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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2025, 09:43:54 PM
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Another easy win. It's what we do.
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Superb second half. Really clinical.
Also good to show that the defence is really not about one player or another being in. It’s wider system strength.
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Fucking banging.
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Great stuff, I predicted a fine run in and so far so good. It helps having so many options.
Ref and VAR all over the fucking place.
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Get in!!!!!!
Bournemouth lost too.
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Lovely stuff. Pleased for Malen.
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Great result, excellent game management and superb individual performances.
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We are fucking flying.
Won our last three 3-0.
Come on.
This is starting to feel like the end of 2018/19.
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Excellent result.
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The goal difference revival starts here!
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Our poor January transfer window coming back to bite us. :(
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6 wins in a row, 4 of them away, 15 scored, 1 conceded.....Emery looks to have timed this season to perfection.
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Very solid win in the end, this for me was going to be the difficult one, if we can go to Brighton and get a 3-0 win, lets put Forest to the sword at home at the weekend, give us a good confident run up to PSG.
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Goals for the newcomers and a clean sheet away from home - well done boys.
"A real smash and grab.. Villa had to soak up a lot of pressure. Brighton will feel hard done." Oh, fuck off with the commentators.
No one likes seagulls, UTV.
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Brilliant 2nd half again. Forest should be a cracker
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Some win that. Great to see Malen get off the mark for us.
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I thought that was a cracking performance. Brighton created very little, and we were clinical. A clean sheet and three goals (should have been four, but for the crap officials) away from home. You can't ask for any more than that.
We're coming into form at just the right stage of the season, and finally have a mostly fit squad.
Exciting times!
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Big result. Well in, Villa.
So chuffed for Malen. Deserves a break. Clearly has ability and hope he settles here despite a challenging start.
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I know we all have our views on team selection and positioning.
But please can we just accept we don’t have much of a clue compared to SUE?
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Not a great performance but the January signings nicely stepped up in the month we need them to and we were ultra clinical.
What is more important as we're getting the knack of keeping clean sheets and resilience as we need that to have any chance of success in at least one of the competitions we remain.
Think we can win our next two and the table looks good again and we can afford to drop points against Newcastle and Man. City before the final four games.
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Superb win. Clinical second half and so much strength in depth to change the game.
The less said about Ref/VAR the better, absolute clowns.
Also that goal difference is improving.
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6 wins in a row, 4 of them away, 15 scored, 1 conceded.....Emery looks to have timed this season to perfection.
Fantastic stats
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The perfect away performance, wow we have some real quality and depth in the squad after the January window.
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Brilliant away performance - the quality of finish in those 3 goals is something we havent had in a long time.
We defended well - cash struggled against a very good player - but other than that we rarely looked under pressure.
Good to see Pau and Onana back. Maybe, just maybe, were hitting some form at the right moment
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2 great things off the top of my head:
1/ The return of the clean sheet - but more particularly, the Premier League clean sheet. Awesome to see. Kamara and Torres are a real plus.
2/ All 3 goals scored by January signings. If we keep Rashford and Asensio, I’m actually not worried if we lose Watkins in the summer. 3 very good finishes. We really did have a great January window.
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Pretty damn good. Kamara motm once again. I also thought Digne was superb--he appears to be taking his game to the next level in recent performances.
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Who sponsored that ref: Specsavers?
Get TF in, anyway!
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Excellent result and a good performance.
I thought we looked very similar to Forest.
Soaked up a lot of pressure, conceded a lot of ground, but deadly on the break
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Goals for the newcomers and a clean sheet away from home - well done boys.
"A real smash and grab.. Villa had to soak up a lot of pressure. Brighton will feel hard done." Oh, fuck off with the commentators.
No one likes seagulls, UTV.
If it's Manchester United, it's a great performance
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As usual Brighton moaning we got lucky with the ref. are they kidding?
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what a magnificent result. So many good things about the performance and individuals. I'm going to watch it again without my arse clenched later so I can appreciate it more. Just a shame Forest, Newcastle and Man City all won as those are the clubs, certainly the latter two that we are after for 4th or 5th.
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Kamara, McGinn both tremendous and the rest did quite well.
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what a magnificent result. So many good things about the performance and individuals. I'm going to watch it again without my arse clenched later so I can appreciate it more. Just a shame Forest, Newcastle and Man City all won as those are the clubs, certainly the latter two that we are after for 4th or 5th.
Especially with the luck Newcastle had for their winner.
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Brighton's first league defeat since they were beaten 7-0 by Forest over two months ago and only their third since mid-December.
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So pleased for Malen.
He's just kept his head down and grafted since joining us.
Thoroughly deserved.
Those January signings are coming up trumps.
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I’m hoping 6th is enough with Man City being docked points.
Ahhh who am I kidding?
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So pleased for all of them. Two great assists for Morgz. Marco is just a phenom.
Just all of them did great.
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Performance very hit and miss, but you can’t knock a 3-0 win against one of our main rivals.
Another clean sheet too!
Same again on Saturday please Villa!
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Excellent result. Contained them first half then a superb second half display put them away and a clean sheet to boot.
Another MOTM for Kamara who was imperious.
Nice to see Malen come on and score too. Very pleased for him.
Bring on Forest who I think will be tough one but fuck it, we're Aston Villa.
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Excellent result. Contained them first half then a superb second half display put them away and a clean sheet to boot.
