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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on March 13, 2025, 04:24:42 PM
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Holiday Hot weather training
Surely most of first team squad will be away on various international duties either competitive or Friendlies?
Martinez
Olsen
Cash
Disasi?
Digne
Konsa
McGinn
Tielemans
Onana?
Kamara?
Watkins - unless injured
Bailey?
Rogers
If that lot are away - is it really worth it?
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If that lot are away - is it really worth it?
For starters, Kamara and Disasi aren't in the French squad. Plus Unai wants to try the Salt Bae steak restaurant.
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Hot weather training, it's suddenly going to be 30c in B6 is it? it was 2c last night and bloody freezing, snowed on my way in on the Hagley Road.
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Its to prepare for Paris. Gets hot on the continent.
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Its to prepare for Paris.
It'll get them used to playing in a foreign city renowned for its history and culture.
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Holiday Hot weather training
Surely most of first team squad will be away on various international duties either competitive or Friendlies?
If that lot are away - is it really worth it?
We aren't playing next weekend. Internationals are after that. See it more as a supervised holiday abroad for the team.
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Internationals start Thursday 20th so I'd expect players to join up with their squads this Monday coming. I assumed Dubai was for the 12 or so who won't be called up plus some youngsters.
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I understood everyone was flying out for the initial weekend etc, with the call-ups then returning back for their international teams and the rest stopping out there a bit longer.
Seems that is no longer the plan. Still see it as a supervised holiday though.
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Mings said last night “We have a few days off “
It’s up to players to remain sensible as Emery said this final two months the players have to be at their best.
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
Would be daft not to given the St. Patrick's Festival is on this weekend.
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
Would be daft not to given the St. Patrick's Festival is on this weekend.
Well McGinn should know better if he’s going to Dublin again.
Also McGinn is Scottish not Irish so it’s probably another false rumour like those nonsense Asensio stories .
That was insulting to every man, woman and child!
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
Would be daft not to given the St. Patrick's Festival is on this weekend.
Well McGinn should know better if he’s going to Dublin again.
Also McGinn is Scottish not Irish so it’s probably another false rumour like those nonsense Asensio stories .
That was insulting to every man, woman and child!
Now that they've cancelled the Patrick's Day parade in Brum, Dublin is the obvious second choice.
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
Would be daft not to given the St. Patrick's Festival is on this weekend.
Well McGinn should know better if he’s going to Dublin again.
Also McGinn is Scottish not Irish so it’s probably another false rumour like those nonsense Asensio stories .
That was insulting to every man, woman and child!
Now that they've cancelled the Patrick's Day parade in Brum, Dublin is the obvious second choice.
I’d think he’s already booked his Ryanair flight.
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It will be interesting to see how much of the squad does go to Dubai. Are over half our senior players regular internationals?
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Probably, but "regular" doesn't mean they're going anywhere. Pau, Cash, Maatsen, Onana, Rashford, Disasi, Kamara, Bailey have all regularly been called up, but it would be a surprise if they're going anywhere but Dubai for the next couple of weeks.
Digne, Emi, Watkins, Rogers, Konsa, McGinn, Olsen, Malen, Youri - reckon that's it.
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I hear McGinn's organised a big piss-up in Dublin.
Would be daft not to given the St. Patrick's Festival is on this weekend.
Well McGinn should know better if he’s going to Dublin again.
Also McGinn is Scottish not Irish so it’s probably another false rumour like those nonsense Asensio stories .
That was insulting to every man, woman and child!
Yep he'll definitely know better which pubs to go to.
He might go to Budapest though.
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Who are we going to be missing?
Teilemans
Digne
Rogers
Rashford
Konsa
McGinn
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Who are we going to be missing?
Teilemans
Digne
Rogers
Rashford
Konsa
McGinn
Emi M, Olsen
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Malen was making the Dutch squads from the Dortmund bench, so it's quite plausible he'll continue making them from our bench.
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Yes, Malen is in the squad for the Netherlands
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I've never been there, but I'm 100% certain that Dubai is shit.
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I have, and it is. An artificial city in the desert.
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I have, and it is. An artificial city in the desert.
Good to know, sounds like Vegas would be a much better bet for future trips.
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I have, and it is. An artificial city in the desert.
Good to know, sounds like Vegas would be a much better bet for future trips.
Yes
What goes on in Dubai.
Isnt worth talking about.
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It's a soulless shithole.
My dad's flat 1995 compared to now...
(https://i.ibb.co/dwFtpc31/IMG-1203.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dwFtpc31)
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Thats Crazy Mr Rodent
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Thats Crazy Mr Rodent
My dad liked it when he was there, because it was still desert more or less.
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Who are we going to be missing?
Teilemans
Digne
Rogers
Rashford
Konsa
McGinn
Emi M, Olsen
Yes, Malen is in the squad for the Netherlands
Also have to add Matty Cash for Poland , and Leon Bailey for Jamica world cup qualifiers
Under 21 Duty: Maasten, Bogarde both Netherlands , Garcia Spain
So the remaining members of the Villa squad who aren't called up will all go out to Dubai for a training camp for 4 days.
Emery Said :
Our plan is to keep 10 to 12 players and work with them a little bit, trying to focus for four days out of here, preparing for the next month.
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I can not imagine why anyone wants to go there
The company I worked for had a Regional HO there, the game was who paid the most for a beer.
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Mings said last night “We have a few days off “
It’s up to players to remain sensible as Emery said this final two months the players have to be at their best.
Nearly. He said the last two months of the season have to be the best two months.
Slightly different vibe.
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They'll be training near our old house .
Weather is perfect this time of year .
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Mings said last night “We have a few days off “
It’s up to players to remain sensible as Emery said this final two months the players have to be at their best.
Nearly. He said the last two months of the season have to be the best two months.
Slightly different vibe.
Yes I wrote that completely wrong. Good correction and fair point made!
The last two months of the season have to be our best!
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Al Ain FC will face Aston Villa in a friendly match next Thursday at Hazza bin Zayed Stadium at 10pm local (6pm UK).
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It'll be interesting to see who goes out for this. With so many out on loan and a big list of internationals I think there's going to have to be a fair number of youngsters involved especially now there's a game included.
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The squad arrived this morning and have had the first training session there.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/march/17/villa-hard-at-work-in-dubai/
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Barkley not in the pictures.
