't play Cash again. He represents everything wrong with us. A timid,limited poser who would look more at home in the championship.
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Dross, utter fucking dross.
McGinn and Konsa aside the rest of them were embarrassing. Emery has been rumbled by opposing managers and appears to be losing the dressing room. Not a good combination.
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I wonder if Rogers shit out of taking a pen.
Would have taken the last probably but we don't know now.
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Malen and Guessand won't be the answer to our current problems. Especially Malen, the desire is not there. Guessand tries but looks a level below in basic ability.
We need Rogers and Watkins to come good and Elliot and Sancho to hit the ground running. Kamara and Onana to stay fit too. If the majority of that doesn't happen we are in trouble.
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Surprised our set piece specialist missed his penalty.
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Im an outlier here, whilst it wasn’t great and its shit to go out, I think there were some green shoots. I thought defensively we looked fairly sound and Konsa in particular was largely very good. I think Bogarde had a good game as did McGinn apart from the pen. I also thought Rogers looked lively for the first time in ages when he came on. I think Elliot and Sancho will add something, especially if Sancho and Maatsen can build an understanding.
Downside Guessand looks way off it at the moment and Malen doesnt look good enough with no where near the effort required.
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We played better and scored. To be honest we hit the post and could have had a pen or two and I think were comfortably the better team. For short periods we looked quite handy.
Still not great - but I think Elliot and Sancho looked sharp. Think McGinn and Bogarde grew into the game. Guessard looks very raw - but then so did Rogers when we first signed him. It would be great if he adapted quickly.
Unai will sort it
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I went for 0-0 and out on pens so this was actually great. Bringing out the champers.
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I thought Cash was ok again to be honest but like a few have said, he really really shouldn't be on corner duty.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
It's probably a reference to lies and someone who pretends to be a Villa fan, but is actually an ex-con Bluenose whose life took a turn for the worse when he got his 12-year-old sister pregnant.
Was wondering this myself.Which poster are they referring to?
Im still in shock that we lost this. Im probably expe ting too much but really did think the players would want to bounce back after the shit several weeks. Im fucking gutted that is another lame run in the cup 😔
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Better in possession.
I'd start Elliott over Rogers on that showing.
And that's about it.
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Malen's the answer!
Malen's shit!
Play Guessand!
Sell Guessand!
I'm not saying any particular player is good or bad or whatever. What I'm saying is, you can't judge anyone properly at the minute when we're so clearly in the bin as a collective.
I will add to this that having a go at Cash, or Bizot, or Sancho, or Watkins, or Rogers, or whoever else you need to think about hating in order to give your AI waifu a rock hard time, is a waste of effort.
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
I don't know why this ****** is allowed to post tbh.
Why isn't he being binned?
Its obvious he isn't a Villa fan.
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If we had won on pens, I think people would be a lot more positive and as shoot-outs are a bit of a lottery I think there's a lot more pluses to take from the game than the league match here a couple of weeks ago.
Rogers looked more dangerous in 20 minutes than he has done all season.
Minutes in the legs for Sancho and Elliott who both looked lively in patches.
Guessand is going to need a lot of time but these are the games where he will learn.
I hope we smash these cvnts at Villa Park because they've been fortunate in both wins over us. A route-one goal and then camping in their own half in the league game and then tonight, the sliding doors moment is us hitting the post at 1-0 and Hickey scoring a wonder goal - his first in 3 years and probably last one for another 3.
Small steps forward. 1-1 at full-time and trying to win it at the death.
Our schedule is pretty stacked now with the Europa League. Going out of this gives us a rare free midweek between league games against Citeh and Liverpool either side of Halloween when the next round of the Carabao takes place.
But boy could we do with beating another candystriped team away this weekend. Sunderland is going to be tough but we have to show-up and deliver the goods now.
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Something is wrong something is going on off the field, it’s more than just tactics or bad form no matter who plays it’s the same turgid performance
It’s a bad thing that’s happened
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We looked pretty crap against a team made up primarily of their b and c tier players. All our starting outfield players are supposed first team level.
