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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rigadon on September 16, 2025, 10:07:59 PM
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Shit. Again.
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What naive, childish, shit penalties from McGinn and Cash!
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Elliot looks tidy. McGinn (shit pen aside) looks the same. Everyone else looks a step below where they were. Guessand looks like a pub player - maybe / hopefully he'll adapt. We scored.
This season is going to be shit, isn't it.
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Well we didn’t deserve to lose that, but if we continue not to score goals thats what happens
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No positives at all.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
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I think we look like a team in huge trouble. There’s nothing to us. Absolutely incredible drop.
It feels like the beginning of the end. Unai seems furious every game, although it’s difficult to see what he wants them to do, if it’s not that. The players look like they feel sorry for themselves.
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Unbeaten in 2!
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Well done Monchi. Another club you have ruined
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A performance as sloppy as the post-match thread title.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
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Another trophy slips away, over the horizon and into the bin.
Better performance though? Tbh?
It ain't good right now is it.
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We scored a goal. What more do people want?
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
Bluecoat Tom.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
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Better. Slightly but even a wins on pens is a win and does wonders for confidence.
Still not panicking but the next three games need to yield points and performances and they look hopeful given what we have seen so far.
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Poor again. We scored a fluke goal from a keeper error.
What other positives is there? We created virtually nothing again. Played slow boring footba. Didnt win again. So thats no win in what seven games?
We have gone backwards and monchi has really fucked us this summer. I dont want to hear about ffp. You spent 22m on guessand who looks worse than bailey did. 20m on malen who cant get in the first team in the league, no new right back that we needed. Then you go get a panic signing like sancho on high wages to get our wage bill up even more.
Get that clown out of this club and get a proper sporting director in
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Guessand and Malen are Monchi duds and have weakened us. The two kids were better (Bogarde and Jimoh)
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
I don't know why this ****** is allowed to post tbh.
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Agreed
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Malen's performance tonight was particularly shocking, a master class in CGAF body language.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
How does this knobhead get away with his trolling?
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Probably the better team in terms of possession and chances, we did at least create something. Not that impressive when they played mostly kids and we played the majority of our first team, though.
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Despite this competition having some of my best ever supporting moments we do not seem to care
I fear for this season
For all our improvement since uni came we don't have a style and the incoming players seem a bit crap
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Watkins, Malen, Rogers, Martinez. What is going on with the attitude of the players?
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Tom Collomosse
@TomCollomosse
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Watkins running box to box post-match. Seemed to shout back at the Brentford fans after his pen, too. Anything, anything to reignite the fire in him. No Rogers in this warm down.
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Emery doesn't give a fuck about this Cup, he never has. You could tell tonight, he was wearing joggers.
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We are dull, dull, dull.
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Malen is just shit.
The other 3 know they are expendable for the right price - in response to this…..
Watkins, Malen, Rogers, Martinez. What is going on with the attitude of the players?
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I wonder if Rogers shit out of taking a pen.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
It's probably a reference to lies and someone who pretends to be a Villa fan, but is actually an ex-con Bluenose whose life took a turn for the worse when he got his 12-year-old sister pregnant.
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Something does not appear to be right at our club. I hope it's temporary but I fear it may not be.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
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open, flat , slow narrow and repeat !
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Least Sancho was better than I thought and Elliot will be good.
Malens body language was poor and Guessand gets a pass , hes raw but made good runs which Cash never played him in except once.
Bogarde MOM
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Malen's the answer!
Malen's shit!
Play Guessand!
Sell Guessand!
I'm not saying any particular player is good or bad or whatever. What I'm saying is, you can't judge anyone properly at the minute when we're so clearly in the bin as a collective.
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I honestly wouldn't play Cash again. He represents everything wrong with us. A timid,limited poser who would look more at home in the championship.
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Dross, utter fucking dross.
McGinn and Konsa aside the rest of them were embarrassing. Emery has been rumbled by opposing managers and appears to be losing the dressing room. Not a good combination.