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From the pictures it looks like:
Zych
Disasi
Mings
Torres
Onana
Asensio
Ramsey
Jimoh
Kamara
Any idea who this is is? Looks like JA on the bib?
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/5cfba020-0365-11f0-8a91-b1a5209105b7.jpg)
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Barkley not in the pictures.
He's still on Annual Leave
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From the pictures it looks like:
Zych
Disasi
Mings
Torres
Onana
Asensio
Ramsey
Jimoh
Kamara
Any idea who this is is? Looks like JA on the bib?
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/5cfba020-0365-11f0-8a91-b1a5209105b7.jpg)
Is that not Asensio? I know the JA doesn't make sense but it looks like his hooter.
Edit: nah, hair is wrong.
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Is that not Asensio? I know the JA doesn't make sense but it looks like his hooter.
Edit: nah, hair is wrong.
I doubt it's Jimoh-Aloba either.
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There's an U18 keeper called Jack Allan, who is the only JA I can see on the squad lists. Jimoh-Aloba would be JA too but I don't think that's how they initial things.
Maybe I'm being dumb here, but I'm going through the gallery again and that picture seems to be gone?
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Why can't they just stay at home and rest? They don't need all this flying about. Let them rest. Eat sensibly, sleep well and recover for the final push of the season.
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Al Ain FC will face Aston Villa in a friendly match next Thursday at Hazza bin Zayed Stadium at 10pm local (6pm UK).
It’s not out of the realms of possibility that Mings and Pau could play together and the trip to Dubai allows opportunity for them to work on that and also with Disasi involved it good to have some defence training and match practice
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Al Ain FC will face Aston Villa in a friendly match next Thursday at Hazza bin Zayed Stadium at 10pm local (6pm UK).
Why? There are already too many games.
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Coaching staff have initials, players have numbers. No Oli or Barkley…
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Al Ain FC will face Aston Villa in a friendly match next Thursday at Hazza bin Zayed Stadium at 10pm local (6pm UK).
Why? There are already too many games.
It looks like there's only a handful of first team players there. If we can field 11 + subs to play a friendly, it's most likely going to be a lot of youth team players along with the likes of Pau and Onana who haven't played much, or at all recently.
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From the pictures it looks like:
Zych
Disasi
Mings
Torres
Onana
Asensio
Ramsey
Jimoh
Kamara
Any idea who this is is? Looks like JA on the bib?
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/5cfba020-0365-11f0-8a91-b1a5209105b7.jpg)
Side profile looks like Scott Hogan or yer man on the wing for Chelsea who they bought off Wulfs.
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Coaching staff have initials, players have numbers. No Oli or Barkley…
Also coaching staff have red tops and players green. Top looks red to me albeit with it being a very warm colour dominated picture anyway.
Might be Jose Antonio Romero although hair doesn't look right.
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Disturbingly, my first thought when I saw it was that it was Trump and someone was taking the piss. Oh well, back to the opticians.
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Al Ain FC will face Aston Villa in a friendly match next Thursday at Hazza bin Zayed Stadium at 10pm local (6pm UK).
My daughter lives in Al Ain but not sure she would fancy a late night watching the reserves. Villa might flog a few shirts though.
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Disturbingly, my first thought when I saw it was that it was Trump and someone was taking the piss. Oh well, back to the opticians.
That was my first thought as well! Especially with the orange face ;)
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As if Trump would look as hot as that.
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Could it be Garcia ?
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Disturbingly, my first thought when I saw it was that it was Trump and someone was taking the piss. Oh well, back to the opticians.
That was my first thought as well! Especially with the orange face ;)
It was him, he gave a little pep talk to the players. https://youtube.com/shorts/puRU3UkD9H8
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
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I went there for my 60th last Christmas and it was wonderful, in fact i have been to a good few places around the world and it is my favourite to date and i long to go back.
Weather
Friendly people
Safety
Things to see and do
If you like top end cars then it is the worlds biggest showroom
Great restaurants
Fantastic architecture
Cleanliness
Public transport
We found that to eat out could be as expensive or as economical as you wanted - no worse than any other major city in the world (NYC / London / Paris etc)
Each to their own i suppose
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
Yes, that is fair comment. If you choose your holiday destinations based on the human rights/liberal credentials of the country then it’s probably one to swerve.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
Yes, that is fair comment. If you choose your holiday destinations based on the human rights/liberal credentials of the country then it’s probably one to swerve.
I met some Emirati Christians at a conference in the United States they are still my friends now. The people of Dubai are decent people who follow a way of life.
The reality though in Dubai the main faith is Islam and the people can’t convert to become Christian.
Still we have to respect the country and no degenerate that Islam is their chosen religion.
To try and say they are wrong is offensive to muslims.
And actually anyone who respects people whatever faith they are.
So I think that comment is badly worded to say wrong is not right!
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
Yes, that is fair comment. If you choose your holiday destinations based on the human rights/liberal credentials of the country then it’s probably one to swerve.
I met some Emirati Christians at a conference in the United States they are still my friends now. The people of Dubai are decent people who follow a way of life.
The reality though in Dubai the main faith is Islam and the people can’t convert to become Christian.
Still we have to respect the country and no degenerate that Islam is their chosen religion.
To try and say they are wrong is offensive to muslims.
And actually anyone who respects people whatever faith they are.
So I think that comment is badly worded to say wrong is not right!
It's worded just fine.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
Yes, that is fair comment. If you choose your holiday destinations based on the human rights/liberal credentials of the country then it’s probably one to swerve.
I met some Emirati Christians at a conference in the United States they are still my friends now. The people of Dubai are decent people who follow a way of life.
The reality though in Dubai the main faith is Islam and the people can’t convert to become Christian.
Still we have to respect the country and no degenerate that Islam is their chosen religion.
To try and say they are wrong is offensive to muslims.
And actually anyone who respects people whatever faith they are.
So I think that comment is badly worded to say wrong is not right!
It's worded just fine.
I think I misunderstood this and misunderstanding!
and now it makes some sense what I was reading here and what was trying to be said regards ‘wrong’people. Because it can be misunderstood quite easily actually but ok I read it differently and would maintain ‘wrong’ isn’t totally clear about what is being inferred about people from UAE.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
Or if you are one of the 'wrong' people.
Yes, that is fair comment. If you choose your holiday destinations based on the human rights/liberal credentials of the country then it’s probably one to swerve.