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An improvement on matches, played to date, but it's a very low par. Konsa looked class, McGinn, shame about the pen, but played well and also Rogers looked good, when he came on, why didn't he take a pen?
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We only took four. We might never know if he was due to take one.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
He should have replaced a long time ago, the quality of the rest of the team covered his weakness, now it stands out like a beacon.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
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I thought Cash was fine today, penalty aside. And even then, it was more "good save" than "bad miss". He always gives his all and I never dislike any Villa player who does that.
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Im an outlier here, whilst it wasn’t great and its shit to go out, I think there were some green shoots. I thought defensively we looked fairly sound and Konsa in particular was largely very good. I think Bogarde had a good game as did McGinn apart from the pen. I also thought Rogers looked lively for the first time in ages when he came on. I think Elliot and Sancho will add something, especially if Sancho and Maatsen can build an understanding.
Downside Guessand looks way off it at the moment and Malen doesnt look good enough with no where near the effort required.
Im with RamboandBruno - I feel better after that game then before despite being massively disapointed and Im glass half empty at the best of times. I'll give Guessand and Malen a pass - as the first is new and we have seen better from the second. We cant buy a win at the second - but thats the way sometimes. Wegner, Ferguson etc all had periods like that. Im sure well sort it.
I also thought Cash was fine. He's limited but does ok.
My biggest frustration is our set pieces they seem to have gone to shite. Does McPhee even get up for them anymore
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
She just said she avoids the match threads
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
Based on tonight terrible additions.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
🙄
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Being a ****** is so easy for you.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
I think we all know the answer
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Better side, looked to carry more threat, particularly in the second half; Sancho, Cash and Rogers should all score. Nice to look at bit more lively than we have done all season.
Sancho positioning I think at times blended too much with the lines Maatsen wanted to pick. Some rustiness there. Guessand needed to be a bit more direct at times, although he was usually surrounded. The one time he did break clear he put the ball across for Sancho.
Defensively sound, save for the midfield not reacting to the Stoke impression. Good finish from Hickey, but he tries it 999 times again and he's more likely to pick Turkish Airlines going overhead.
Meh with penalties. Wasn't hugely fussed going to the game, desperately wanted a bit more attacking threat and we got that.
Rogers shoulders, the pair of them, are strapped with a tonne of kinesiology tape.
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Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
The problem is that he’s still our starting right back and that fault lies elsewhere.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 7, won 7.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
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We only took four. We might never know if he was due to take one.
Maatsen appeared to be the other one in the group who UE was talking to at the final whistle, all the others took pens.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Agreed
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
Based on tonight terrible additions.
At least Sancho looked like he has a good touch,and can hold on to the ball. Guessard's touch was awful all game
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Agreed
I agree too.
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Thought it was a big improvement. We scored and created chances to add a second despite rustiness from Sancho/Elliot, and Guessand not quite being up to speed.
Rarely looked troubled at the back. Pleased to see Kamara getting on for some minutes.
Bizot never looked like getting anywhere near the penalties. Penalty from Cash was good save rather than poor miss.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 6, won 6.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
Really l? Corking stat, our kid.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Going on a long time too
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I’m disappointed but not too down hearted. We now need to put everything into winning the Europa, that and the league are our priority.
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FA Cup for me.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 6, won 6.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
Really l? Corking stat, our kid.
No, actually I missed one. It's played seven, won seven against non-London opponents.
Won: Colchester (h), Tranmere (h), Inter (h), Bolton (Wembley), Sunderland (a), West Brom (a), Lille (a)
Lost: Wimbledon (a), West Ham (a) - annulled, Chelsea (a), Brentford (a).
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Dicked by Brentford twice to start the season. Fuck sake. A side that put out its reserves tonight, that have lost pretty much all their best players and manager. Have a bloke you’d find working in Aldi as manager. Fucking miserable. The summer and start to this season literally could not have been much worse. In fact from the cup SF on has been a nightmare.
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I am starting to get worried mind.
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Better for me. Squeezed in a goal but apart from that, positives were Maatsen and Sancho on left.
Konsa and McGinn very good. Rogers showed a bit of quality too. Negatives, Malen and Guessand were appalling really. More worried about Malen, thought we should have moved him on in the summer. Ollie's cameo was brutal too.