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I wonder if Rogers shit out of taking a pen.
Would have taken the last probably but we don't know now.
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Malen and Guessand won't be the answer to our current problems. Especially Malen, the desire is not there. Guessand tries but looks a level below in basic ability.
We need Rogers and Watkins to come good and Elliot and Sancho to hit the ground running. Kamara and Onana to stay fit too. If the majority of that doesn't happen we are in trouble.
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Surprised our set piece specialist missed his penalty.
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Im an outlier here, whilst it wasn’t great and its shit to go out, I think there were some green shoots. I thought defensively we looked fairly sound and Konsa in particular was largely very good. I think Bogarde had a good game as did McGinn apart from the pen. I also thought Rogers looked lively for the first time in ages when he came on. I think Elliot and Sancho will add something, especially if Sancho and Maatsen can build an understanding.
Downside Guessand looks way off it at the moment and Malen doesnt look good enough with no where near the effort required.
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We played better and scored. To be honest we hit the post and could have had a pen or two and I think were comfortably the better team. For short periods we looked quite handy.
Still not great - but I think Elliot and Sancho looked sharp. Think McGinn and Bogarde grew into the game. Guessard looks very raw - but then so did Rogers when we first signed him. It would be great if he adapted quickly.
Unai will sort it
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I went for 0-0 and out on pens so this was actually great. Bringing out the champers.
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I thought Cash was ok again to be honest but like a few have said, he really really shouldn't be on corner duty.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Who's Pinocchio?
It's probably a reference to lies and someone who pretends to be a Villa fan, but is actually an ex-con Bluenose whose life took a turn for the worse when he got his 12-year-old sister pregnant.
Was wondering this myself.Which poster are they referring to?
Im still in shock that we lost this. Im probably expe ting too much but really did think the players would want to bounce back after the shit several weeks. Im fucking gutted that is another lame run in the cup 😔
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Better in possession.
I'd start Elliott over Rogers on that showing.
And that's about it.
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Malen's the answer!
Malen's shit!
Play Guessand!
Sell Guessand!
I'm not saying any particular player is good or bad or whatever. What I'm saying is, you can't judge anyone properly at the minute when we're so clearly in the bin as a collective.
I will add to this that having a go at Cash, or Bizot, or Sancho, or Watkins, or Rogers, or whoever else you need to think about hating in order to give your AI waifu a rock hard time, is a waste of effort.
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
I do feel like we wouldn't lose much from banning this astonishingly obvious troll.
I don't know why this ****** is allowed to post tbh.
Why isn't he being binned?
Its obvious he isn't a Villa fan.
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If we had won on pens, I think people would be a lot more positive and as shoot-outs are a bit of a lottery I think there's a lot more pluses to take from the game than the league match here a couple of weeks ago.
Rogers looked more dangerous in 20 minutes than he has done all season.
Minutes in the legs for Sancho and Elliott who both looked lively in patches.
Guessand is going to need a lot of time but these are the games where he will learn.
I hope we smash these cvnts at Villa Park because they've been fortunate in both wins over us. A route-one goal and then camping in their own half in the league game and then tonight, the sliding doors moment is us hitting the post at 1-0 and Hickey scoring a wonder goal - his first in 3 years and probably last one for another 3.
Small steps forward. 1-1 at full-time and trying to win it at the death.
Our schedule is pretty stacked now with the Europa League. Going out of this gives us a rare free midweek between league games against Citeh and Liverpool either side of Halloween when the next round of the Carabao takes place.
But boy could we do with beating another candystriped team away this weekend. Sunderland is going to be tough but we have to show-up and deliver the goods now.
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Something is wrong something is going on off the field, it’s more than just tactics or bad form no matter who plays it’s the same turgid performance
It’s a bad thing that’s happened
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We looked pretty crap against a team made up primarily of their b and c tier players. All our starting outfield players are supposed first team level.