I met some Emirati Christians at a conference in the United States they are still my friends now. The people of Dubai are decent people who follow a way of life.
The reality though in Dubai the main faith is Islam and the people can’t convert to become Christian.
Still we have to respect the country and no degenerate that Islam is their chosen religion.
To try and say they are wrong is offensive to muslims.
And actually anyone who respects people whatever faith they are.
So I think that comment is badly worded to say wrong is not right!
Hi Footy
The bit in bold is unclear and I can’t work out what you mean from the context, either.
I would suggest, however, that the use of the word ‘degenerate’ next to religions is a bit of a whistle.
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Hi Footy
The bit in bold is unclear and I can’t work out what you mean from the context, either.
I would suggest, however, that the use of the word ‘degenerate’ next to religions is a bit of a whistle.
I believe he meant to say 'and not denigrate'.
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That makes sense, thanks BV.
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Hi Footy
The bit in bold is unclear and I can’t work out what you mean from the context, either.
I would suggest, however, that the use of the word ‘degenerate’ next to religions is a bit of a whistle.
I believe he meant to say 'and not denigrate'.
Yes thank you that’s what I was meaning to say. like disparage.
And I think I misunderstood some things or misinterpreted it as people having a go at another faith when perhaps that not the intention.
Ok I like us to all move on tbh as it’s confusing reading and I jumped in as I can as felt morally obliged.
Thank you BV for the assist!
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Any country that bans acts of homosexuality but allows golf is one to be avoided.
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To try and say they are wrong is offensive to muslims.
No it's not. The Emiratis are entitled ****** and totally wrong sort of people and nothing to do with religion. They are lazy useless wankers who live on State "welfare" and treat workers from the Asia as slaves.
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Any country that bans acts of homosexuality but allows golf is one to be avoided.
Absolutely this.
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I went once, I never left my hotel or the sunbed as tbh gawping at tax dodgers wealth, miles and miles of sand and a few high rise buildings isn’t exactly riveting stuff is it. It’s like Monaco with no soul and Monaco is the most dull as ditchwater full of its own self importance tax dodgers paradise I’ve ever had the displeasure of visiting. I mean if gawping at others people wealth is your thing then knock yourself out but it’s surely cheaper just buying an Annual Pass to the National Trust.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
It's too hot for golf and there are far better holidays for golf trips . Would not even make top 10
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When I was working at BHX you could tell the people getting off the Dubai flight who had started there by the amount of bling.
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Dubai is soulless and plastic. But if you like playing golf in the sunshine then it’s a cracking place to go. It’s also very safe, unless you piss off the wrong people.
It's too hot for golf and there are far better holidays for golf trips . Would not even make top 10
It’s not too hot in January. It’s blooming lovely. My favourite is the Estoril coast just west of Lisbon. You can stay in the city and enjoy all of that and 30 mins drive away you’ve got a string of fabulous sunny courses.
For the record my golfing habit is pretty much restricted to one or two of these trips per year. No chance of playing regularly until I retire.
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I can't think of many realistic holiday destinations less appealing than Dubai.
Someone mentioned it is as expensive as you want it to be, like New York or Paris, with the obvious difference that, you're in New York or Paris, cultural centres of the world, not a horrendous culture-free hell hole like Dubai.
And this will sound snobby, but I don't really care, but the other thing that puts me off going to Dubai is the sort of people who go to Dubai.
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You’re right Paulie’ for instance it’s David O’Leary’s favourite holiday destination. That’s all you need to know about him to know what he’s about. But I suppose if you wanted guaranteed sunshine and it’s relatively cheap to take a squad of player and staff to a sports complex that ticks all the boxes for warm weather training then it’s probably why it’s the choice and maybe there’s some commercial spin off too.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
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Isobel Oakeshitt has become an immigrant there.
It’s bad.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
Some team called Villa are playing a bloke called Alan there I believe.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
Some team called Villa are playing a bloke called Alan there I believe.
Sadly it’s in July.
Should be nice and warm by then.
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You’re right Paulie’ for instance it’s David O’Leary’s favourite holiday destination. That’s all you need to know about him to know what he’s about. But I suppose if you wanted guaranteed sunshine and it’s relatively cheap to take a squad of player and staff to a sports complex that ticks all the boxes for warm weather training then it’s probably why it’s the choice and maybe there’s some commercial spin off too.
Oh I totally get it for football related warm weather stuff like we are doing ATM, makes sense.
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I can't think of many realistic holiday destinations less appealing than Dubai.
Someone mentioned it is as expensive as you want it to be, like New York or Paris, with the obvious difference that, you're in New York or Paris, cultural centres of the world, not a horrendous culture-free hell hole like Dubai.
And this will sound snobby, but I don't really care, but the other thing that puts me off going to Dubai is the sort of people who go to Dubai.
All of this. And it's not snobby to have met the kind of people who like Dubai and to conclude that the things they enjoy are going to be very different from the things you're into.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
Go two days later? ;)
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So any updates from the lads in Dubai? Hope they're training well, being respectful in their way but still giving each other hugs and kisses if they feel like it.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Or, given it's lovejoy, Afghanistan.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
Some team called Villa are playing a bloke called Alan there I believe.
Sadly it’s in July.
Should be nice and warm by then.
Too hot and humid to do much outdoors other than in and out the pool.
Head for the dubai mall if you like shopping it will be cool in there .
I'd stay over by the old town and creek which is handy for the airport anyway
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So any updates from the lads in Dubai? Hope they're training well, being respectful in their way but still giving each other hugs and kisses if they feel like it.
Kamara has new hair.
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There's some younger players there but I can't tell who any of them are. I guess we'll see when the team to play the friendly is announced.
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Looks like Ings in the background (middle pic)
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Or, given it's lovejoy, Afghanistan.
Stay classy.
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I have a 2 day layover there. Any recommendations?
Stay indoors. Jump in the cooled swimming pool and go skiing.
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Looks like Ings in the background (middle pic)
Might be this guy? Todd Alcock.
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1600x1600/df8467a0-97a1-11ef-98f2-5f1669fb9db7.jpg)
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Looks like Ings in the background (middle pic)
Might be this guy? Todd Alcock.
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1600x1600/df8467a0-97a1-11ef-98f2-5f1669fb9db7.jpg)
I should hope he is with a barnet like that.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
Also agree. Fun fact, the previous Sultan was known to be gay. He ruled for decades and was so revered (and discreet) that no one in that strictly conservative country said a word about it.