Another MOTM for Kamara who was imperious.
Nice to see Malen come on and score too. Very pleased for him.
Bring on Forest who I think will be tough one but fuck it, we're Aston Villa.
And we’re at home.
That 5-5 is still etched in my mind though.
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That second half was extremely professional and very clinical. Superb from the boss and squad.
All three January signings with the goals. Surely that’s some credit in the bank for Monchi?
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Glad we won that bearing in mind we got shafted with that nonsense penalty decision. Great win, just a shame the Jawdie's and Man City won.
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what a magnificent result. So many good things about the performance and individuals. I'm going to watch it again without my arse clenched later so I can appreciate it more. Just a shame Forest, Newcastle and Man City all won as those are the clubs, certainly the latter two that we are after for 4th or 5th.
Especially with the luck Newcastle had for their winner.
Confident about Forest, Newcastle we need to beat and well, Man City ????.
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Awful… Brighton, fucking little Brighton, out possessioned us. Wake up Emery!!!!
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Another one!
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If Carlsberg did Jan transfer windows:
(https://i.ibb.co/wZh8gqRB/IMG-4393.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wZh8gqRB)
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what a magnificent result. So many good things about the performance and individuals. I'm going to watch it again without my arse clenched later so I can appreciate it more. Just a shame Forest, Newcastle and Man City all won as those are the clubs, certainly the latter two that we are after for 4th or 5th.
I think we need to overcome Chelsea and Newcastle realistically to get 5th and see where that takes us.
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Not a great performance but the January signings nicely stepped up in the month we need them to and we were ultra clinical.
What is more important as we're getting the knack of keeping clean sheets and resilience as we need that to have any chance of success in at least one of the competitions we remain.
Think we can win our next two and the table looks good again and we can afford to drop points against Newcastle and Man. City before the final four games.
Is that the same Newcastle that is 2pts ahead of us with a game in hand (And has a not too bad run in)
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If Carlsberg did Jan transfer windows:
(https://i.ibb.co/wZh8gqRB/IMG-4393.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wZh8gqRB)
Panic Buys. Wake Up!
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Some team.
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Strange game really. Not at our best again but once we got the second we saw it out really well. Options off bench are huge at this stage of the season. Emery's big decision to start Rashford up top was justified with the goal. There was an inevitability that we would get the job done in the second half once we went ahead. I guess last two seasons we finished very strong under Emery and look set for another run at it again. Brighton did play well for a lot of the game but ran out of ideas a long way before the end.
Martinez 6 - very fortunate to get away with two clangers, distribution was good though
Cash 6 - went asleep for that chance in first half in first half, did well to get back mind. Distribution mixed as ever but his ball down the line was key to the second goal
Konsa 6 - poor first half. improved in second once Joao Pedro went off. Struggled with their press
Torres 6 - bailed out Konsa early on. Distribution a bit suspect at times but maybe to be expected. 100+ minutes under his belt and a clean sheet.
Digne 8 - just thought he was really solid on a night when many were a bit off. Some transformation from his struggles under Gerrard
Kamara 7 - struggled with their press in the first half but improved as the game went on and a very solid second half
Tielemans 5 - bit of an off night, struggled with their intensity in midfield and no surprise was replaced early
Rogers 4 - out of position again on the right, didnt help Cash all that much, assist tab keeps increasing though
Ramsey 6 - bit of a surprising sub I thought. Not great by any stretch but excellent footwork for what should have been a penalty first half.
McGinn 7 - struggled in that 10 role, not sure of Emery's logic there with the positioning of McGinn/Rogers - but transformed back on left for last 30 mins or so where he utterly bullied their right back
Rashford 7 - outstanding footwork for his chance in first half but poor finish, not the cleanest finish ever for his goal but up and running now for us
Watkins worked very hard I thought when he came in, Asensio's goal was just elite really as was Malen's at the end. Onana and Disasi did ok too.
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Win more important than the performance. Clean sheet is brilliant. Officials dodgy once again.
My only annoyance is the number of our players that flop pleading with the ref for a freekick that never comes. You're no use to the team on the ground, so stay on your feet and help defend - yes Matty I'm looking at you (and a few others).
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If Carlsberg did Jan transfer windows:
(https://i.ibb.co/wZh8gqRB/IMG-4393.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wZh8gqRB)
Panic Buys. Wake Up!
If we had any ambition we'd have got Borja Bastón back.
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Rarely troubled, but could have been very different if that handball hadn't been given, yes, we should have had a penalty but that was gone by then. Really happy for Malen, he's had to be patient with the little game time he's had so far and you could see how keen he was for a goal and how much it meant for him after the game. Boubakamara the calmest man in town, as usual. McGinn ran himself into the ground, along with Digne. Watkins looks all at sea, the only real concern for me in this run in, his thought process looks all to shit, sad times.
A performance that harks back to last season where we built upon defensive solidity and used the pace and ability of our incredibly versatile attacking players to nail a win. Gives me a lot of confidence for the upcoming matches.
Oh, and Rogers got 2 assists...and Asensio scored...and "he's shit for United, but he's brill for the Villa" got one as well...and a clean sheet...fuck, what a great game!
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Outstanding performance against a team, who have been in top form in the league, bring on the Forest.