Bizot 5 - not much to do but flapped at one cross
Cash 7 - solid game, some nice deliveries too and probably should have got the winner
Konsa 8 - classy performance really, took a few risks on the ball and a couple of solid blocks
Torres 7 - slow enough start but confidence with the ball definitely improved in second
Maatsen 7 - big improvement on our displays at left back so far, got stuck in and combined well with Sancho.
Bogarde 6 - tired in second half but solid in first. Happy enough with him.
McGinn 8 - very good throughout, turnover forced the goal
Guessand 3 - ball was not his friend, let's just hope some settling in nerves but very poor
Elliot 6 - some nice touches and movement at times, fortunate enough goal. Going to have to get fitter/stronger though
Sancho 7 - good debut. Probably should have scored that one but some promising signs with Maatsen on left. Touch is very sharp and that helps retain possession
Malen 2 - back to goal play appalling really, not sure what else to say.
Subs Ollie was a passenger, Rogers finally showed something with a few nice turns with the ball and a decent shot on target. Others were ok.
Emery 7 - solid team and shape. No issue with team selection or subs. Will be happy with the left side.
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Just written a long, measured post that has disappeared among a flurry of weird adverts. Fuck it I’m off to bed.
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@brontebilly, I agree with quite a lot, but I’d be much harsher on Maatsen and Sancho.
Malen was poor but was a welterweight competing against heavyweights for our long hoofed clearances. Guessand has shades of Zaniolo about him - skilful but struggling with physical side, and I have no idea of what type of player either of them are.
PS fans were excellent, non stop singing for first 20, then slowly had energy sucked out, reflecting the team. Still good vocal encouragement for the second half and stuck with the team
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I honestly wouldn't play Cash again. He represents everything wrong with us. A timid,limited poser who would look more at home in the championship.
Yet he defended solidly yet again tonight, puts Guessand through for the one Sancho hit off the post. Comes closest to getting us the winner too.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight. Contrast our disastrous start to the season, getting booted from the CC by Brentford to the CL kicking off tonight. That was us last year. All the glitz and glamour that we earned to now having to accept where we are.
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Nothing wrong with Cash last night. He was solid enough and had an effort on target well saved. I would look at the bigger picture and have an observation of what was in front of him on the right.......zero support, no movement, nothing.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.
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The good news is we had 6 shots on target
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It’s not great is it.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.
Mate delighted for you. Absolutely cherish those moments.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.
Mate delighted for you. Absolutely cherish those moments.
Cheers mate, I will.
It’s fine for everyone else to be miserable of course. I’m not trying to derail that at all. Just sharing my personal joy as it’s been a bit too traumatic to post about up to now.
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This has been our worst start of sesson sonce we retirned to premier league. Our seasons counting on europa now. This start has been a complete and utter disaster. One fucking goal in what seven games?
The footballs dreadful, we are creating virtually nothing and whats even more depressing is our fixtures have not even been hard.
This is veey worrying and our owners need to start getting more involved as monchi is totally fucking this club. The guys wasted millions and should be sacked as he has done a terrible job.
That performance against a brentford B side was again poor. Losing twice to brentford.brenford!. Im so pissed off this morning
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I thought we were the better team, they only threatened from corners and long throws.
Think if Sancho scores then we go through.
Also we looked comfortable until their RB smashed it in.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight. Contrast our disastrous start to the season, getting booted from the CC by Brentford to the CL kicking off tonight. That was us last year. All the glitz and glamour that we earned to now having to accept where we are.
This is how I felt too, seeing Arse and Spuds win. I think that is how the whole club are feeling, but like me, they better snap out of it pronto.
I actually thought we should have won and were a lot better, and were looking pretty good towards the end. The pens, their keeper was always going to be the "hero" after that blunder, but I had no faith that Bizot looked like he was going to get anywhere near any of them, and he didn't. Although he had a decent game.
But if they use PSR or whatever as an excuse again, they can fuck right off. The money we have spent has been spent poorly - Malen and Guessand are poor signings (yes I know it's early days, but surely you can tell from things like 1st touch), surely better value could be had from that. Our own kid that came on showed more in ten minutes.