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
Also agree. Fun fact, the previous Sultan was known to be gay. He ruled for decades and was so revered (and discreet) that no one in that strictly conservative country said a word about it.
Sandringham educated and a conservationist very much like Charles . His legacy was to keep Oman like it is and not become Dubai 2.0
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
Also agree. Fun fact, the previous Sultan was known to be gay. He ruled for decades and was so revered (and discreet) that no one in that strictly conservative country said a word about it.
Sandringham educated and a conservationist very much like Charles . His legacy was to keep Oman like it is and not become Dubai 2.0
Do you mean Sandhurst not Sandringham?
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
Also agree. Fun fact, the previous Sultan was known to be gay. He ruled for decades and was so revered (and discreet) that no one in that strictly conservative country said a word about it.
Sandringham educated and a conservationist very much like Charles . His legacy was to keep Oman like it is and not become Dubai 2.0
Do you mean Sandhurst not Sandringham?
Yeah bloody predictive text
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When I try to write Sandhurst my predictive text produces 'Cooper's Injury is a bell-piece'. Bloody technology.
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Is this friendly today? What time UK?
There's a video up of a training session today. You can see there's about 7 or 8 young players there. I've not seen enough of them before to identify who they are, but anyone who watched the U21 or u18s should be able to tell is who is there.
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Is it available to watch on any platform?
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Dubai isn't like New York or Paris to the extent that everything is expensive. At least in normal big cities you have a spectrum to choose from for eating out, hotels, events etc. I recollect from being in Dubai that the hotels were very expensive as they have a monopoly on selling alcohol. Even the banana boat was £90 for 30 mins.
It is slightly more toned down and more cultural in Abu Dhabi (they even have a Louvre don't you know). I think Dubai is a place to visit as an experience as it is difficult to explain otherwise. But as others have said you just need to look at the types of people who flock there to realise what it offers.
If you get the chance visit Oman, a traditionally based yet modern Middle East country that has avoided over tourism.
Yes, I've visited there as well. I agree it is more normal and relaxed, although I spent most of my time on a resort a bit away from Muscat.
Also agree. Fun fact, the previous Sultan was known to be gay. He ruled for decades and was so revered (and discreet) that no one in that strictly conservative country said a word about it.
I am not sure about the discrete. I sued to go there once or twice a year back in the 90s with work and while it was common knowledge that the Sultan was gay it was also known that the young men who drove around Muscat in bright pink cars had been given them by the Sultan because he enjoyed their company
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The Sultan of Browneye.
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When I try to write Sandhurst my predictive text produces 'Cooper's Injury is a bell-piece'. Bloody technology.
Lovely stuff.
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Apparently it's 1-1. They scored, Asensio equalised.
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Now it's 1-2
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1-3
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Now it's 1-2
1-3. Footy mob not keen to tell us who scored curiously…
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Any idea who is playing?
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Just seen a video of Asensios goal the first one. Oof.
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What a finish from Asensio.
The game is on YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Dh2aD3Mdk
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Now it's 1-2
1-3. Footy mob not keen to tell us who scored curiously…
Asensio, Disasi and Taylor.
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
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Can one of you Twitter types tell me what the lineup is, please?
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Villa look really comfortable. Its like a training game for us
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Villa look really comfortable. Its like a training game for us
It is a training game for us. And for them.
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Third goalscorer...
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/20/Taylor-joins-Aston-Villa-/
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Villa look really comfortable. Its like a training game for us
*eyes suspiciously*
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Can't tell the ref from our players. Our kit looks like we've got Castore ones again. Very dark.
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Just seen a video of Asensios goal the first one. Oof.
What a talent.
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Asensio and Onana have just been subbed off.
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Watching back from the start, their goal came from Mings being caught in possession, not a mistake he'll want to watch back.
Asensio's goal is an absolute peach.
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Finished 3-1
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Only seen last 15 minutes. The little midfielder looks confident on the ball, possibly number 59.
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
calm down , calm down
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His left foot should be made illegal it is such a weapon.
Looking at his goal show reel, I really hope we get to see a few screamers from him
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The Sultan of Browneye.
Seriously?
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Ascensio , Disasi and Kane Taylor with the goals .
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Mings with a complete fuck up for thier goal.
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Surprised Mings was even risked . Torres needs the games mostly to try and get up to speed defensively .
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Torres played.
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Torres played.
Good. He needs it.
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Just to make sure we maintained this particular trend, Al Ain scored from their first shot.
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Just to make sure we maintained this particular trend, Al Ain scored from their first shot.
Did they genuinely?
If so, that's brilliant.
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It's clearly all part of the masterplan
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
You know that's not true but do carry on.
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Just to make sure we maintained this particular trend, Al Ain scored from their first shot.
Did they genuinely?
If so, that's brilliant.
They took the lead. 1 shot, 1 on target, 1 goal. There is something magical about it all.
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Just to make sure we maintained this particular trend, Al Ain scored from their first shot.
Did they genuinely?
If so, that's brilliant.
They took the lead. 1 shot, 1 on target, 1 goal. There is something magical about it all.
It was moody footage I saw, but it looked to me like the keeper parried a shot and they scored from the rebound.
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What was our starting line-up and subs? Even Pravda don't report it.
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(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/509fdc10-05c7-11f0-a071-cfec89c7687b.jpg)
Looks like Mings, Zych, Torres, Onana, Kamara, 3 kids (Kane Taylor the first one?), Ramsey, Disasi, and Asensio.
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Third of the children in the photo is Jimoh-Aloba I think? Borland the one in the middle?
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Are they deliberately not saying who was involved or do they just assume we only care about the senior players. Even the pics and videos from training sessions look like they've tried not to include any of the younger players.
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Are they deliberately not saying who was involved or do they just assume we only care about the senior players. Even the pics and videos from training sessions look like they've tried not to include any of the younger players.
Why would they do that? It was available to watch anyway.
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Just seems a bit odd that they haven't said what the team was at any point.
You'd think that if people are interested enough in the match happening, what the result was, who scored and to read a fairly comprehensive match report (all of which the club has done) then they might also be interested in who played.
Not a big deal or anything, just a bit weird that it's information that they always give but this time they haven't.