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what a magnificent result. So many good things about the performance and individuals. I'm going to watch it again without my arse clenched later so I can appreciate it more. Just a shame Forest, Newcastle and Man City all won as those are the clubs, certainly the latter two that we are after for 4th or 5th.
Especially with the luck Newcastle had for their winner.
With the squad we have now, no reason we can't win all 3, especially with 2 at home. In years gone by UTD and City away would be 0 points...not anymore UTV
Confident about Forest, Newcastle we need to beat and well, Man City ????.
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And then I gave nearly everyone a 6
(https://preview.redd.it/vgvjqhyaorn71.jpg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3349536d58ccfa696aed034871eee4dc370f9c95)
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
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Not a great performance but the January signings nicely stepped up in the month we need them to and we were ultra clinical.
What is more important as we're getting the knack of keeping clean sheets and resilience as we need that to have any chance of success in at least one of the competitions we remain.
Think we can win our next two and the table looks good again and we can afford to drop points against Newcastle and Man. City before the final four games.
Is that the same Newcastle that is 2pts ahead of us with a game in hand (And has a not too bad run in)
The game in hand is against Palace who could do it against Newcastle as much as get beaten. I suppose it depends on how much they are looking at the SF.
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Really pleased for Rashford.
He’s spent his whole life at Man Utd in the spotlight. Lots of ups and then downs and been the focus of so much media. For a bloke in his 20’s, i know I’d have flapped having that to deal with, regardless of salary.
Great to see him on fire with us at the moment.
A great win. Emery has nailed this last few games. Let’s go win on the weekend then challenged PSG midweek.
UTFV
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
Head shakeable more like!
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Great result. Superb 2nd half performance.
Thought Onana was superb when he came on.
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Brilliant result. Looking good just now.
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
Head shakeable more like!
Does anybody read them anymore?
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Villa were amazing. Brighton huffed and puffed. And the ref and officials were chocolate teapots.
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
Head shakeable more like!
Does anybody read them anymore?
Or care?
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
Haha, he’s the H&V very own Revel Horwood
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Magnificent Magnificent Magnificent.
Thoroughly enjoyed that match. My word have we got some attacking talent that must be the envy of the league.
Every player contributed to that 3-0 win. They all get 10/10.
My hat is off to SUE because I’m going to skip to work in the morning, large meeting with a nose, dingle, ploper and the obligatory pair of manures in Brum.
Before the match I thought it’d be a tight affair but the result means so much to the Villa nation. I expect us to beat Forest.
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We need Newcastle to arrive at VP within touching distance and to beat them. Then it’s just a sprint to the finishing line from there. Not sure the quality of opponents is all that important, it will be who wants it most, who is fittest.
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TBH, if people should know by now that Brontes is over critical of everything and they should just go with their own judgement rather then look at what he states.
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
Head shakeable more like!
Does anybody read them anymore?
Or care?
It's like reading your horoscope in the paper
You read it
You laugh
You think "what a load of cr**"
And you move on
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Really pleased. Not oft I am confident before an away match v a good team but saw us in recent weeks and saw them and saw us better.
Saturday - yeah Saturday is a different challenge. For us. And Them.
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
Best to ignore.
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Oh and that non penalty decision was either corrupt at worst, incompetent at best. Disgraceful!
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With Barkley and Bailey probably available very soon this has to be one of the best squads we've ever had with so many options now.
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Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?
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As usual Brighton moaning we got lucky with the ref. are they kidding?
I'd love one of the xG stat kids to do a dissertation on why we have such a good record home and away v Brighton and dismal one against Palace as there isn't a huge difference between them.
Mentality plays so much of a part in football.
As for the decisions the first big one tonight was for us and it went against us. If that penalty gets given as it should then the first handball dosen't happen.
The Mitoma one was 50/50 as I don't know what part of the arm is the threshold for handball and it certainly hit his upper part. Possibly the second could've been chalked off aswell as Wieffer would've got a block in but guess the contact was judged accidental.
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Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?
He barely touched the ball for an hour and I think we can see him on the right can't really be any sort of long term option if we want him to continually improve so that is for Unai to work out in pre season if we get Asensio back next year.
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Really pleased. Not oft I am confident before an away match v a good team but saw us in recent weeks and saw them and saw us better.
Saturday - yeah Saturday is a different challenge. For us. And Them.
I mentioned pre-match that I was surprised on Suttons prediction of 2-1 to them because "we are open and will allow Brighton to play". I was sure it would be the other way around as we have players who can take chances and Brighton are open AND slow at the back. Granted I wasn't sure we would have a clean sheet with Torres instead of Mings but fair play for that bonus.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/brighton-vs-aston-villa/report/506099
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As usual Brighton moaning we got lucky with the ref. are they kidding?
I'd love one of the xG stat kids to do a dissertation on why we have such a good record home and away v Brighton and dismal one against Palace as there isn't a huge difference between them.
I would state Brighton nominally play with possession and try to break the other team down with crisp passing, whilst Palace are doing what we did against Brighton and play defensively and hit on the break with pace with long passes.
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The strength in depth is embarrassingly good. Great time for o go on a roll. Wonderful win. Clean sheet is also really pleasing.
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Glad it didn’t matter but watching our non-pen back. That was an astonishingly bad decision.
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Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?
First - is a bit of a hopeful punt really. Second - Cash is the one that really makes that goal, even the pass to Asensio was bobbling all over the place. Credit to the kid, the stats at the end of the season wont lie but not sure he has ever played well for us in that position.