We then see a lad we have allowed out on loan, with an apparent option to buy of 15m Euros scoring in the Champions league, when most observers saw uge potential and someone worth trying.
Spending significant wages to rehabilitate Sancho? Really?
But, for me, there were enough green shoots there to have some optimism.
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I only caught the second half and felt we were actually much improved - we were better in possession, passing was generally tighter, but then again Rogers only came on at the end... (half kidding). He looked a bit more like his old self too, one good run, a decentish shot, etc. That sense of being totally disinterested felt less to me too, which is probably my main reason for feeling better about it. We weren't great but it was a step forwards from a performance perspective.
I thought we had three decent shouts for a penalty too. Cash was clipped when sort of falling but that put the full stop on him. And McGinn later on too.
I'm still confident in Emery but just wonder about the players. Is everyone still all-in on this team/club? Or are we just anticipating a long season so starting in a more measured (terrible) way?
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I thought we were the better team, they only threatened from corners and long throws.
Think if Sancho scores then we go through.
Also we looked comfortable until their RB smashed it in.
I agree with you.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.
Mate delighted for you. Absolutely cherish those moments.
Cheers mate, I will.
It’s fine for everyone else to be miserable of course. I’m not trying to derail that at all. Just sharing my personal joy as it’s been a bit too traumatic to post about up to now.
Good for you Perce, they are indeed moments to cherish.
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I thought it was our worst display so far this season,
Yes the stats are a little better but the opposition was piss poor, a team stripped of all their best players stripped of their management team, and playing a second string of nobodies
we huffed and puffed and apart from a couple of speculative shots and one decent save from their goalie during the whole match we were absolutely rubbish, I mean as dire as it gets as a performance
You’re living in Candyland if you think we’re getting anywhere from last night’s performance,
We’ve got a bloke on 300 grand a week but he’s got a nice touch at times at times,
He did fuck all.
Guesand had a good chance of being their best player of the match as he passed and lost possession to their players often than they did
Malen was the invisible man,
Konsa and Pao did OK, but then again they were up against a bunch of trainees, rejects and has beens
When the big guns came on in second half they just proved to be big useless twats
and I got nearer the ball sitting in my front room than the goalie did with the penalties
I see nothing from last night but big big problems. As I’ve said before something‘s going on behind the scenes it’s got to be because nothing else makes sense
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I totally disagree with you.
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Nice to hear about your boy Perce, we need a bit of good news around here
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I thought we were the better side overall but it does need to be a lot better. I think if Sancho puts his chance away, the game is won.
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Or if Rogers or if Cash do and the thread is 3 pages long and the other threads barely move a tick. If this forum is a waste of time, ultimately and we all know how it works and who will say what...we're really wasting our lives.
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Not very good again.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.
Great news Percy, bet you are very proud. It's made me feel a bit better so thank you.
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Good news, Percy.
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Pleased for you and the little man Percy. Could you have a chat with said Land Rover driver to run Matt Cash down?
(Too soon, sorry mate!)
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Glad to hear that your son is recovered enough to start scoring goals again, Percy!
What a relief for you and for his mother.
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Or if Rogers or if Cash do and the thread is 3 pages long and the other threads barely move a tick. If this forum is a waste of time, ultimately and we all know how it works and who will say what...we're really wasting our lives.
This is true, really. The actual number of heavy users on here is pretty small, and most of us have been using it for years.
We genuinely do know exactly what the opinion of others will be before we even see it.
And you’re right. We are wasting our lives here.
And before anyone says “bye then” THIS IS ALL I HAVE.
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Or if Rogers or if Cash do and the thread is 3 pages long and the other threads barely move a tick. If this forum is a waste of time, ultimately and we all know how it works and who will say what...we're really wasting our lives.
This is true, really. The actual number of heavy users on here is pretty small, and most of us have been using it for years.
We genuinely do know exactly what the opinion of others will be before we even see it.
And you’re right. We are wasting our lives here.
And before anyone says “bye then” THIS IS ALL I HAVE.