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An improvement on matches, played to date, but it's a very low par. Konsa looked class, McGinn, shame about the pen, but played well and also Rogers looked good, when he came on, why didn't he take a pen?
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We only took four. We might never know if he was due to take one.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
He should have replaced a long time ago, the quality of the rest of the team covered his weakness, now it stands out like a beacon.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
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I thought Cash was fine today, penalty aside. And even then, it was more "good save" than "bad miss". He always gives his all and I never dislike any Villa player who does that.
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Im an outlier here, whilst it wasn’t great and its shit to go out, I think there were some green shoots. I thought defensively we looked fairly sound and Konsa in particular was largely very good. I think Bogarde had a good game as did McGinn apart from the pen. I also thought Rogers looked lively for the first time in ages when he came on. I think Elliot and Sancho will add something, especially if Sancho and Maatsen can build an understanding.
Downside Guessand looks way off it at the moment and Malen doesnt look good enough with no where near the effort required.
Im with RamboandBruno - I feel better after that game then before despite being massively disapointed and Im glass half empty at the best of times. I'll give Guessand and Malen a pass - as the first is new and we have seen better from the second. We cant buy a win at the second - but thats the way sometimes. Wegner, Ferguson etc all had periods like that. Im sure well sort it.
I also thought Cash was fine. He's limited but does ok.
My biggest frustration is our set pieces they seem to have gone to shite. Does McPhee even get up for them anymore
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
She just said she avoids the match threads
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
Based on tonight terrible additions.
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No positives to be taken from that.
Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
You're starting to "dislike" one of our players? FFS. I know it's a bit shit atm but Cash is the one that you call out?
Yes, I’m starting to dislike him.
He has let us down more than any other player recently and the quality of his ‘attacking’ play is fucking rubbish.
More than *any* player recently!?? Dear Lord. (I remember now why I avoid the match threads)
This is ‘post match’.
🙄
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Being a ****** is so easy for you.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
I think we all know the answer
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Better side, looked to carry more threat, particularly in the second half; Sancho, Cash and Rogers should all score. Nice to look at bit more lively than we have done all season.
Sancho positioning I think at times blended too much with the lines Maatsen wanted to pick. Some rustiness there. Guessand needed to be a bit more direct at times, although he was usually surrounded. The one time he did break clear he put the ball across for Sancho.
Defensively sound, save for the midfield not reacting to the Stoke impression. Good finish from Hickey, but he tries it 999 times again and he's more likely to pick Turkish Airlines going overhead.
Meh with penalties. Wasn't hugely fussed going to the game, desperately wanted a bit more attacking threat and we got that.
Rogers shoulders, the pair of them, are strapped with a tonne of kinesiology tape.
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Cash has become a player I am starting to dislike.
If he put as much energy in playing forward passes as he does hoiking the leg of his fucking shorts up, he’d be a world beater.
The problem is that he’s still our starting right back and that fault lies elsewhere.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 7, won 7.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
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We only took four. We might never know if he was due to take one.
Maatsen appeared to be the other one in the group who UE was talking to at the final whistle, all the others took pens.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Agreed
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I’m not impressed by Sancho or Guessand
. Hope they are bedding in, rather than just shite.
Based on tonight terrible additions.
At least Sancho looked like he has a good touch,and can hold on to the ball. Guessard's touch was awful all game
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Agreed
I agree too.
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Thought it was a big improvement. We scored and created chances to add a second despite rustiness from Sancho/Elliot, and Guessand not quite being up to speed.
Rarely looked troubled at the back. Pleased to see Kamara getting on for some minutes.
Bizot never looked like getting anywhere near the penalties. Penalty from Cash was good save rather than poor miss.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 6, won 6.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
Really l? Corking stat, our kid.
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Pinnochio's boast that he wants to win a trophy here coming good again.
Is there really any need for that if you are actually a Villa fan?
Well he very clearly is a SHA troll. Why is he allowed to carry on winding Villa fans up with impunity. Other wind up merchants from other clubs get banned.