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
You know that's not true but do carry on.
i see one other poster (LeeS) picking up on this post which could easily be construed as homophobic. I am not putting myself forward as the posting policeman here, far from it, but the moral outrage at some posts suggests critcising a football team is worse than the above post. As I said the moral compass is spinning. What part is not true?
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
You know that's not true but do carry on.
i see one other poster (LeeS) picking up on this post which could easily be construed as homophobic. I am not putting myself forward as the posting policeman here, far from it, but the moral outrage at some posts suggests critcising a football team is worse than the above post. As I said the moral compass is spinning. What part is not true?
The bit where you claim people are outraged at you "critcising a football team". Which nobody is, or ever has been.
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It must have been a dream.
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The Sultan of Browneye.
The moral compass of this forum is such that anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on but this gets through with no comment.
You know that's not true but do carry on.
i see one other poster (LeeS) picking up on this post which could easily be construed as homophobic. I am not putting myself forward as the posting policeman here, far from it, but the moral outrage at some posts suggests critcising a football team is worse than the above post. As I said the moral compass is spinning. What part is not true?
The bit where you claim people are outraged at you "critcising a football team". Which nobody is, or ever has been.
For the record, I thought the post was unnecessary and a bit off, I don’t have any views on the other part of it (being jumped on for criticising Liverpool)
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It must have been a dream.
Always the victim. It's never your fault.
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For the record, I thought the post was unnecessary and a bit off, I don’t have any views on the other part of it (being jumped on for criticising Liverpool)
Sure, no issue at all with anyone thinking that post isn't without its problems.
Just those who keep conflating "not liking Liverpool" (which lots of, probably even a majority of this forum do) and their own history of blaming Liverpool fans for the Hillsborough disaster. And then choosing to bring it up at every available opportunity.
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Just seems a bit odd that they haven't said what the team was at any point.
You'd think that if people are interested enough in the match happening, what the result was, who scored and to read a fairly comprehensive match report (all of which the club has done) then they might also be interested in who played.
Not a big deal or anything, just a bit weird that it's information that they always give but this time they haven't.
Exactly. Not suggesting a conspiracy theory or anything crazy. I'm just curious as to why there's been no mention of who traveled outside of the senior players. They've posted pictures from most days and you can't really make out who anyone is other than the senior players. The pics they posted from the game are the same.
It may be deliberately done to protect the younger players, if that's the right word. Emery wanted to have a look at a few of them but didn't want attention brought to who he was looking at. Or didn't want the lads who weren't included to feel excluded. Or, the social media people just assumed nobody would be interested.
I guess it's one of those things where it feels conspicuous in its absence, if that makes sense?
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It must have been a dream.
Always the victim. It's never your fault.
Bravo.
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Just to make sure we maintained this particular trend, Al Ain scored from their first shot.
Did they genuinely?
If so, that's brilliant.
They took the lead. 1 shot, 1 on target, 1 goal. There is something magical about it all.
Technically it was the second shot on target, first shot was saved, it went straight back to their attacker and he put it in the net.
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For the record, I thought the post was unnecessary and a bit off, I don’t have any views on the other part of it (being jumped on for criticising Liverpool)
Sure, no issue at all with anyone thinking that post isn't without its problems.
Just those who keep conflating "not liking Liverpool" (which lots of, probably even a majority of this forum do) and their own history of blaming Liverpool fans for the Hillsborough disaster. And then choosing to bring it up at every available opportunity.
I agree.
Can you provide facts to back up your assertion of "bringing it [Hillsborough] up at any available opportunity". I mean how often has this been referenced in the last 6 months/year?
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It must have been a dream.
Always the victim. It's never your fault.
Rofl-Kopter.
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For the record, I thought the post was unnecessary and a bit off, I don’t have any views on the other part of it (being jumped on for criticising Liverpool)
Sure, no issue at all with anyone thinking that post isn't without its problems.
Just those who keep conflating "not liking Liverpool" (which lots of, probably even a majority of this forum do) and their own history of blaming Liverpool fans for the Hillsborough disaster. And then choosing to bring it up at every available opportunity.
I agree.
Can you provide facts to back up your assertion of "bringing it [your conflation of a dislike of Liverpool FC and your weird Hillsborough views] up at any available opportunity". I mean how often has this been referenced in the last 6 months/year?
I've edited the above to show what "it" actually refers to. So, to give a couple of recent examples:
anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on
I wont tell you which teams I don't like as that freedom of expression is denied on this forum and results in an ad hominem pile on
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You haven't found a reference to Hillsborough then? In fact you've edited my post in order to respond, that's kind of strange isn't it? Your post literally mentioned Hillsborough, mine didn't. I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify when I have referenced Hillsborough or admit your post was misleading, just for the sake of facts.
When victim complex is referenced it means an "everyone is against us" attitude, like wanting a match replayed because of a VAR error. You brought Hillsborough up not me.
I think this must be boring for others to read, so perhaps its time to draw a line.
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Asensio goal from the game. Wow
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1902818530808172695?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA
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Fuckin' hell. His shots fly in the air! The clip looks like it's from 1996, mind.
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Now that is what you call superb technique.
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Always good when a 1-2 is finished off in stunning fashion.
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You haven't found a reference to Hillsborough then? In fact you've edited my post in order to respond, that's kind of strange isn't it? Your post literally mentioned Hillsborough, mine didn't. I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify when I have referenced Hillsborough or admit your post was misleading, just for the sake of facts.
When victim complex is referenced it means an "everyone is against us" attitude, like wanting a match replayed because of a VAR error. You brought Hillsborough up not me.
I think this must be boring for others to read, so perhaps its time to draw a line.
Why do you think you've been pulled up so many times about 'victims' and Liverpool?
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Probably because some people are over sensitive about use of the word victim even though some people spurs and Everton fans included, love to play the victim
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When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.
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Probably because some people are over sensitive about use of the word victim even though some people spurs and Everton fans included, love to play the victim
That’s right. It’s the fault of sensitive people. Not dickheads.
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When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.
But context is the keyword. Not every reference to Liverpool and their followers is a direct or even indirect reference to either the Hillsborough or Hysel deaths. The outrage over a VAR/referee error mentioned earlier is a prime example. Demanding a replay because they were the victims of that decision is a typical Liverpool response.
They had to play their youth team in the FA Cup against us because their 1st team were on a sightseeing trip in Dubai. Victims again. Whinge whinge all the time. Never their fault.