I knew you would say that :)
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I'm still confident in Emery but just wonder about the players. Is everyone still all-in on this team/club? Or are we just anticipating a long season so starting in a more measured (terrible) way?
I've felt for a while that although they have achieved a fair bit in the past couple of seasons, this group of players aren't the most resilient bunch when things aren't going for them. I accept that there has been a lot more good than bad over the past few seasons, but the bad has tended to be very bad at times.
I look at the squad we have now and just wonder if the will and desire is there to fight their way out of this. Quite a number of players have been linked with moves away over the past months and the body language does not look great at the moment. Last night showed that the new players brought in over the summer are going to need time and probably aren't going to provide that instant uplift we need at the moment.
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Or if Rogers or if Cash do and the thread is 3 pages long and the other threads barely move a tick. If this forum is a waste of time, ultimately and we all know how it works and who will say what...we're really wasting our lives.
Agreed and it’s why I’m not bothering reading any further up the thread. To my mind despite looking disjointed at times there were some encouraging signs last night, particularly Rogers who looked more like himself in his few minutes on the pitch. The new signings getting minutes is another plus as is Kamara being fit again and having a backup keeper we can trust.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
He's not. He lives under a bridge in Small Heath.
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I agree Chris. Looking forward to Sunderland, a win and only 3 pages to digest.
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For so long, under Unai, we have been more than the sum of our parts. Now we look the opposite.
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Still way short but there were some positives. Just need our first win to kickstart the season.Thought the fans really turned up for the team last night. Hopefully the same against Sunderland.
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Tough one that. One of those that makes the pillow feel colder when your head hits it.
For all the doom saying, there where a few positives to take away. We looked far, far better in the opening 25 then we have all season. Thought Maatsen and Bogaarde where fantastic for the most part and Guessand, despite his loose touches shows some promise. He needs time to bed into the league, I'm not going to kick his teeth out when he's barely had 2 hours on the grass.
Bizot again looked lively with a few decent clearances and catches, though pens seem to be his kryptonite.
Cash (to most peoples annoyance it seems) but in another shift for us and made some great challenges to slow down the counters.
Elliot is as good as I knew he would be. Calm and collected on the ball and runs about like a terrier when needed. If half the midfield had his work rate we'd look twice as good.
Sancho didn't set the wing alight but made a couple of decent runs, dropping his shoulder and taking on the back line. Didn't drop back as much as I think most of us would want, but never seemed to be that sort of player anyway. Keep him high, feed him the ball and let him find Watkins.
Colossal game on Sunday now. Would like to see the same lineup with Watkins in for Malen and Kamara starting, but I doubt it'll happen bar the latter two.
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I thought we did a few things slightly differently. Maatsen would position higher when the defence was in possession and we also seemed to collapse the midfield onto the defence to create space for the long ball in behind.
Brentford mixed their pressing pattern a bit and it's a different shape to combat. Horrible side to play. Very Pulis era Stoke.
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One thing Id like to see Cash off the corners.
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Better for me. Squeezed in a goal but apart from that, positives were Maatsen and Sancho on left.
Konsa and McGinn very good. Rogers showed a bit of quality too. Negatives, Malen and Guessand were appalling really. More worried about Malen, thought we should have moved him on in the summer. Ollie's cameo was brutal too.
Bizot 5 - not much to do but flapped at one cross
Cash 7 - solid game, some nice deliveries too and probably should have got the winner
Konsa 8 - classy performance really, took a few risks on the ball and a couple of solid blocks
Torres 7 - slow enough start but confidence with the ball definitely improved in second
Maatsen 7 - big improvement on our displays at left back so far, got stuck in and combined well with Sancho.
Bogarde 6 - tired in second half but solid in first. Happy enough with him.
McGinn 8 - very good throughout, turnover forced the goal
Guessand 3 - ball was not his friend, let's just hope some settling in nerves but very poor
Elliot 6 - some nice touches and movement at times, fortunate enough goal. Going to have to get fitter/stronger though
Sancho 7 - good debut. Probably should have scored that one but some promising signs with Maatsen on left. Touch is very sharp and that helps retain possession
Malen 2 - back to goal play appalling really, not sure what else to say.