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Needs to be said
https://www.facebook.com/reel/530656153099310
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Glad it didn’t matter but watching our non-pen back. That was an astonishingly bad decision.
Attwell.
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Hopeful punt = perfect ball over the top for Rashford. Ahead of the defenders but not close enough for the keeper to come out for. Rashford touches it once (barely) and clips it in.
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Reckon we should be 2nd on MOTD, after the Merseyside derby.
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Totally forgot MOTD was on.
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Efficient, professional,devastating. Onwards and upwards!!!
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If we beat Forest then Newcastle at 5:30 on a Saturday with people beered up is going to be a crackling atmosphere.
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First - is a bit of a hopeful punt really. Second - Cash is the one that really makes that goal, even the pass to Asensio was bobbling all over the place. Credit to the kid, the stats at the end of the season wont lie but not sure he has ever played well for us in that position.
You’re either on the wind up or you’ve never played football before, if you think that was a “hopeful punt”.
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If we beat Forest then Newcastle at 5:30 on a Saturday with people beered up is going to be a crackling atmosphere.
We've got to beat Southampton first!!!
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Proud, just so fecking proud.
Tis like having the best golfer, with more clubs in his bag than anyone else, coming to the last 9 holes in the Masters.
Well done Unai and company.
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Second game on MOTD
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Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?
First - is a bit of a hopeful punt really. Second - Cash is the one that really makes that goal, even the pass to Asensio was bobbling all over the place. Credit to the kid, the stats at the end of the season wont lie but not sure he has ever played well for us in that position.
Not having hopeful punt at all.Outrageous .
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Even if their "goal" hadn't been disallowed, I still reckon we'd have won comfortably. Brighton were exhausted late on and we had all our lovely fresh subs on.
Honestly, our bench is ridiculously strong.
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We have the best squad in our history.
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For all Brighton's possession they created very little. I thought we looked comfortable all match & were clinical when the chances came .
Outrageous decision from VAR not to look at the penalty, which will get lost in all the fuss about Tarkowski's challenge.
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First - is a bit of a hopeful punt really. Second - Cash is the one that really makes that goal, even the pass to Asensio was bobbling all over the place. Credit to the kid, the stats at the end of the season wont lie but not sure he has ever played well for us in that position.
You’re either on the wind up or you’ve never played football before, if you think that was a “hopeful punt”.
Possibly because bronte has played football before and isn't any good it seemed like it was a hopeful punt!
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Fantastic win. 3 superb goals too.
On to the next cup final .
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Hopeful punt!!! Greatest comedian on this site
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For all Brighton's possession they created very little. I thought we looked comfortable all match & were clinical when the chances came .
Outrageous decision from VAR not to look at the penalty, which will get lost in all the fuss about Tarkowski's challenge.
It was a definite pen.
Traky should have walked but YNWA goal was offisde. Pundits - seen em given or not.
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Our defence has been so improved. And tonight we did it without Mings. But after that horror show at Palace we’ve won 6 straight, scored 15 but critically conceded just once. That’s a remarkable turnaround. We’ve all said it or thought it across the season that had our defence just been average we’d be many points better off. To be 7th with a -1 GD when everyone above us and 6 of 7 sides below us have a positive GD (many double digit) is a bizarre and incredible stat.
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We've won seven straight. Five clean sheets and two goals conceded in said games.
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Ah no, hang on. One of them is the friendly against Alan. 😀
One goal conceded in six games then, not too shabby.
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Glad it didn’t matter but watching our non-pen back. That was an astonishingly bad decision.
Attwell.
Yep and he was poohing-poohing that before the game!
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
My uncle watched the game (I didn't) and he also felt Rogers had a very poor game. He thought Digne, Kamara and Onana (when he came on) were our best players but, whilst it was a good result, he wasn't that impressed with the performance. He also mentioned that João Pedro gave Konsa a torrid time for 20-30 mins.
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
My uncle watched the game (I didn't) and he also felt Rogers had a very poor game. He thought Digne, Kamara and Onana (when he came on) were our best players but, whilst it was a good result, he wasn't that impressed with the performance. He also mentioned that João Pedro gave Konsa a torrid time for 20-30 mins.
Contrary f*cker too no doubt, get him to post up a few ratings! Konsa couldn't cope with JP at all, skinned him in the first play nearly and had him in a lot bother until he limped off. JP is a fine forward, Ferguson hasn't a hope of getting in there ahead of him.
Onana took a while to get going I thought but definitely added a bit of presence in midfield where Tielemans struggled.
But sure we won 0-3, 9s all round
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
He’s someone I always ignore. If he was on VT he’d have been long gone for “posting for a response”!
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Rogers gets a 3 for the first half and a 7 for the 2nd. I’m good at maths so thats a 5 overall. He’s wasted out wide in truth.
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Fantastic win. 3 superb goals too.
On to the next cup final .
Oh yeah. Brilliant as tonight was, it will mean little if we don't beat Notts Forest. Not sure my nerves can take it but I think I'll sleep well tonight.
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How does Rogers get a 4 with 2 assists @Bronte?
My uncle watched the game (I didn't) and he also felt Rogers had a very poor game. He thought Digne, Kamara and Onana (when he came on) were our best players but, whilst it was a good result, he wasn't that impressed with the performance. He also mentioned that João Pedro gave Konsa a torrid time for 20-30 mins.