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Has the 'always the victims' tag always been labelled at them or is it since erm, Hillsborough?
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It's just a scouse thing. Like always being militant or always being a comedian. It's the sweeping generalisation that is forever attached to being scouse. Everton are the same. Always suing anyone and everyone for causing offence.
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When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.
But context is the keyword. Not every reference to Liverpool and their followers is a direct or even indirect reference to either the Hillsborough or Hysel deaths. The outrage over a VAR/referee error mentioned earlier is a prime example. Demanding a replay because they were the victims of that decision is a typical Liverpool response.
They had to play their youth team in the FA Cup against us because their 1st team were on a sightseeing trip in Dubai. Victims again. Whinge whinge all the time. Never their fault.
context does matter but you're missing the fact that lots of people who blamed the fans for Hillsborough made 'always the victims' part of their criticism, to the point where, it's now a pretty toxic phrase to use towards liverpool. Whether you intend to or not if you make that connection then you are going to piss people off and the only sensible response is "sorry I didn't realise the connection" and just stop fucking doing it. Doubling down as you and lovejoy have is just fucking shitty behaviour.
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Brummies are always dour miserable fuckers and I conform to that stereotype willingly
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‘It’s never your fault’ is clearly a reference to Hillsborough and Heysel. It doesn’t make sense as a comment about more general whinging.
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With 2 Cup quarter finals and 9 league "Cup finals" coming up, there is plenty of good things to look forward to.
Come on Villa. Bring it all home.
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Lovejoy did it. Again.
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Someone decided to continue moaning about something else because most people ignored a pretty crap joke.
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Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.
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Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.
Good work! Interesting mix.
So Barkley and Watkins are resting/recovering from injury and didn’t feature at all or travel then?
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Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.
Good work! Interesting mix.
So Barkley and Watkins are resting/recovering from injury and didn’t feature at all or travel then?
Watkins travelled, he's been in the pictures. Barkley seems to have stayed back.
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Lovejoy did it. Again.
As Telford has stated, people can think of Liverpool having a victim complex without needing to reference tragedies. Context is important.
In fact when I asked Dave to support his assertion this was about tragedies he changed one of my posts and had nothing. Getting angry for the sake of it. Man shouts at cloud territory.
The cup can't come quickly enough.
Oh and topics do often meander away from their original theme,like most conversations, but by all means get angry about that too. Jeez.
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Lovejoy did it. Again.
As Telford has stated, people can think of Liverpool having a victim complex without needing to reference tragedies. Context is important.
In fact when I asked Dave to support his assertion this was about tragedies he changed one of my posts and had nothing. Getting angry for the sake of it. Man shouts at cloud territory.
The cup can't come quickly enough.
Oh and topics do often meander away from their original theme,like most conversations, but by all means get angry about that too. Jeez.
You should try taking things on the chin. Don't always look for the perceived slight in what everyone says. It comes across as a bit whiny, bleating, like you're hyper-sensitive about everything. It's not an attractive quality.
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When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.
But context is the keyword. Not every reference to Liverpool and their followers is a direct or even indirect reference to either the Hillsborough or Hysel deaths. The outrage over a VAR/referee error mentioned earlier is a prime example. Demanding a replay because they were the victims of that decision is a typical Liverpool response.
They had to play their youth team in the FA Cup against us because their 1st team were on a sightseeing trip in Dubai. Victims again. Whinge whinge all the time. Never their fault.
A "big" club response more likely being as Arsenal whinge at every opportunity along with Manure and Man City. I believe I pointed out to Lovejoy at the time that the complaints he was associating just with Liverpool were also associating with multiple other teams and managers. Arsenal fans were demanding a replay after the Brentford match a few months before but no one seems to throw "victim" as a reason to hate that club and fans. Barcelona were demanding a replay against Madrid a few months later, and again no "victim" complaints thrown in that direction. Liverpool do and suddenly it is a viable word to use, even though it has specific connotations when used against them as anyone decent should know.
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I think people banging on about a victim culture in Liverpool do so out of ignorance then, because they certainly don't complain any more than any other club.
The whole victim-culture reference that is made has only really ever surfaced since Hillsborough anyway. In the same way that the bindipper insult is used, it's just a load of bollocks used, in a shit way, to denigrate the oppostion.
I don't like Liverpool at all as a club, I detested them back in the 80s, with the gloryhunter fans, and fawning media and that still exists; however, when virtually everyone is pointing out to you that what you're saying is a load of insulting false bollocks, why persist?
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Lovejoy did it. Again.
As Telford has stated, people can think of Liverpool having a victim complex without needing to reference tragedies. Context is important.
In fact when I asked Dave to support his assertion this was about tragedies he changed one of my posts and had nothing. Getting angry for the sake of it. Man shouts at cloud territory.
The cup can't come quickly enough.
Oh and topics do often meander away from their original theme,like most conversations, but by all means get angry about that too. Jeez.
You should try taking things on the chin. Don't always look for the perceived slight in what everyone says. It comes across as a bit whiny, bleating, like you're hyper-sensitive about everything. It's not an attractive quality.
Fair enough, although I do feel there is a pile on if any criticism of Liverpool is ever mentioned.
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Which is only if you mention them being 'victims'. It's not difficulty to understand.
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What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?
Lovejoy did it. Again.
As Telford has stated, people can think of Liverpool having a victim complex without needing to reference tragedies. Context is important.
In fact when I asked Dave to support his assertion this was about tragedies he changed one of my posts and had nothing. Getting angry for the sake of it. Man shouts at cloud territory.
My apologies, I thought that your "let's not discuss this any further" was one of those things where you were trying to leave the conversation with a tiny bit of dignity intact, so I left it rather than continuing the point.
As you apparently don't, then fair enough.
You're welcome to hold whatever horrible opinions you want, I wasn't making any comment on that. That's been done enough over the last ten years and I imagine that the posts are still there for anyone who cares.
My objection was to your pathetic whinging about "anyone mentioning Liverpool negatively gets a pile on" and "freedom of expression is denied on this forum" like a massive Trumpy baby.
You can tell this is what I was talking about where I say:
I've edited the above to show what "it" actually refers to
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As you've used quotation marks around "freedom of expression is denied on this forum" you will no doubt have posts to back this up as you clearly aren't someone who feels they just make stuff up right?