Subs Ollie was a passenger, Rogers finally showed something with a few nice turns with the ball and a decent shot on target. Others were ok.
Emery 7 - solid team and shape. No issue with team selection or subs. Will be happy with the left side.
Man oh man, my only issue with these ratings is that I think they're a bit generous!
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One thing Id like to see Cash off the corners.
Off the pitch more like.
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Tough one that. One of those that makes the pillow feel colder when your head hits it.
For all the doom saying, there where a few positives to take away. We looked far, far better in the opening 25 then we have all season. Thought Maatsen and Bogaarde where fantastic for the most part and Guessand, despite his loose touches shows some promise. He needs time to bed into the league, I'm not going to kick his teeth out when he's barely had 2 hours on the grass.
Bizot again looked lively with a few decent clearances and catches, though pens seem to be his kryptonite.
Cash (to most peoples annoyance it seems) but in another shift for us and made some great challenges to slow down the counters.
Elliot is as good as I knew he would be. Calm and collected on the ball and runs about like a terrier when needed. If half the midfield had his work rate we'd look twice as good.
Sancho didn't set the wing alight but made a couple of decent runs, dropping his shoulder and taking on the back line. Didn't drop back as much as I think most of us would want, but never seemed to be that sort of player anyway. Keep him high, feed him the ball and let him find Watkins.
Colossal game on Sunday now. Would like to see the same lineup with Watkins in for Malen and Kamara starting, but I doubt it'll happen bar the latter two.
Think there's an overreaction to the performance last night, driven primarily by the result from what I can see. I'm not sure what exactly people were expecting. We were down to our last two possible options to play in CM. Emery had to throw the new forward players in to give them a game. As expected it was mixed enough, very little cohesion between the four of them. Two very poor individual performances. But Sancho, Cash, Rogers those are all decent chances to win it. We finished strongly after the subs came in. Kamara back fit, Rogers finally showing something. Two centre backs resembling footballers again.
In comparison, the Brentford league game, Palace and Everton first halves we were an incoherent mess with and without the ball.
Maatsen and Sancho should start on left the next day. Kamara and Rogers back in. Torres hasn't done enough to displace Mings but it's an option. Elliot will come on from the game last night and is off the mark. McGinn to stay in CM. We will be better.
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Tough one that. One of those that makes the pillow feel colder when your head hits it.
For all the doom saying, there where a few positives to take away. We looked far, far better in the opening 25 then we have all season. Thought Maatsen and Bogaarde where fantastic for the most part and Guessand, despite his loose touches shows some promise. He needs time to bed into the league, I'm not going to kick his teeth out when he's barely had 2 hours on the grass.
Bizot again looked lively with a few decent clearances and catches, though pens seem to be his kryptonite.
Cash (to most peoples annoyance it seems) but in another shift for us and made some great challenges to slow down the counters.
Elliot is as good as I knew he would be. Calm and collected on the ball and runs about like a terrier when needed. If half the midfield had his work rate we'd look twice as good.
Sancho didn't set the wing alight but made a couple of decent runs, dropping his shoulder and taking on the back line. Didn't drop back as much as I think most of us would want, but never seemed to be that sort of player anyway. Keep him high, feed him the ball and let him find Watkins.
Colossal game on Sunday now. Would like to see the same lineup with Watkins in for Malen and Kamara starting, but I doubt it'll happen bar the latter two.
Think there's an overreaction to the performance last night, driven primarily by the result from what I can see. I'm not sure what exactly people were expecting. We were down to our last two possible options to play in CM. Emery had to throw the new forward players in to give them a game. As expected it was mixed enough, very little cohesion between the four of them. Two very poor individual performances. But Sancho, Cash, Rogers those are all decent chances to win it. We finished strongly after the subs came in. Kamara back fit, Rogers finally showing something. Two centre backs resembling footballers again.
In comparison, the Brentford league game, Palace and Everton first halves we were an incoherent mess with and without the ball.