Going on a long time too
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I’m disappointed but not too down hearted. We now need to put everything into winning the Europa, that and the league are our priority.
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FA Cup for me.
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Penalty shootout record vs teams not from London: played 6, won 6.
Penalty shootout record vs teams from London: played 4, lost 4*.
* one subsequently annulled.
Really l? Corking stat, our kid.
No, actually I missed one. It's played seven, won seven against non-London opponents.
Won: Colchester (h), Tranmere (h), Inter (h), Bolton (Wembley), Sunderland (a), West Brom (a), Lille (a)
Lost: Wimbledon (a), West Ham (a) - annulled, Chelsea (a), Brentford (a).
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Dicked by Brentford twice to start the season. Fuck sake. A side that put out its reserves tonight, that have lost pretty much all their best players and manager. Have a bloke you’d find working in Aldi as manager. Fucking miserable. The summer and start to this season literally could not have been much worse. In fact from the cup SF on has been a nightmare.
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I am starting to get worried mind.
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Better for me. Squeezed in a goal but apart from that, positives were Maatsen and Sancho on left.
Konsa and McGinn very good. Rogers showed a bit of quality too. Negatives, Malen and Guessand were appalling really. More worried about Malen, thought we should have moved him on in the summer. Ollie's cameo was brutal too.
Bizot 5 - not much to do but flapped at one cross
Cash 7 - solid game, some nice deliveries too and probably should have got the winner
Konsa 8 - classy performance really, took a few risks on the ball and a couple of solid blocks
Torres 7 - slow enough start but confidence with the ball definitely improved in second
Maatsen 7 - big improvement on our displays at left back so far, got stuck in and combined well with Sancho.
Bogarde 6 - tired in second half but solid in first. Happy enough with him.
McGinn 8 - very good throughout, turnover forced the goal
Guessand 3 - ball was not his friend, let's just hope some settling in nerves but very poor
Elliot 6 - some nice touches and movement at times, fortunate enough goal. Going to have to get fitter/stronger though
Sancho 7 - good debut. Probably should have scored that one but some promising signs with Maatsen on left. Touch is very sharp and that helps retain possession
Malen 2 - back to goal play appalling really, not sure what else to say.
Subs Ollie was a passenger, Rogers finally showed something with a few nice turns with the ball and a decent shot on target. Others were ok.
Emery 7 - solid team and shape. No issue with team selection or subs. Will be happy with the left side.
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Just written a long, measured post that has disappeared among a flurry of weird adverts. Fuck it I’m off to bed.
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@brontebilly, I agree with quite a lot, but I’d be much harsher on Maatsen and Sancho.
Malen was poor but was a welterweight competing against heavyweights for our long hoofed clearances. Guessand has shades of Zaniolo about him - skilful but struggling with physical side, and I have no idea of what type of player either of them are.
PS fans were excellent, non stop singing for first 20, then slowly had energy sucked out, reflecting the team. Still good vocal encouragement for the second half and stuck with the team
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I honestly wouldn't play Cash again. He represents everything wrong with us. A timid,limited poser who would look more at home in the championship.
Yet he defended solidly yet again tonight, puts Guessand through for the one Sancho hit off the post. Comes closest to getting us the winner too.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight. Contrast our disastrous start to the season, getting booted from the CC by Brentford to the CL kicking off tonight. That was us last year. All the glitz and glamour that we earned to now having to accept where we are.
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Nothing wrong with Cash last night. He was solid enough and had an effort on target well saved. I would look at the bigger picture and have an observation of what was in front of him on the right.......zero support, no movement, nothing.
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Fuck I’m glum tonight.
We could have lost 6-0 tonight and I’d still be happy.
My youngest scored three goals in training tonight, in only his second session back since he got run over by a Land Rover Defender two weeks before the schools broke up for summer.
I’m aware that this won’t help everyone feel better, but it worked for me.