I fully respect your right to have an opinion and to post that but I will call it out when it's based on made up quotes which you have been unable support.
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As you've used quotation marks around "freedom of expression is denied on this forum" you will no doubt have posts to back this up as you clearly aren't someone who feels they just make stuff up right?
I fully respect your right to have an opinion and to post that but I will call it out when it's based on made up quotes which you have been unable support.
Here you go.
I wont tell you which teams I don't like as that freedom of expression is denied on this forum and results in an ad hominem pile on. (Spurs and Brighton would feature).
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Can i politely say this above discussion doesn’t belong here.
When saw the indicators for new contributions for this thread I thought be about the footage of Dubai training camp .
Let’s get back on topic shall we.
Look official footage of Villa players in Dubai.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/e9fe07f8-58e2-40ad-b788-d5320301ff7f
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I think we should have some sort of symbol on the thread title, to alert the casual reader that there is a row going on inside that may prove of interest. A boxing glove perhaps?
I nearly missed this.
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Au contraire, footy. What better place is there for petty, middle-aged men to type out evidence of their own futility than in a thread called 'Dubai'?
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Is this the room for an argument?
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Is it fuck, you div.
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Can i politely say this above discussion doesn’t belong here.
When saw the indicators for new contributions for this thread I thought be about the footage of Dubai training camp .
Let’s get back on topic shall we.
Look official footage of Villa players in Dubai.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/e9fe07f8-58e2-40ad-b788-d5320301ff7f
Welcome to my world.
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Is it fuck, you div.
I really enjoy div as an insult, but have no idea where the word comes from.
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Is it fuck, you div.
I really enjoy div as an insult, but have no idea where the word comes from.
I was thinking about that the other day, like I hope it's not from something really bad and I need to stop.
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Is it fuck, you div.
I really enjoy div as an insult, but have no idea where the word comes from.
If you enjoy it, it's probably best not to dig too deep (I have no idea either, but I bet it's not good).
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
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Take your pick:
Actually originates from prison slang in the UK. A job often given to the lowest inmates was to put cardboard dividers into boxes. Someone given this job was a 'divider' or a 'div'. Now used as an insult to those who display stupidity.
C20: probably shortened and changed from deviant
Div is a scouse word for idiot. It is short for divvy which in turn is a corruption of Deva. The Deva Hospital was a well known mental hospital (since renamed the West Cheshire Hospital) on the outskirts of Chester. Chester was founded by the Romans who named it Deva.
Derived from "individual needs child", a cruel schoolyard insult. Not at all politically correct. Someone who's "not quite normal"
Derived from divot, a clump of turf. And clump is just another expression for an idiot or foolish person.
A person that is a bit stupid, a waster or unemployed. The word Div/Divvy comes from a shortening of the Unemployment Dividend of the 1950's.
A Northern English word from the mining community's use of different types of lamp whilst underground. The dangerous lamp nicknamed Davy Lamp was not very safe and tended to explode, this was replaced with the Geordie Lamp which was a lot safer. Colliers that went underground using a Davy Lamp soon started being called Divvies.
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Div is apparently short for deviant!
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Bloody hell, I didn't think there would be that many origins. I'll choose to believe the 'nicer' ones.
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Bloody hell, I didn't think there would be that many origins. I'll choose to believe the 'nicer' ones.
It does feel a bit like a round of Balderdash.
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
Me.
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Irrelevant
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A word I've never heard anyone else use (other than in South Brum) in "Monny" - similar use to "Div" - probably related to Monyhull Mental Hospital.
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I think we should have some sort of symbol on the thread title, to alert the casual reader that there is a row going on inside that may prove of interest. A boxing glove perhaps?
I nearly missed this.
A flashing boxing glove when the row is live. Great idea.
The mods could rush in.
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Can we also have a fluttering towel emoji used when one of the participants has had enough.
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
Shame that, along with Imbecile, it's one of my favourite words when I'm arguing with my Conspiracy Theorist mates, which seems to happen more and more regularly.
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Up until the mid 1970s Divs were clearly defined and everyone knew where they stood. Level one was known as the top div and level four the bottom div, although before level four was introduced the third level was divided geographically. Then the Scots decided they wanted a better class of Div and brought in a Premier Div. England followed suit in 1992 after a bunch of low level Divs from London, known as The Wombles, had risen up the levels and kicked shit out of the posh divs. The posh divs ganged up and eventually kicked the insurgents out of their Premier club, but it all became so confusing with Div 2s becoming Div 1s that we ended up in 2024 with the lowest level divs going into something called League One.
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
David James certainly did:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/1057907.stm
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Is it fuck, you div.
I really enjoy div as an insult, but have no idea where the word comes from.
I was thinking about that the other day, like I hope it's not from something really bad and I need to stop.
Coventry, according to a former PE teacher who was the first I'd heard use the term. My guess is it was adopted the the Scots who moved to Coventry in large numbers in the 60s and 70s. Dave's comment on northern miners kind of backs it up, except they were probably Scottish miners not Geordies.
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I posted years ago that I objected to the use of Cretin because it offended me and I explained that it was a congenital condition from birth resulting in both physical and mental disabilities.
Those people born that way have no control over the situation, neither does anyone born with irregularities. It's never going to change so I let it slide. If you (in a general sense) use the term in a derogatory manner perhaps an inward look at themselves might be in order. See window-licker, mong, etc. I have two kids and six grandkids and I give thanks every time I see them that they were born pretty normal.
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I posted years ago that I objected to the use of Cretin because it offended me and I explained that it was a congenital condition from birth resulting in both physical and mental disabilities.
Those people born that way have no control over the situation, neither does anyone born with irregularities. It's never going to change so I let it slide. If you (in a general sense) use the term in a derogatory manner perhaps an inward look at themselves might be in order. See window-licker, mong, etc. I have two kids and six grandkids and I give thanks every time I see them that they were born pretty normal.
I avoid using the term because of learning about it on here, probably from you Dave.
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I learned about it from David James.
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Is it fuck, you div.
I really enjoy div as an insult, but have no idea where the word comes from.
I was thinking about that the other day, like I hope it's not from something really bad and I need to stop.
Coventry, according to a former PE teacher who was the first I'd heard use the term. My guess is it was adopted the the Scots who moved to Coventry in large numbers in the 60s and 70s. Dave's comment on northern miners kind of backs it up, except they were probably Scottish miners not Geordies.