Ferguson hasn't a hope of getting in there ahead
He definitely hasn’t a hope now he’s at Wham!
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
Head shakeable more like!
Does anybody read them anymore?
Or care?
Clearly, you're all reacting to it!
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For all Brighton's possession they created very little. I thought we looked comfortable all match & were clinical when the chances came .
Outrageous decision from VAR not to look at the penalty, which will get lost in all the fuss about Tarkowski's challenge.
It was a definite pen.
Traky should have walked but YNWA goal was offisde. Pundits - seen em given or not.
Traky? Come on, don't talk like you're a Toffee.
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We've won seven straight. Five clean sheets and two goals conceded in said games.
Are you sure? I've seen it reported as six.
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Yes 6 with one goal conceded. CD blanked the Palace game.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
And he was onside even in our half.
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Textbook away performance. Stay in the game, absorb the early pressure then hit them on the counter before going on to win comfortably.
Really well taken goals and very strong team performance. I thought Kamara was absolutely outstanding.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
And he was onside even in our half.
Exactly. Rashford is 5 yards inside his own half when Rogers plays the ball!
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Rogers 4? Laughable.
“Notice me.”
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We need Newcastle to arrive at VP within touching distance and to beat them. Then it’s just a sprint to the finishing line from there. Not sure the quality of opponents is all that important, it will be who wants it most, who is fittest.
The last three words could well be our key to success this season.
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For all Brighton's possession they created very little. I thought we looked comfortable all match & were clinical when the chances came .
Outrageous decision from VAR not to look at the penalty, which will get lost in all the fuss about Tarkowski's challenge.
It was a definite pen.
Traky should have walked but YNWA goal was offisde. Pundits - seen em given or not.
Tarkowski practiced that tackle on Diaby last season at Goodison, and it wasn’t even considered a foul, never mind a yellow card. 2 minutes in:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8RkHhOnEHtM&pp=ygUXRXZlcnRvbiAwIGFzdG9uIHZpbGxhIDA%3D
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
Ollie very rarely celebrates when someone else scores. Probably some selfish striker nonsense.
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Ollie get out of the way for the Asensio goal was a good effort.
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Ollie get out of the way for the Asensio goal was a good effort.
It should go down as an assist :)
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Great away win and a great away day.
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Rogers gets a 3 for the first half and a 7 for the 2nd. I’m good at maths so thats a 5 overall. He’s wasted out wide in truth.
So Rogers gets a 3 in the first half 7 in the second? 3+7=10 So overall 10/10. That's slightly generous but I like the cut of your jib. Winky thing
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Great result and a thoroughly professional performance. The fact that our 3 goals came from the January recruitments is testament to our brilliant scouting staff. Take a bow Mr Monchi and Co. And obviously Unai for the way he's using them to maximise our chances.
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Ollie get out of the way for the Asensio goal was a good effort.
It really was.
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Even though it was a really enjoyable game for us there's a couple of things that really niggled me. Firstly that was a blatant a penalty for the foul on Ramsey. They (var) analysed it to the nth degree to see whether the Brighton player got the merest hint of a glance on the ball and decided he did so refused the penalty. Just because you might glance the ball that doesn't negate the foul. He took his ankles away. Their disallowed goal. Early on in the analysis there was a clear image of the Brighton player using his forearm to control the ball so why did they go on to look at images from every fucking angle available. The first image was conclusive and should of took mere seconds to disallow the "goal" Finally the added time. 1 minute in the first half which is pretty rare but 10 minutes in the second half. What the actual fuck? I thought we were a little lucky not to concede a pen when the ball struck Ramseys arm when it came back off the post. He had time to move his arm imo. Just all round piss poor officiating.
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Even though it was a really enjoyable game for us there's a couple of things that really niggled me. Firstly that was a blatant a penalty for the foul on Ramsey. They (var) analysed it to the nth degree to see whether the Brighton player got the merest hint of a glance on the ball and decided he did so refused the penalty. Just because you might glance the ball that doesn't negate the foul. He took his ankles away. Their disallowed goal. Early on in the analysis there was a clear image of the Brighton player using his forearm to control the ball so why did they go on to look at images from every fucking angle available. The first image was conclusive and should of took mere seconds to disallow the "goal" Finally the added time. 1 minute in the first half which is pretty rare bit the 10 fucking minutes in the second half? What the actual fuck? I thought we were a little lucky not to concede a pen when the ball struck Ramseys arm when it came back off the post. He had time to move his arm imo. Just all round piss poor officiating.
This is the thing for me, plural.
It wasn't slightly grazing a boot followed by swan lake, he clacked both his legs at the same time, the fouliest of fouls.
Gormless twats.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
And he was onside even in our half.
Yes, sorry, I meant their attacking half/our defensive half.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
And he was onside even in our half.
Yes, sorry, I meant their attacking half/our defensive half.
But I think what Rory is saying is that there was a defender playing him on, even though it was in our half.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
I saw him cheer when he was still lying on the ground - smile, and both arms up!
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
And he was onside even in our half.
Yes, sorry, I meant their attacking half/our defensive half.
But I think what Rory is saying is that there was a defender playing him on, even though it was in our half.
Sorry, yes, should've been clearer. Thanks Olney.