Maatsen and Sancho should start on left the next day. Kamara and Rogers back in. Torres hasn't done enough to displace Mings but it's an option. Elliot will come on from the game last night and is off the mark. McGinn to stay in CM. We will be better.
Kind of agree with all this, though I would keep Torres in. Hopefully Tielemans comes back as well.
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Tough one that. One of those that makes the pillow feel colder when your head hits it.
For all the doom saying, there where a few positives to take away. We looked far, far better in the opening 25 then we have all season. Thought Maatsen and Bogaarde where fantastic for the most part and Guessand, despite his loose touches shows some promise. He needs time to bed into the league, I'm not going to kick his teeth out when he's barely had 2 hours on the grass.
Bizot again looked lively with a few decent clearances and catches, though pens seem to be his kryptonite.
Cash (to most peoples annoyance it seems) but in another shift for us and made some great challenges to slow down the counters.
Elliot is as good as I knew he would be. Calm and collected on the ball and runs about like a terrier when needed. If half the midfield had his work rate we'd look twice as good.
Sancho didn't set the wing alight but made a couple of decent runs, dropping his shoulder and taking on the back line. Didn't drop back as much as I think most of us would want, but never seemed to be that sort of player anyway. Keep him high, feed him the ball and let him find Watkins.
Colossal game on Sunday now. Would like to see the same lineup with Watkins in for Malen and Kamara starting, but I doubt it'll happen bar the latter two.
Think there's an overreaction to the performance last night, driven primarily by the result from what I can see. I'm not sure what exactly people were expecting. We were down to our last two possible options to play in CM. Emery had to throw the new forward players in to give them a game. As expected it was mixed enough, very little cohesion between the four of them. Two very poor individual performances. But Sancho, Cash, Rogers those are all decent chances to win it. We finished strongly after the subs came in. Kamara back fit, Rogers finally showing something. Two centre backs resembling footballers again.
In comparison, the Brentford league game, Palace and Everton first halves we were an incoherent mess with and without the ball.
Maatsen and Sancho should start on left the next day. Kamara and Rogers back in. Torres hasn't done enough to displace Mings but it's an option. Elliot will come on from the game last night and is off the mark. McGinn to stay in CM. We will be better.
Kind of agree with all this, though I would keep Torres in. Hopefully Tielemans comes back as well.
Yep, could do with Kamara and Tielemans back in the starting line-up ASAP. If we get that, then I'd push McGinn further forward for now to give us a bit of energy, have Elliott on the right and Rogers on the left and go with that.
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Tough one that. One of those that makes the pillow feel colder when your head hits it.
For all the doom saying, there where a few positives to take away. We looked far, far better in the opening 25 then we have all season. Thought Maatsen and Bogaarde where fantastic for the most part and Guessand, despite his loose touches shows some promise. He needs time to bed into the league, I'm not going to kick his teeth out when he's barely had 2 hours on the grass.
Bizot again looked lively with a few decent clearances and catches, though pens seem to be his kryptonite.
Cash (to most peoples annoyance it seems) but in another shift for us and made some great challenges to slow down the counters.
Elliot is as good as I knew he would be. Calm and collected on the ball and runs about like a terrier when needed. If half the midfield had his work rate we'd look twice as good.
Sancho didn't set the wing alight but made a couple of decent runs, dropping his shoulder and taking on the back line. Didn't drop back as much as I think most of us would want, but never seemed to be that sort of player anyway. Keep him high, feed him the ball and let him find Watkins.
Colossal game on Sunday now. Would like to see the same lineup with Watkins in for Malen and Kamara starting, but I doubt it'll happen bar the latter two.
Think there's an overreaction to the performance last night, driven primarily by the result from what I can see. I'm not sure what exactly people were expecting. We were down to our last two possible options to play in CM. Emery had to throw the new forward players in to give them a game. As expected it was mixed enough, very little cohesion between the four of them. Two very poor individual performances. But Sancho, Cash, Rogers those are all decent chances to win it. We finished strongly after the subs came in. Kamara back fit, Rogers finally showing something. Two centre backs resembling footballers again.
In comparison, the Brentford league game, Palace and Everton first halves we were an incoherent mess with and without the ball.