Here is 'div' used at 1' 18". There are a lot of bizarre theories where the word stemmed from but I'll go for a derivation of 'child of individual needs'.
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
Shame that, along with Imbecile, it's one of my favourite words when I'm arguing with my Conspiracy Theorist mates, which seems to happen more and more regularly.
Might be of interest? On the basis of this I think I can reclaim it.
The English language has no shortage of cruel names for people, and one of them is cretin, which is what you’d call someone who is very, very dumb in the head.
Back before cretin meant “a stupid person,” it was a medical term for a physical deformity that came from a specific disease. Surprisingly, the root of cretin is the Swiss French word crestin, which means “Christian.” It seems that people back then wanted to remind themselves that even though cretins look unusual, they’re still humans who deserve kindness. Knowing this makes it hard to use cretin in a mean way, but there are plenty more rude words you could use.
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^^^^^Fuckwit?
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Fuckwit is good. Nonce too. Who cares if they get offended?
I need something and work hard every day to ensure I conform with the ever changing expectations of society.
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Boring c*** is solid and a personal fave. Don't think it'll ever be under threat either, unless there's a crusade for either boring people or c***s, but both feel unlikely.
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Wanker is always reliable, solidly dismissive of it's target.
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Boring c*** is solid and a personal fave. Don't think it'll ever be under threat either, unless there's a crusade for either boring people or c***s, but both feel unlikely.
Although women are not always keen on that word. I mean why is something bad compared to female genitalia?
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I find prick to be the most hurtful. Feels very dismissive.
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I remember someone on here taking issue with the word cretin.
Safer to use lúdramán [LOO-dra-MAWN] now that it's in the OED https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0egv82wjryo
'Class' to see 'mineral' and 'spice bag' also being included.
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‘Twat’, is pleasingly short, insulting, and dismissive when the need arises to put someone in their place.
Brilliantly captured by John Cooper Clarke.
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‘Twat’, is pleasingly short, insulting, and dismissive when the need arises to put someone in their place.
Brilliantly captured by John Cooper Clarke.
Me and a mate often abuse each other with 'Massive Twat'. It's tremendous fun.
That John Cooper Clark poem sums up Trump splendidly.
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being at comp in the early 80's some of the insults thrown around back then would be unheard of nowadays thankfully. You had to have tough skin back then as it was all fair game .
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I'm sure you did.
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being at comp in the early 80's some of the insults thrown around back then would be unheard of nowadays thankfully. You had to have tough skin back then as it was all fair game .
I don't like my game with tough skin. Occasionally crispy, but never tough.
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There are some English words that are short sharp jabs to the ribs that unfortunately don't travel well to other parts of the world. North Americans love the word wanker and see themselves as "British" when they use it. The irony being it makes them look and sound like wankers when they use it and usually out of context. But other insults like div, git or twat need to be on the list of things you say to wound and not kill.
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being at comp in the early 80's some of the insults thrown around back then would be unheard of nowadays thankfully. You had to have tough skin back then as it was all fair game .
I don't like my game with tough skin. Occasionally crispy, but never tough.
You prefer more tender birds?
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being at comp in the early 80's some of the insults thrown around back then would be unheard of nowadays thankfully. You had to have tough skin back then as it was all fair game .
I don't like my game with tough skin. Occasionally crispy, but never tough.
You prefer more tender birds?
Tender, not mellow birds
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I find prick to be the most hurtful. Feels very dismissive.
Agree, along with a ‘bit of a dick’
Always been a fan of ‘complete twat’
Did anyone watch the Armando Ianucci documentary - there was a guy hired solely to come up with cus words for the Thick of It - they’d hand him a script for him to pepper filth on top.
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See I've always taken "bit of a twat/dick/knob/etc" to be the sort of thing you say about that friend before you introduce him to new people - "yeah he's a bit of a knob at first but he's fine once you get used to him".
Whereas any of those with 'fucking' in front is reserved for someone who has committed a minor annoyance (not held a door, ran a light on amber, etc).
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being at comp in the early 80's some of the insults thrown around back then would be unheard of nowadays thankfully. You had to have tough skin back then as it was all fair game .
I don't like my game with tough skin. Occasionally crispy, but never tough.
You prefer more tender birds?
Tender, not mellow birds
isn’t that a coffee?
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See I've always taken "bit of a twat/dick/knob/etc" to be the sort of thing you say about that friend before you introduce him to new people - "yeah he's a bit of a knob at first but he's fine once you get used to him".
Whereas any of those with 'fucking' in front is reserved for someone who has committed a minor annoyance (not held a door, ran a light on amber, etc).
Twat/dick/knob are all fine. Terms of endearment event. Prick though, just feels more barbed.
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See I've always taken "bit of a twat/dick/knob/etc" to be the sort of thing you say about that friend before you introduce him to new people - "yeah he's a bit of a knob at first but he's fine once you get used to him".
Whereas any of those with 'fucking' in front is reserved for someone who has committed a minor annoyance (not held a door, ran a light on amber, etc).
Twat/dick/knob are all fine. Terms of endearment event. Prick though, just feels more barbed.
Yeah. I have referred to my brother as a 'daft twat' before, but 'daft prick' does strangely sound harsher. No idea why.
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Shut down this thread please or move it on it has no necessary longer needed and the contents is abhorrent to read!
It’s completely irrelevant now and it’s been a soiled thread for too long
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Quite fitting for a Dubai thread though, the cesspool it's become .
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Shut down this thread please or move it on it has no necessary longer needed and the contents is abhorrent to read!
It’s completely irrelevant now and it’s been a soiled thread for too long
Strongly disagree.
Also, poo fart willy snot bumholea.
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Shut down this thread please or move it on it has no necessary longer needed and the contents is abhorrent to read!
It’s completely irrelevant now and it’s been a soiled thread for too long
I can't understand why you haven't been given a Moderator role yet. Makes no sense.
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I think the Footy Collective should start a 'dirty protest'.
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Shut down this thread please or move it on it has no necessary longer needed and the contents is abhorrent to read!
It’s completely irrelevant now and it’s been a soiled thread for too long
Good camp that, best one ever potentially.
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Shut down this thread please or move it on it has no necessary longer needed and the contents is abhorrent to read!
It’s completely irrelevant now and it’s been a soiled thread for too long
Ooh..........soiled - poo, shit, crap, excrement and other variations of soiled await.