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I loved how the Brighton keeper and their defender waved for offside when Rashford scored. He clearly made his run in their half of the pitch. It's the type of deflection someone does when they've made a clanger as it was shocking defending/goalkeeping.
Also, Ollie deserves credit for staying out of the way of Asensio's goal. Dunno if he still doesn't like celebrating his teammates goals but his body-swerve was for the greater Villa good tonight.
I saw him cheer when he was still lying on the ground - smile, and both arms up!
He initially looked at the lino for a flag as if he was offside, and where he was to the ball, it probably would have been called.
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
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Great ball through for Rashford goal, and as good Dunk can be defensively if you get in behind him he is oil tanker pace .
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Great ball through for Rashford goal, and as good Dunk can be defensively if you get in behind him he is oil tanker pace .
The more I see that Morgan Rogers pass, the more brilliant it is. The same with Cash for the second.
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Great ball through for Rashford goal, and as good Dunk can be defensively if you get in behind him he is oil tanker pace .
The more I see that Morgan Rogers pass, the more brilliant it is. The same with Cash for the second.
Definitely tricky to imagine Konsa or Disasi doing that had they been playing right-back.
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
Same for me and I live in Sussex. Walking around in my claret and blue getting salty looks from the odd person featuring a seagulls logo. More here today than attended the match last night by looks of it. Why oh why do beastly old Aston Villa cheat every time we play them 😂 tbf anyone that beats them have always cheated or not played in the proper spirit of the game lol fuck off 😂
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
Same for me and I live in Sussex. Walking around in my claret and blue getting salty looks from the odd person featuring a seagulls logo. More here today than attended the match last night by looks of it. Why oh why do beastly old Aston Villa cheat every time we play them 😂 tbf anyone that beats them have always cheated or not played in the proper spirit of the game lol fuck off 😂
They were extremely lucky not to have been paying with 10 men for the last hour.
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
Same for me and I live in Sussex. Walking around in my claret and blue getting salty looks from the odd person featuring a seagulls logo. More here today than attended the match last night by looks of it. Why oh why do beastly old Aston Villa cheat every time we play them 😂 tbf anyone that beats them have always cheated or not played in the proper spirit of the game lol fuck off 😂
:D
My 3 Brighton-supporting nephews aren't happy either: they might speak to me at the next family gathering if we beat Crystal Palace at Wembley though: those fans do not like each other!
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Take away last seasons visit there and we really do have the hoodoo over them. When we won 2-1 there in Emerys second game it was all the "dark arts shit" and "if that's how you win then I'd rather lose" bollocks. Clearly when we play them we should just let them win 😂
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
Same for me and I live in Sussex. Walking around in my claret and blue getting salty looks from the odd person featuring a seagulls logo. More here today than attended the match last night by looks of it. Why oh why do beastly old Aston Villa cheat every time we play them 😂 tbf anyone that beats them have always cheated or not played in the proper spirit of the game lol fuck off 😂
:D
My 3 Brighton-supporting nephews aren't happy either: they might speak to me at the next family gathering if we beat Crystal Palace at Wembley though: those fans do not like each other!
The weirdest ‘derby’ nonsense that just proves both sets of fans are v peculiar types.
Only weirder one is the ‘love you…no love you more’ betw Small Heath and Smethwick Nomarks.
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I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.
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I love the rotation. To be able to rest or bring on players after 60 mins is great. The hectic fixture list might not be such a strain after all. Squad depth prob best we've had in my 40 years supporting.
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I hope we sign the Brighton lad who came on as a sub, Cashin.
Purely so we can sub him on for our right back.
That's Cashin, Cash out.
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I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.
what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?
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I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.
what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?
I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".
Edit:
The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.
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Obviously they're all terribly middle-class and reasonable, so maybe it's no surprise but the Brighton forum I read last night was weirdly magnanimous and balanced. In a way I don't think many would be at the end of a 3-0 home defeat in which play and chances were fairly balanced.
I mean, look at this:
Never ever is Mitomas a penalty. He's looking for it and goes down so easily. I love him but that’s not a penalty.
The Ramsey one was a penalty, Hinshelwood clearly catches him. 99 times out of a hundred that’s given.
The Villa handball was wasn’t a handball. It was by his side and he made no move towards the ball.
The Mitoma one is the only really subjective one. It’s a definite handball, it was below the shirt line. Every pundit I have seen says that’s a handball but it feels tough.
We did not lose this game because of referees. If anything we benefited from the biggest mistake they made.
I agreed with most of the penalty decisions. I don’t think Mitoma was pushed - it looked like he lent across the front of the Villa player and then fell over.
Hinshelwood’s one I thought was a penalty, but perhaps one of those that isn’t clear enough to change the on field decision.
Villa defender’s arm was in a natural position and was ball to hand. Although as it travelled a reasonable distance I wondered if we might get it.
Mitoma actively used his arm to control the ball, so handball.
You could make a case for some of the above to be given the other way but none were clear enough to be upset about.
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I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.
what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?
I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".
Edit:
The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.
That's the most ludicrous excuse they could have given.
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I have looked and looked and looked at Jacob Ramsay‘s incredible dive in their penalty area. I mean, for fuck‘s sake what does a person have to do to get a penalty. It was just so blatant a penalty. I’m glad it did not cost us.
what reason was given for not giving it, did the defender get a slight touch on the ball ?