Maatsen and Sancho should start on left the next day. Kamara and Rogers back in. Torres hasn't done enough to displace Mings but it's an option. Elliot will come on from the game last night and is off the mark. McGinn to stay in CM. We will be better.
Normally agree with 80% of the stuff you post Bronty but these excuses don’t wash
You asked what did I expect, I expected a decent performance against a second string Brentford who have been asset striped of their best players and manager
What I didn’t expect is for Emery for the second time to be out maneuvered by fucking Keith Andrews how the fuck he is even a Premier league manager beggars his belief, he’s fucking useless, and he won’t be there at the end of the season, but still managed to bounce Unai around,
not that they played well they can’t with the bozo’s they put out (damsgaard apart) They’re fucking rubbish but they didn’t have to we were just…well non-competitive
Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing that Unai can do to make me want him out, nothing at all
He’s the best manager we’ve had in 40 years, that’s why I say there’s things going on we don’t know about at the moment,
But there’s no green shoots for me about last night and to be honest I expect the same again on Saturday ( yeah I know that’s the spirit)
Until something changes and we get to the bottom of it it’s gonna be a rocky ride
And there’s no point pretending otherwise
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Andrews is a handful of games into the job at Brentford, seems harsh to write him off as fucking useless so quickly.
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I think folk are just jealous of his curly hair.
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Bizot - Did very well (Penalties aside) and could not be expected to save their goal - even though the boring prick Alan Smith said he should of done better
Cash - Defended well and should of had a pen if VAR was present although the endless cut backs have me screaming at the TV
Konsa - My MOTM as i though he was very cool and never under direct threat
Pau - Stupidly put the ball out for a throw that lead to the goal - unlucky with the header out for them to score - no real press splitting passes - mainly due to no one being available - Our single biggest weakness without Uri
Maatsen - Forward well but goes missing on defence
McGinn - Apart from his involvement in the goal i though he was ineffective
Bogarde - Sat in very well and did his job
Guessand - Tried but not really up to speed yet - especially with the physicality of the league
Sancho - Hitting the post aside - thought he was pretty "Meh"
Elliott - Goal aside again thought he was pretty anon
Malen - Looked lost although created one half chance for himself that he blazed wide
Rogers - First thing he did was demand the ball then subsequently lost it
Kamara - Good to see him back
Buendia - anon
Watkins - looks as lost as Malen
Pens - shit happens - to be fair both were more decent saves that shit pens
Emery - he must be agonising on this poor form
Overall - not great but not totally shite
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I went last night and I think it was very poor.
My concerns are the lack of pace which we still haven’t sorted and the lack of goals. Seems obvious with the goals but I’m struggling to see where they are going to come from.
We have to change something tactically, it’s an absolute must because having the ball and not having goals in the team is a recipe for disaster.
I think the left hand side with Maatsen and Sancho could be plus but even so there are not enough goals in this team.
We’ve left ourselves woefully short and unless we can come up with something to suit what we have we are in for a long season.
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Thanks for all the kinds thoughts for the babby everyone, much appreciated.
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Thanks for all the kinds thoughts for the babby everyone, much appreciated.
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Yes, good luck to you Percy
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Andrews is a handful of games into the job at Brentford, seems harsh to write him off as fucking useless so quickly.
I was going out on a limb
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Erm…maybe he means the FA Cup.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
No reply so goodbye. If BC means Black Country as opposed to SHA and you are just a seriously disillusioned, negative Villa fan as opposed to a bluenose troll then I apologise and please contact the Forum Admin via the Contact Us link.
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Best wishes to your son, Percy.
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Best wishes to your son, Percy.
Thanks Lee.
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Thanks for all the kinds thoughts for the babby everyone, much appreciated.
Yes, good luck to you Percy
Thanks Pat.
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Best wishes to your son Percy.
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Best wishes too, Percy.
UTV.
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Thanks lads. He’s doing great now.
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Sorry Percy, only just seen your original post, I normally give your posts a swerve. ;)
Delighted your lad is up and running again, next step is to sneak him on the Villa coach heading up to Sunderland. We could really do with a goalscorer.
All the best fella.