I believe the VAR twitter thing stated "not enough contact".
Edit:
The referee’s call of no penalty to Aston Villa following a challenge by Hinshelwood on Ramsey was checked and confirmed by VAR – with the contact deemed not to reach the threshold for a foul.
they've got that wrong then, there was plenty of contact
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As much as I don't rate Attwell you can't always blame the ref for not giving a pen if he isn't absolutely sure. That's where VAR comes in, it's meant to assist them in getting major decisions right. VAR should have either given the pen or sent him to the screen.
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The decision on Tarkowski was:.
Premier League Match Centre
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#LIVEVE – 11’
The referee’s call of yellow card for a reckless foul by Tarkowski was checked by the VAR, with contact on the follow through after Tarkowski had played the ball deemed to be reckless.
So they decided it was only reckless as well.....
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Brontey
I like your posts, but Rogers 4 !!!!
He had an anonymous 1st half, but did you miss that two of his passes led to two goals ?
Yes but what did he do other than setting up two goals?😂
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The decision on Tarkowski was:.
Premier League Match Centre
@PLMatchCentre
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16h
#LIVEVE – 11’
The referee’s call of yellow card for a reckless foul by Tarkowski was checked by the VAR, with contact on the follow through after Tarkowski had played the ball deemed to be reckless.
So they decided it was only reckless as well.....
It was a terrible decision on it's own, but also in the context that it's exactly the kind of challenge that football has more or less rid itself of in the last 20 years through positve changes, and not punishing that undermines it.
Also, you can count on one hand the players still making tackles like that and the player involved is probably the poster boy. That should be taken into consideration, if you want to stamp something out bloody punish the repeat offenders.
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As much as I don't rate Attwell you can't always blame the ref for not giving a pen if he isn't absolutely sure. That's where VAR comes in, it's meant to assist them in getting major decisions right. VAR should have either given the pen or sent him to the screen.
spot on.
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I'm not sure how the ref missed it he had a perfect view of it
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I'm not sure how the ref missed it he had a perfect view of it
Exactly he bottled the penalty as for me he realised he might have to give a red aswell.
The VAR has to do its job and pull the referee up. Threshold for a foul is just more nonsense giving the refs an out for more bad decisions. That's a blatant foul, anywhere else on pitch and Atwell gives the free kick.
Shame for Ramsey as it's excellent play. Realises his marker has just been booked and under pressure, brilliant footwork to tempt him into a tackle in the box, clear foul.
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yeah this new term "threshold for a foul" just sounds like another massive cop out option to let them justify making it up as they go along
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I think the problem is that it's become a hot potato. Neither the on-field referee nor the VAR seem to want to take responsibility for making a decision, so they end up letting stuff go.
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Although all the complaints about the penalty meant the the commentators "McGinn using his body then" when he arse blocks the defending player from getting anywhere near it during the build up to the penalty has been pretty much overlooked.
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For all Brighton's possession they created very little. I thought we looked comfortable all match & were clinical when the chances came .
Outrageous decision from VAR not to look at the penalty, which will get lost in all the fuss about Tarkowski's challenge.
It was a definite pen.
Traky should have walked but YNWA goal was offisde. Pundits - seen em given or not.
Tarkowski practiced that tackle on Diaby last season at Goodison, and it wasn’t even considered a foul, never mind a yellow card. 2 minutes in:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8RkHhOnEHtM&pp=ygUXRXZlcnRvbiAwIGFzdG9uIHZpbGxhIDA%3D
That jug eared fucker should be in the same club as Ben Mee - disgraceful challenges
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Thought that Cashin bloke who came on for them was absolutely crap.
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I always like to dip into our opponents forums to see their points of view which is usually wildly different from ours as you’d expect but there's usually some reasonable posters unless it's the Arsenal ones which can be insanely biased. Brighton's was not as rabid as some others but jeez they're biased. I couldn't find one that gave us any credit whatsoever. Their opinions of us ranged from crap to lucky to boring. The officials gave us everything and they want Palace, of all clubs, to smash us!! Fucking hell I've seen some sore losers on other clubs forums but the Brighton lot are some of the worst I've seen. We must be doing something right we seem to be gaining more and more haters. Fuck em all.
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Dave put a couple of messages up from sane Brighton fans earlier. All forums are insanely biased, I doubt the reaction would be any different with pretty much any other top flight team.
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Just watched a rerun of the game. Our second goal was superb. I had forgotten just how good it was. An 11 pass move went from our left back position and ended up with Asensio doing what Asensio does . Arriving at the right position at the right moment and driving Rogers pass brilliantly into the bottom corner with pinpoint accuracy. Sublime. It's a great time to be a Villa fan.
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I always like to dip into our opponents forums to see their points of view which is usually wildly different from ours as you’d expect but there's usually some reasonable posters unless it's the Arsenal ones which can be insanely biased. Brighton's was not as rabid as some others but jeez they're biased. I couldn't find one that gave us any credit whatsoever. Their opinions of us ranged from crap to lucky to boring. The officials gave us everything and they want Palace, of all clubs, to smash us!! Fucking hell I've seen some sore losers on other clubs forums but the Brighton lot are some of the worst I've seen. We must be doing something right we seem to be gaining more and more haters. Fuck em all.
They're the same everytime we play them.
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Everyone I met when I lived there supported Chelsea.
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We bought on: a Champions League winner, an England centre forward and a Champion League runner up (it could have been two if we used the customary Maatsen option). Having as talented squad as this will stand us in good stead now that the fixtures are coming thick and fast. What a January window!
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Dave put a couple of messages up from sane Brighton fans earlier. All forums are insanely biased, I doubt the reaction would be any different with pretty much any other top flight team.
I hadn't saw Daves post but it must be from a different forum to the one I read.
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Although all the complaints about the penalty meant the the commentators "McGinn using his body then" when he arse blocks the defending player from getting anywhere near it during the build up to the penalty has been pretty much overlooked.
Because his arse was in a natural position. Just below his back and just above his legs.
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I hope we sign the Brighton lad who came on as a sub, Cashin.
Purely so we can sub him on for our right back.
That's Cashin, Cash out.
Eiran Cashin, what a grand name from the old country. I wonder did he come from Tír na nÓg.
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Just watched a rerun of the game. Our second goal was superb. I had forgotten just how good it was. An 11 pass move went from our left back position and ended up with Asensio doing what Asensio does . Arriving at the right position at the right moment and driving Rogers pass brilliantly into the bottom corner with pinpoint accuracy. Sublime. It's a great time to be a Villa fan.
They have just suffered their heaviest home defeat of the season by far . They will be feeling sore today. Once they have had time to clam down and reflect they will accept how good we were.
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Eiran Cashin, what a grand name from the old country. I wonder did he come from Tír na nÓg.
Indeed, my cousin's wife's maiden name was Cashin. My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Caslin.
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Thought that Cashin bloke who came on for them was absolutely crap.
As bad as that MauPay bloke they had who kept asking for higher wages
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Eiran Cashin, what a grand name from the old country. I wonder did he come from Tír na nÓg.
Indeed, my cousin's wife's maiden name was Cashin. My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Caslin.
My Grandma's maiden name was Mulqueen, which I always think sounds even more Irish than my actual Irish-sounding name.
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My Grandma's maiden name was Mulqueen, which I always think sounds even more Irish than my actual Irish-sounding name.
Not sure about that as they'd probably have christened you Steve, if it were your surname.
I've never heard of it before, but it seems to be mainly concentrated in Limerick and Clare.
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It's Thursday morning, it's sunny, I have a day off work and Villa thumped Brighton last night.
Same for me and I live in Sussex. Walking around in my claret and blue getting salty looks from the odd person featuring a seagulls logo. More here today than attended the match last night by looks of it. Why oh why do beastly old Aston Villa cheat every time we play them 😂 tbf anyone that beats them have always cheated or not played in the proper spirit of the game lol fuck off 😂
Same here, they were very optimistic yesterday. When they moan about the ref I just use the password Hinshelwood.
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My Grandma's maiden name was Mulqueen, which I always think sounds even more Irish than my actual Irish-sounding name.
Not sure about that as they'd probably have christened you Steve, if it were your surname.
I've never heard of it before, but it seems to be mainly concentrated in Limerick and Clare.
Yep, that branch of the family were all Limerick 🙂
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Eiran Cashin, what a grand name from the old country. I wonder did he come from Tír na nÓg.
Indeed, my cousin's wife's maiden name was Cashin. My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Caslin.
My Grandma's maiden name was Mulqueen, which I always think sounds even more Irish than my actual Irish-sounding name.
My grandmother was a Mulqueen as well.
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From Co. Clare.
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Sent you a PM.
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We had a great time down there last night but getting away from that ground is shit. I only had to get back to west London but got home after 1 so god knows what time fans got back to Brum.
A surprising number of empty seats in the away end which I presume was people who just couldn’t get down midweek but it’s a shame when people are desperate to get to away games.
Very relieved that the heinous VAR decision didn’t influence the result. I still can’t understand how it wasn’t given.
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Saw on Max YouTube's vid that Brighton now put on a fan-area near the ground. Was it any cop? It's a pity their ground is so cut-off from town. The old one is just down the road from me. I get my bread from approximately where one of their goalposts used to stand (now Lidl).
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Rogers pushing Malen front and centre, McGinn giving his armband to a kid in the crowd AND FV's favourite celebration all at the end.
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Saw on Max YouTube's vid that Brighton now put on a fan-area near the ground. Was it any cop? It's a pity their ground is so cut-off from town. The old one is just down the road from me. I get my bread from approximately where one of their goalposts used to stand (now Lidl).
I have mates from Brighton so we agreed to meet at the Terrace. It seemed good but when I got there it was pretty busy so we had drinks from the roving beer sellers with the beer jetpacks. Crappy Heineken but speedy service compensated for that. For me it fell better and more roomy than the Villa fan zone but I think the upper area is Amex card holders only, which would limit numbers.
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I thought we'd lost this thread but now realise the PSG thread got posted. Jim in American Pie lasted longer before shooting his load.
As for the game, two points; for all the shots Forest missed, Martinez had them all covered. His positioning and reaction are world class. He was probably disappointed every shot was off target.
Anybody else see the 1982 winner with Malens's goal? Maatsen twists and turns his defender inside out just like Tony Morley before whizzing a low cross into the 6 yard box for the tap in. Admittedly Marlen's finish was a bit more precise but had all the trademarks of Withe's winner. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come on our European tour.
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Shame that Malen won't be available for the final!